0-60 1/4 mile factory claim

hey everyone, looking for honda factory claims for 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. my 08 coupe 6speed transmission broke last saturday and honda denied my warranty claim because they say it was abused by taking it to the drag strip. i want to show that besides honda letting magazines take cars and thrash them on tracks that they also do it themselves so how can it be abuse when its ok for them to do it and then post those times. i found one british website that shows manufacturer claims for 0-60 but would like more if i can. any help would be appreciated.

It's the same thing with Mitsubishi and Subaru.....their commercials show the cars doing badass things rallying off road.

If something breaks while you do those things they will not cover your car under warranty.

hey everyone, looking for honda factory claims for 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. my 08 coupe 6speed transmission broke last saturday and honda denied my warranty claim because they say it was abused by taking it to the drag strip. i want to show that besides honda letting magazines take cars and thrash them on tracks that they also do it themselves so how can it be abuse when its ok for them to do it and then post those times. i found one british website that shows manufacturer claims for 0-60 but would like more if i can. any help would be appreciated.

may i ask what broke on it ?

Honda may have a way to do memory dump off ECU where it could store data, like max rpm or how many times engine hit rev limiter, etc.
I don't think Honda give performance times on its website for accords.

hey everyone, looking for honda factory claims for 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. my 08 coupe 6speed transmission broke last saturday and honda denied my warranty claim because they say it was abused by taking it to the drag strip. i want to show that besides honda letting magazines take cars and thrash them on tracks that they also do it themselves so how can it be abuse when its ok for them to do it and then post those times. i found one british website that shows manufacturer claims for 0-60 but would like more if i can. any help would be appreciated.

you're gonna loose that one...

if you don't want the liability, don't play the game.

In before total failure in arbitration

Wow!! You should push for honda to pay . Man it's a new car after all . Would this the first V6 M/T that has broken that we know in th forum ?

the description... TRANSMISSION HAS BROKEN is very very vague. who's to say what is wrong. I would like to hear the characteristics of the "BROKEN" claim.
I agree you can try to get them to fix it under a good will claim... but your gonna loose an arbitration claim.

hey everyone, looking for honda factory claims for 0-60 and 1/4 mile time. my 08 coupe 6speed transmission broke last saturday and honda denied my warranty claim because they say it was abused by taking it to the drag strip. i want to show that besides honda letting magazines take cars and thrash them on tracks that they also do it themselves so how can it be abuse when its ok for them to do it and then post those times. i found one british website that shows manufacturer claims for 0-60 but would like more if i can. any help would be appreciated.


The car was not built to go to the track.

You took it there.
You broke it.
You fix it.

To expect Honda to pay for your poor judgement, is absurd.

We have a poster at work sponsored by VW. It shows a Bug at the bottom of the pool with people in it, for a "Carpool" ad.
Would you expect VW to replace someone's car cause they tried it at home?

the description... TRANSMISSION HAS BROKEN is very very vague. who's to say what is wrong. I would like to hear the characteristics of the "BROKEN" claim...Precisely. I'd like to know what exactly "broke".

Wow!! You should push for honda to pay . Man it's a new car after all . Would this the first V6 M/T that has broken that we know in th forum ?
No, there been a few cases of over-rev V6 and valuetrain damage has happened.
V6 can't seem to handle as high rev limit as the Kxx series.

Edit: I mean miss shift into wrong gear type over-rev, not just hitting the limiter.

why do these guys start threads like this then disappear?

I am wondering how they found out you went to the track...if they have proof you were at the strip (video, you told them, etc.) I can see them denying your claim...but if they are going solely off of your computer read out then it is BS. They can claim all they want about your computer but there is nothing saying what is appropriate driving and what is not.....you can haul ass around all day without every technically "racing" anyone.....

There MUST be a proof you went to the track (either you told them or somehow they found out). Otherwise, there's no way they can prove you went to the track. Who's to say you weren't driving it aggressively? If they deny warranty solely based on aggressive driving, they should deny good portion of warranty claims. I know Nissan denies transmission warranty claim on their new Skyline (?) if they find out the launch control was used (which is another BS since they provide that functionality then expect people to not use it).

Anyhow, I don't think they can deny your warranty claim unless they specifically state somewhere that you cannot rev your engine to certain RPM repeatedly or such. Otherwise, they need to fix your transmission.

The car was not built to go to the track.

You took it there.
You broke it.
You fix it.

To expect Honda to pay for your poor judgement, is absurd.

We have a poster at work sponsored by VW. It shows a Bug at the bottom of the pool with people in it, for a "Carpool" ad.
Would you expect VW to replace someone's car cause they tried it at home?

Just because he took his car to the track doesn't mean he was racing a 500 lap race or anything. Testing a 1/4 mile or 0-60 isn't total abuse on the car.

What time did you run? Lol. How did Honda know you brought it to the track?

OP, i heard you got spanked by a Kia spectra at the track........










maybe that will bring him back......

OP,

You should start by reading your warranty info to see if it states anything about denying coverage for abuse. There was a commercial a while back in which Volvo ran one of their cars off a building to show how well they hold up. I doubt any Volvo owner won a lawsuit based on that commercial.

I guess I am screwed if my transmission goes out :banana:

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/18444-2009-Honda-Accord.jpg

sorry, i had to go to work. we work crazy hours. i will answer some of the questions that were posed, even tho they have nothing to do with MY original question and, i am afterall, the originator of the post. the shift interlock is what broke. the owners manual says the warranty is voided due to abuse, neglect, or being in a racing competition. i dont neglect my car, as evidence i will say i take my car to the dealer for every bit of service, except the brakes just this past time. i did not compete in a racing competition i was timing my vehicle to see how i compare to the magazines, which honda freely allows them to use new vehicles to show how said vehicle compares to the competition(i.e. altima and eclipse). as far as abusing the car i dont feel i drove it any manner than it was intended to be driven. as evidence, if you read hondas press releases and vehicle descriptions for the accord and the civic si they brag about the slick quick shifting 6speed transmission, the racecar llike high revving engine in the civic, the high performance dual stage lightweight magnesium intake manifold for the accord. they also offer HFP parts for both cars, which, to me, implies its ok to explore the performance envelope of the vehicles. the last question i can the of to respond to is i think i only ran like a mid 14 when the trans broke. i have run 13.6 with the stock tires but now have higher performance tires but am still trying to figure out the right launch rpm. i can consistantly run 13.9-14.1 right now with the car bogging on the launch. btw the 13.6 was bone stock except for using super unleaded. i have the injen cai.now.

ok sorry i missed a couple ?'s. they claim to have a video of me running the track but it doesnt show me or my license plate but it does show the military sticker on my windshield. the other lane was a z28 with some work done to it, btw he was also checking his 1/4 mile time :-)

sorry, i had to go to work. we work crazy hours. i will answer some of the questions that were posed, even tho they have nothing to do with MY original question and, i am afterall, the originator of the post. the shift interlock is what broke. the owners manual says the warranty is voided due to abuse, neglect, or being in a racing competition. i dont neglect my car, as evidence i will say i take my car to the dealer for every bit of service, except the brakes just this past time. i did not compete in a racing competition i was timing my vehicle to see how i compare to the magazines, which honda freely allows them to use new vehicles to show how said vehicle compares to the competition(i.e. altima and eclipse). as far as abusing the car i dont feel i drove it any manner than it was intended to be driven. as evidence, if you read hondas press releases and vehicle descriptions for the accord and the civic si they brag about the slick quick shifting 6speed transmission, the racecar llike high revving engine in the civic, the high performance dual stage lightweight magnesium intake manifold for the accord. they also offer HFP parts for both cars, which, to me, implies its ok to explore the performance envelope of the vehicles. the last question i can the of to respond to is i think i only ran like a mid 14 when the trans broke. i have run 13.6 with the stock tires but now have higher performance tires but am still trying to figure out the right launch rpm. i can consistantly run 13.9-14.1 right now with the car bogging on the launch. btw the 13.6 was bone stock except for using super unleaded. i have the injen cai.now.

What RPMs were you launching at?

good job on your 1/4 mile times, they are great. BTW some of posters are always on side of Honda if something is broken.

Here's one 1/4 mile from magazine, at 14.5sec :
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3317/accordrz5.jpg

13.6... with an atuo? come now, not trying to pull a fast one are you?

:confused::scratch:

but am still trying to figure out the right launch rpm.


This statement is full of fail right here... lulz, sorry for your loss but if you slam a auto into gear at anything beside idle you are looking for trouble...

who said it's an at.... it's a v6-6...

ah... I re read that, sorry. Misunderstanding

OP great times, sorry you broke something though, sux about the video too

OP, I would tell the dealer or AH that you accept them not fixing the part. then, say your g/f or dad or whoever is the editor at some import or tuning magazine, and say that they are very interested in publishing your story about how all Honda's are anything but sporty and performance oriented and if you do drive your car in any sporty manner, Honda will dump you like a diseased pig. What a laughing stock Honda is becoming. so sad.

I am still a little confused... Shift interlock?

I can not get my brain to recognize what a shift interlock is... make no sense

I am still a little confused... Shift interlock?

I can not get my brain to recognize what a shift interlock is... make no sense
Yes, i had same question. looks like there is a locking device on the one shifter lever.


https://www.hondapartsdeals.com/hpa_parts_list.php?vin=&Label[ProductID]=ACCORD&Label[YearID]=2008&Label[DoorID]=2&Label[GradeID]=EXL-V6&Label[AreaID]=KA&Label[TransmissionID]=6MT&Label[SectionID]=TRANSMISSION+-+MANUAL&Label[IllustrationGroupID]=MT+SHIFT+LEVER+(V6)&ProductID=5&YearID=39&DoorID=1&GradeID=633&AreaID=2&TransmissionID=8&SectionID=2&IllustrationGroupID=16638

and interlock (#8)

https://www.hondapartsdeals.com/hpa_parts_list.php?vin=&Label[ProductID]=ACCORD&Label[YearID]=2008&Label[DoorID]=2&Label[GradeID]=EXL-V6&Label[AreaID]=KA&Label[TransmissionID]=6MT&Label[SectionID]=TRANSMISSION+-+MANUAL&Label[IllustrationGroupID]=MT+SHIFT+FORK+(V6)&ProductID=5&YearID=39&DoorID=1&GradeID=633&AreaID=2&TransmissionID=8&SectionID=2&IllustrationGroupID=16639

IC... from those parts mentions it looks to be fairly minor and more than likely a result from a zealous shifting driver. the internals don't look to be involved at all

the shift interlock is what moves the shift forks from gear to gear. i have owned 9 hondas in my life all of them manual and only two new ones(this 08 and an 06 four door 5sp) also an escort, geo metro, eclipses and have driven them all the same way and have never had any problem with the trans.... except the eclipses but anyone who knows anything about 1st gen eclipses knows the trans are crap. with the stock tires i was launching at 1800 with the TC off. but with these michelin pilot sport tires they either bog or spin like crazy. the trans didnt break on the launch i have been having trouble with it since about 15000 and have it documented but it didnt matter.

you've own 9 manual hondas and have never experienced the infamous 2/3 gear grind?

In essence the transmission didn't break... part of the actuation broke. Your original post made it sound like internals were involved.

yes the parts themselves were only 185 but the R&R was going to be 1000 but the originally told 850ish for the whole thing so the service manager modified the ticket to 870. i do drive it hard but i dont feel i abuse it.

I am in the same boat... I drive mine hard to.
but as with most all performance driving I do, I really don't do hard launches... my driving has more to do with cornering.
Hard launches are notorious for taxing your driveline... as I am sure you know

no never had that but they were older hondas... 84-91. oh yeah, and i was told by the district manager that the 3-4 shift issue was from people shifting too SLOW. lol, the service manager told me that the DM told him that he told me that and the service manager couldnt believe he told me that. i said i couldnt believe it either but i wrote it down in my notebook for future evidence :-)

don't tell me no one here hasn't slammed the gas on their car.
on my eclipse i go all out, just cuz that person did it at the track on at the street.
he could of done same thing on a green light. would honda pay for it? he just chose a safer place to test his car

the trans did not break from the launch it broke shifting from 3rd to 4th

sorry MSchu i didnt read the rest of one of the posts... it was the part that actually moves the shift forks back and forth to engage each gear, its a smallish tab that sits in a slot. i have the diagram here but not digital.

I don't think I've ever seen Honda publish any performance numbers for the Accord... they let the magazines do that. I know I've seen numbers published by Nissan before for some of their cars, but I don't recall any from Honda.

Good luck with trying to get Honda to cover it. You could try to fight them over their video proof, but it's just going to be a long drawn out process. In the end, you'll likely have to take them to court (or at least get a lawyer) to try to get them to cover it, but I doubt you'll have any more luck there... not to mention the costs involved.

As it's stated in their warranty, it is void regarding abuse. You may not consider it abuse, but drag racing is not considered "normal use". Yes, this could have happened while driving it on the street, but it didn't, and they supposedly have the proof.

Just because Honda advertises their vehicles as being sporty and performance-oriented doesn't mean that they have to warranty your vehicle when used at the track.

Edit: I mean miss shift into wrong gear type over-rev, not just hitting the limiter.

Sorry to say, but you're screwed. The dealers have a M.U.T.T. that they hook up to the CEU and trace air/fuel ratios. They can prove that you abused the car. Warranties cover defective parts under normal driving conditions. The damages from a mis-shift at high RPM's are no way close to defective from normal driving. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times advertised on dealer websites are there to entice people to buy the car and compare more of its features to other vehicles.

Your car will never be the same, even after they fix it. I recommend you fix the car and get rid of it. It will nickel and dime you to death.

it actually shifts better now than it did before, its much more direct now. if my girlfriend didnt have the same car i might not have thought anything about it but she does have the same car and i noticed my shifter didnt have the same feel as hers it also would not go into first sometimes and would grind into second whereas her s didnt do this.

Sorry to say, but you're screwed. The dealers have a M.U.T.T. that they hook up to the CEU and trace air/fuel ratios. They can prove that you abused the car. Warranties cover defective parts under normal driving conditions. The damages from a mis-shift at high RPM's are no way close to defective from normal driving. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times advertised on dealer websites are there to entice people to buy the car and compare more of its features to other vehicles.

Your car will never be the same, even after they fix it. I recommend you fix the car and get rid of it. It will nickel and dime you to death.

OP, didn't post that comment, I did.
I was replying to another poster didn't know what broke on his car and I was just giving examples of things that could break, get damaged.

I ran into similar issue on a semi-new supra turbo, what happened the tapered pins that hold the forks fell out.

wasn't bad to fix, just tail housing needed removing but that was rear wheel drive, not FWD car.

I would read over the warranty details to be sure you have or haven't voided the warranty. If it's worded in your favor, and if indeed you weren't competing in a race, you might have a chance.

I had the same conversation with my insurance company and my Chrysler dealership about taking my Jeep off-road. I made sure my ass was covered before heading out into the bush.

It's standard practice for all manufacturers - if you track the car you void the warranty. Racing/track time is rough on cars and most cars aren' engineered to spend time on the track and reliably take us to and from work every day with no problems.

i see your point but the owners manual doesnt say you cant time it it says you cant race it or abuse it. i dont see being at the track as abuse, i also drive it the same on the street. i have a fun car and i want to enjoy it. and i feel the part broke because it was defective

i see your point but the owners manual doesnt say you cant time it it says you cant race it or abuse it. i dont see being at the track as abuse, i also drive it the same on the street. i have a fun car and i want to enjoy it. and i feel the part broke because it was defective

im sorry dude, but you're trying to say you're timing it? seriously? you're RACING the clock. Im not trying to be an ass but c'mon you can't really think that multiple trips to the drag strip is not to be considered racing.