Someone took a couple spy shots on what appears to be the Honda Crosstour.

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It looks like a hatchback version of the 8G Accord. The side character line is very prominent. Everything forward of the C-pillar looks very much like the USDM Accord, while the rear hatch and bumper remind me of a mix between the Accord Coupe and Honda Insight.

So it looks like a 5-door Accord! I'm pretty excited about this vehicle. :banana:

crx type accord?

This is an Acura. Looks like a crossover.

it has to be the ugliest car i've ever seen.

i dont know why they keep on making ugly cars nowadays...

haha ; i think that was a little too harsh . because it deff looks better than alot of cars these days .. but than again that's your opinion . :thmsup:

it has to be the ugliest car i've ever seen.

And Honda makes (again) the same mistake it did with the 8th gen Accord sedan of making a cheap copy of the BMW 5 series.Right, a mistake that's one of the best selling vehicles in America last year & the best selling vehicle a month or so ago... :rolleyes:

Not to mention the numerous awards, accolades, and recoginition it has received.

You & everyone else here w/ the same closed-minded myopic thinking need to get this through their thick-heads: the Accord is a ~$17.5k platform (mid-size FWD) w/ the build-quality/fit-&-finish, refinement/sophistication, performance/handling, and so on of a ~$17.5k vehicle regardless if it sells for $20k or $30k. In essence, it's a ~$17.5k vehicle & trim-levels/equipment/etc' don't change it's inherent/fundamental traits & hallmarks.

And I'm damn content w/ what I have because I know & accept what I have. I don't make it out to be what it isn't, nor do I have unrealistic expectations (which ultimately lead to disappointment). . .

Funny isn't it that none of the 8th gen' owners harangue nor diss' the 7th gen' Accords, yet it isn't such the case other way around! It gets rather old, real quick if I may add. . .



On-topic...

I assume this USDM Accord-based CUV (perhaps shared platform w/ the Acura ZDX) will be a Toyota Venza competitor?

This is an Acura. Looks like a crossover.

It has to be a Honda...there is no sign of the Power Plenum...:banana:

your trollWTF does that even mean?

You post a ridiculously inane, unsubstantiated, unfounded comment which is deftly countered by me & you have the audacity to call me a troll? Perhaps something is lost in translation, Splanglish (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371246/), or whatever else. . .

In reprise: you said Honda made a mistake w/ their current 8th gen' Accord sedan design, seemingly emulating the BMW 5-series ("a cheap copy" in your words). How is this a mistake when it's received esteemed award after award, won numerous head-to-head comparisons, State'side it's THE top-seller in it's segment (in terms of private/non-fleet sales), and it's Inspire version is one of the most sought-after models in it's respective markets.

Tell me, I'm waiting. Don't just throw b.s. like you did before w/o backing it or following-up w/o something of merit or substance.

Yea, talk about a mistake. Sheesh, damn- what was Honda thinking? Good grief. . .

There's a difference in expressing a subjective/personal opinion ("I am not keen towards a certain model because...") vs. passing off exaggerations & baseless assertions due to a personal bias or preconceived notions ("mistake/cheap-copy").

I'll say it because I damn well can.........how could they have made that car any uglier???? Osiris get off the podium, it's just people making comments and opinions. You are turning it into insults which is not cool and also not permitted here.

Osiris: gaviota simply stated his opinion, we all have them... if you or any one else does not agree with it is fine but to resort to personal attacks is not....

Let's keep it civil!

Things were going fine except for the below which is quite offensive



You & everyone else here w/ the same closed-minded myopic thinking need to get this through their thick-heads:




Perhaps something is lost in translation, Splanglish (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371246/), or whatever else. . .

It's just a car... no one insulted you or your beliefs.... When someone voices their negative opinions on my car I simply say "well, that's why you were allowed to buy something else"...

Fugly!!!! :thumbsdow

So it looks like it could be one of three things:
1. A prototype ZDX that has been hobbled together with Accord siding
2. The Accord-based Venza competitor (more wagonesque) that was posted a while back
3. A Honda version of number one.

I'll reserve judgement until that is cleared up.

Ugly indeed :thumbsdow

And Honda makes (again) the same mistake it did with the 8th gen Accord sedan of making a cheap copy of the BMW 5 series.

Good point. It's pretty hard to argue that Honda wasn't "inspired" by BMW's radical design with the 5-Series and the 6-Series when they went out to create the 8th generation Accord. Not sure how being a volume seller in N. America and being a "highly praised car" means they couldn't have possibly emulated design language from someone else, let alone a vehicle which costs two to three times as much. In fact, there are numerous articles from repsected sources that comment on BMWs transformative "Bangle" influence that started in 2002. Competitors shamlessly copied the design language, even as it was stoned by the world press and BMW enthusiasts alike. It became an influence in desgin circles worldwide, at every manufacture. It's preposterous to insinuate that Honda is undeniably "above all this" simply because they are Honda. It only takes one with eyes to notice the obvious influences. This isn't a bad thing for the Accord coupe, but in my opinion it was for the Sedan, which has glaring design pitfalls. This has nothing to do with 7th gen v. 8th gen, neither are that great looking, but the 8th generation is clearly influenced by the latest bizarro Honda styling direction (Pilot USB grille, Acura TL clown shield, etc.).

So it looks like it could be one of three things:
1. A prototype ZDX that has been hobbled together with Accord siding
2. The Accord-based Venza competitor (more wagonesque) that was posted a while back
3. A Honda version of number one.

I'll reserve judgement until that is cleared up.

1. nope. the ZDX goes on sale this fall, so it should be production ready by now if not already on the assembly lines.
2. yep, most likely.
3. sort of, but not really. not based on ZDX platform, but still a crossover wagon/hatch/SUV type thing.

Yeah, the ZDX is riding on the MDX chassis and will be built in the same plant (IIRC).

Osiris: gaviota simply stated his opinion, we all have them... if you or any one else does not agree with it is fine but to resort to personal attacks is not....

Let's keep it civil!

Things were going fine except for the below which is quite offensive






It's just a car... no one insulted you or your beliefs.... When someone voices their negative opinions on my car I simply say "well, that's why you were allowed to buy something else"...

osiris is right, 7th gen owners look at all you coming to the attack. Just like everyone is entitled to their opinion: I think the 7th gen Accord was the ugliest import ever: it was a sleeper. No one cared about its design. It was basically a camry-looking sedan. The new one may be ugly to some (I think a BMW 5-series copy is a complement) but many here like it. It seems a trend for 7th gen owners not to like it and to bash bash bash.

Fugly!!!! :thumbsdow

Can I say ignorance? You can't even see the design since its covered by camo and yet u say its ugly? I'll reserve my judgment till I see it in person but I hope you looked at your car this morning.

osiris is right, 7th gen owners look at all you coming to the attack. Just like everyone is entitled to their opinion: I think the 7th gen Accord was the ugliest import ever: it was a sleeper. No one cared about its design. It was basically a camry-looking sedan. The new one may be ugly to some (I think a BMW 5-series copy is a complement) but many here like it. It seems a trend for 7th gen owners not to like it and to bash bash bash.

Not in one spot did I say that anyone was right or wrong about their position.. simply that the way one chooses to word their positions needs to be done respectfully.

Bash you say??? How is it when someone says they think the 8th gen is ugly it is bashing you and other 8th gen owners??? I swear, people are so sensitive these days...lol. I don't like gold jewelry, if I say I think gold jewelry is not attractive does that mean I am bashing people that are wearing it???

I just don't get it when there are hurt feelings when someone says they don't like the design of the car YOU decided to by... Unless of course YOU designed it!

Can I say ignorance? You can't even see the design since its covered by camo and yet u say its ugly? I'll reserve my judgment till I see it in person but I hope you looked at your car this morning.

So because someone doesn't like what they can see of the design they are now ignorant??? GEEZ!!!

You are treading close to a personal attack.....

osiris is right, 7th gen owners look at all you coming to the attack. Just like everyone is entitled to their opinion: I think the 7th gen Accord was the ugliest import ever: it was a sleeper. No one cared about its design. It was basically a camry-looking sedan. The new one may be ugly to some (I think a BMW 5-series copy is a complement) but many here like it. It seems a trend for 7th gen owners not to like it and to bash bash bash.

If you want to try and discredit the endless comments from the world press on the bizarre looks and styling of the eight generation Accord by writing it all off as fringe rumblings from owners of the previous car, you are going to need serious help. Trying to justify your rhetoric with justifications such as "it seems" isn't helping your case.

If you want to try and discredit the endless comments from the world press on the bizarre looks and styling of the eight generation Accord by writing it all off as fringe rumblings from owners of the previous car, you are going to need serious help. Trying to justify your rhetoric with justifications such as "it seems" isn't helping your case.

As a 7th gen owner, I think the 8th gens are a styling mess. However, most 8th gen owners think 7th gen was ugly, so? :lmao::lmao:

Copycatting is commonplace. Come on, the Hyundai Sonata before 2009 looked like a 7th gen Honda. The new Genesis has both BMW and Mercedes lines in it. The 8th gen Accord looks like a BMW, and on and on.

The 2005-2009 Camrys are quite ugly, they make Hondas look stylish by comparison........:paranoid:

At least the Kia SOUL has a "fresh look"........:lmao::lmao:

i dunno... i think it looks ugly.

Ugly indeed :thumbsdow

And Honda makes (again) the same mistake it did with the 8th gen Accord sedan of making a cheap copy of the BMW 5 series.


Man the five serious is hideous. Thank Gd for Honda's "mistake".

leftlanenews has new photos of the Crosstour. There's a lot less camo than before, and in some of the photos, it looks like the test drivers are even showing off parts of the car to the photographer :lmao:

What's up with that? Isn't Honda trying to keep the spy shot folks away? :paranoid:

My comments:

The sheet metal and overhangs definitely makes this car look like a part of the Accord family. I don't think this car is related to the higher-sitting ZDX. This means double wishbones in front, and multi-link in the rear:)

The hatchback is 1-piece. There was speculation at VTEC.net that there would be a 2-piece tailgate with one part folding down like a pickup truck.

The open engine compartment shows a 3.5 liter V6 with VCM.

I think this car looks great, especially in Polished Metal. It'll likely have the handling, ride, and fuel economy of a car, while providing 90% of the utility of an SUV (extra cargo space, optional 4WD). If I needed to haul around 2 kids and their added stuff on trips, I'd definitely consider this.

To All:

Five-door Honda/Acura "crossover" thingy? Cool, very cool. Just that (IMO) Acura needs to reintroduce one/several two-door models back into their product lineup. The 2003 Acura RSX "Type S" is "hot testosterone" on wheels. And gimme a new "Killer" NSX!!! :thmsup: :yes:

While some of you characterize its appearance as lowly plagiarism and/or outright ugly, at least its styling is NOT that of a hideous Pontiac "Aztek" or some Godforsaken Chrysler product. The boys and girls in "Detroit" (and elsewhere, for that matter) could sure use some styling lessons from Raymond Loewy, Billy Mitchell, The House of Pininfarina, Frank Lloyd Wright, Henri Louis Sullivan, and Mies Van Der Roehe, for openers. I'll kick in Leonardo Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Pablo Picasso, and (even) Peter Max, for inspiration. Your local public/university library should furnish you with plenty of fresh ideas!

ALL of the styling studios (American, Asian, and European) have rather much boxed themselves into an "impasse" situation, now choosing one of two extremes. On the one hand, they go the "Retro" route, turning out the (now discontinued) Chevy SSR and the new Mustang (which I actually like). Conversely, they go the Buck Rogers-Star Trek path, with "weird-oh," futuristic styling only Isaac Asimov, Carl Sagan and Martians/Venusians could ever appreciate. One of the principal reasons GM made the old (now discontinued) RWD Chevy Caprice Classic look like "Charlie the Tuna" was to make it stand out against the rest of the pack. And its ultra-weirdness (along with gargantuan proportions) sealed its fate.

Most people, they LIKE and BUY vehicles that look like themselves, when they gaze into their mirror. They don't want to see a Medusa or Mephistopholes. They want to see an Athena or Adonis. :yes:

Myself? I actually prefer the rather innocuous, even BORING, styling of my cars. (BORING is good!) As I move down the road, Honda's "simple elegance" styling ideology, on MY respective-Gen Accords, draws almost NO attention to myself! I don't need to "see"...or be "seen." As the famous baseball player, Mr. Reggie Jackson, famously said, "The ONLY person I have to impress is MYSELF!" :D

This sure looks more like an Accord to me than a BMW.

WTF does that even mean?

You post a ridiculously inane, unsubstantiated, unfounded comment which is deftly countered by me & you have the audacity to call me a troll? Perhaps something is lost in translation, Splanglish (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371246/), or whatever else. . .

In reprise: you said Honda made a mistake w/ their current 8th gen' Accord sedan design, seemingly emulating the BMW 5-series ("a cheap copy" in your words). How is this a mistake when it's received esteemed award after award, won numerous head-to-head comparisons, State'side it's THE top-seller in it's segment (in terms of private/non-fleet sales), and it's Inspire version is one of the most sought-after models in it's respective markets.

Tell me, I'm waiting. Don't just throw b.s. like you did before w/o backing it or following-up w/o something of merit or substance.

Yea, talk about a mistake. Sheesh, damn- what was Honda thinking? Good grief. . .

There's a difference in expressing a subjective/personal opinion ("I am not keen towards a certain model because...") vs. passing off exaggerations & baseless assertions due to a personal bias or preconceived notions ("mistake/cheap-copy").

<~~~~ speaks spanglish and I didnt know wtf he was trying say!

2010 MY you will see it on the road by OCT

there are some more updated pics out there now... thing looks pretty nice to me... if i had some kids and didn't wanna do the whole SUV thing, I'd DEFINITLY consider it.

So long as its an inspiring drive, read: not like the rediculious bore of the Toyota Venza, I think it will sell damn well.

some pics of it closer to production:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/starbai1985/08%20accord/cross%20tour/09876543.jpg
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VCM?!?!?! NO!!!!!!!!

If it has a 6-6 and AWD, I'll consider one...

Interior looks identical to the coupe.

Exterior looks like a sedan with the coupe rear and a Hatchback.

:dunno:

I'll keep my coupe. :thumbsup:

I'd also consider it if I needed a family 4 dr. Nice!

I wouldn't hold my breath on a 6-6

I wouldn't hold my breath on a 6-6I'm not, because I'd pass out :D

I'm just dreaming...

lol I was dreaming for the 6-6 in the sedan.

went for the coupe anyway

but still decided against the stick as its my DD and I have two other toys (prelude and s2000)

i guess my point is we all dream for these things from honda but ultimately I wonder how well it will ACTUALLY sell if they came out with it? (6-6 crosstour)

I'm not expect a 6MT, based on reports at Vtec.net that have a somewhat high credibility rating.

My guess is that the Crosstour will have a 6AT of the type in the upcoming Acura ZDX. Paddle shifters too.

i don't know what is all the fuss about, this gotta be one of the ugliest car any auto maker have ever made.

I don't understand why everyone is saying "it has to be one of the ugliest cars that has been made". I can think of plenty others that are on the top of the list, including the much hated Aztek...

I like it, but they should have AWD as an option like the Venza imo. :)

I like it, but they should have AWD as an option like the Venza imo. :)I'm *thinking* that Honda would assume such an offering would poach into Pilot sales.

However, I agree w/ others here that a variant of the SH-AWD & 6-spd. M.T. should be offered. This Accord-based station-wagon, in essence, will be a niche` market vehicle (in terms of higher MSRP & lower volume, relative to it's sedan/coupe platform-mates). Those in the market for such vehicles (ie. midsize sedan-based wagons) pay a premium for performance/handling & technology.

Majority of late-model sport-wagon owners are automobile-enthusiasts & spirited drivers, quite a departure from the past when most station-wagon owners were less driven by performance/handling (and since then, similar-minded masses have moved onto S.U.V.'s & minivans for space/utility/value/safety). . .

Case-&-point: locally, my good friend (owns a brand-new fully-loaded CRV for daily-driving/family, a modded NSX for fun). His wife's daily-driver (MX-5) got written-off due to the hail-storm in the spring, so she assumed CRV usage. Since then, he was looking for something fun & comfortable, but still practical for the family/daily-driving. He just acquired an Audi A4 Avant. If Honda had something similar in their showroom floor (ie. sport-wagon), I'm sure he'd be in it right now. . .

i don't know what is all the fuss about, this gotta be one of the ugliest car any auto maker have ever made.

I don't understand why everyone is saying "it has to be one of the ugliest cars that has been made". I can think of plenty others that are on the top of the list, including the much hated Aztek...

Not to mention you dont even know what it actually looks like yet.


sometimes the best parts of the look are in the details--- which are hidden here.

but they should have AWD as an option like the Venza imo. :) awd is a yes........:naughty:

I think AWD may be a reality. i just would be very surprised if it wasn't. maybe the system from the pilot or CRV

FWIW I have seen the drive shaft myself, and that is all I will say..........

if its AWD, I can't wait to see who gets crazy enough to try to swap compoents into the coupe to turn the coupe into AWD or RWD. would be pretty freakin interesting i must say.

if its AWD, I can't wait to see who gets crazy enough to try to swap compoents into the coupe to turn the coupe into AWD or RWD. would be pretty freakin interesting i must say.That not only would involve major swapping/customization, but also fabrication of the frame/chassis (ie. cutting) of major cross-members/components/systems.

The current 2nd gen' TSX & current 4th gen' TL came w/ a rear-cradle & angled cross-members to accommodate a potential rear gearbox/transfer-case, grooved gas-tank, and actual space for a drive-shaft. Insiders at dealerships saw such spacing/room & intentional positioning, which led to public leaks about SH-AWD being available in the future for the TSX & TL. I've posted pics before of the undercarriage of the '09+ TSX & TL on this forum, fwd'd to my by a friend at an Acura dealership out 'west.

Sadly (for some), the 8th gen' Accord platform doesn't have such designed/engineered details, meaning no ability to accommodate an AWD/RWD drive-train & thus such will not be offered during the production-run of the 8th gen' Accord platform.

Big difference between hacking/cutting/fabricating & swapping/installing/modifying. . .

So your saying the cross tour won't have awd, or the swap wouldn't be possible? Im am confused.

I think he's saying the coupe and sedan dont have the ability to be modifed to be rwd or awd without major work while the TL and TSX currently do.

The cross tour, I dont anyone but a select few know whether or not AWD is possible beacse we havne't publically seen what the undercarrage of it looks like yet and what it can accomodate and canot acomodate. If honda simply threw a wagon body on the sedan chasis then i guess no.

But I have a real good feeling ;-) ;-) that thats not the case with the cross tour.

edit:

On another note i think in our lifetimes we will see an AWD or RWD 8th gen coupe. yes it will take massivce amounts of work, but all it will take is some tuner house to either take a serious interest in it, OR prices to go down on these enough to make it worth it for someone to buy it and put the wrench time in. When hondas get older, people start doing crazy cool stuff. The entire time I had my CL I waited for parts looked for parts etc... only recently do you see people modifying them now that they're relatively cheap as hell on the used car market.

So your saying the cross tour won't have awd, or the swap wouldn't be possible? Im am confused.I have no idea about whether or not the forthcoming "Cross Tour" will be AWD (everyone's guess here is as good as mine!).

I was more-so stating (in response to starbai) that any AWD -or- RWD retrofit/swap on an 8th gen' Accord platform would be far from plug-&-play or even close to feasible w/o hacking-cutting-fabricating a lot of structural components, even though the TSX/TL share a lot of architecture w/ the Accord coupe/sedan & that the Acura offerings have accommodations already designed for future drive-train updates/changes (unlike the 8th gen' Accord sedan/coupe platform).

Here's a post (http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showpost.php?p=279514&postcount=176) I made in regards to such (w/ pics & explanation by a friend who works for an Acura dealership out 'west).

edit:

On another note i think in our lifetimes we will see an AWD or RWD 8th gen coupe. yes it will take massive amounts of work, but all it will take is some tuner house to either take a serious interest in it, OR prices to go down on these enough to make it worth it for someone to buy it and put the wrench time in. When hondas get older, people start doing crazy cool stuff. The entire time I had my CL I waited for parts looked for parts etc... only recently do you see people modifying them now that they're relatively cheap as hell on the used car market.
I agree that this will happen as well, but only in two scenarios (just as you alluded to)...

- some tuning-house like Spoon, HKS, CT-Engineering, Mugen, etc' takes the initiative or a 'state-side race-shop/team does it for various series/leagues (ie. Time Attack, Spec, Club Racing, etc')

- 8th gen' Accord bottoms out in terms of residual-value/depreciation, making it all the more attractive/cost-effective to do such a radical & custom alteration


Even now, Ridgeline motors are being dumped into '90s Civics, NSX motors being fitted into 2nd gen' Legend coupes, etc'. Anything is virtually possible, given the time & resources AND inclination. . .

So your saying the cross tour won't have awd, or the swap wouldn't be possible? Im am confused.

Crosstour is available in FWD/AWD.....its been long confirmed on vtec.net It will have the Pilot's VTM-4.

lol yeah I know, I have drove one. It was more of clarification question.

Hey guys, here is what was just announced today. I did a search of the forums and this has yet to be posted yet. Is this going to replace both the coupe and sedan models that we know and love?

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/07/honda-accord-crosstour-officially-confirmed-for-fall-2009-as-201/

That rear end is hideous, i hope not

i doubt it will replace anything, mostly likely just be sedan, coupe, and crosstour

Old news buddy.......It is a add on to the accord line, it doesn't replace anything. Acura has one too, ZDX.

Looks like a wannabe hatchback

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151&highlight=crosstour

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151&highlight=crosstour

Oops my bad. Should have done a more extensive search I suppose, haha.

Ew.

Terrible.

With the price of gas, I would take a crosstour over a SUV any day if I needed the room.

I just don't see that much more benefit over a sedan in utility for my needs. It might come in handy every now and then for bringing an ironing board home but...

Toyota Venza, Honda Crosstour, ...all the beginnings of the return of the wagon in the latest wrappers. Then, they'll get bigger for next run until we go with the large wagons again while the SUV is further pushed back.

I don't dislike this...it would be a good idea to use it to intro AWD on the US spec Accord platform.

It's brand new!!...All over again...

Yuk

I don't dislike this...it would be a good idea to use it to intro AWD on the US spec Accord platform.


I hope to have my coupe on a lift this weekend to black it out and compare the undercarriages this weekend. That is all I will say on that, so don't ask. TOV already confirmed AWD as an option.

Looks funky to me, this is my first time hearing about this car.

I"m sure it will sell well....

its really ugly

That what you get when the designers mix Acid & Meth........after a two week drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT is the ugliest car!!! it looks worse than that cube thing. Great another price increase on parts and labor....to help make up for that hunk of junk no one will ever buy

It's Hondas' quick answer to the toyota Vensa.

Oh no!

At least The Cube has some practicality about it. This looks similar to that horrid Pontiac that crashed & burned......can't think of the name to save my life. Ah, the Aztec!

What's up with Honda's/Acura's design direction?

At least The Cube has some practicality about it. This looks similar to that horrid Pontiac that crashed & burned......can't think of the name to save my life. Ah, the Aztec!

:yes::yes:.....

CRASH BUT NO BURN


I1:lmao:

Honda's website is having a countdown as to when more information will be available. 55 days from now though.

http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/

Dunno if anyone else saw this, but autotrader now has the Accord CrossTour in their automotive search database as a search option.

Hmmmm

What's up with Honda's/Acura's design direction?

It Sucks!

:thumbsdow

Why can't Honda import this into the USA?

http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/accordtourer/

ZDX......They will!

Uh, the Crosstour looks nothing like the Aztek.

A little bird whispered to me that we have a new source for upgraded brakes 18" wheels and a 17mm RSB for the coupes/sedans...........guess where it will come from?!

^^ very interesting :thmsup:

To each his own but... I think the 8th Gen sedan looks ugly as it is. That's 8th Gen sedan ugly plus infinity. :thumbsdow Hands down, the Toyota Venza looks way better! :yes:

To each his own but... I think the 8th Gen sedan looks ugly as it is. That's 8th Gen sedan ugly plus infinity. :thumbsdow Hands down, the Toyota Venza looks way better! :yes:

Wait till you see the production car. It has a design that differs from the sedan, in a good way.:thumbsup:

the Toyota Venza looks way better!

I don't think the car buying public agrees.

I looked for Venza sales figures, but Toyota's most recent press release did not say how many they sold. I googled for sales figures and did not find much, though a few people claim the monthly totals have been in the 1100 units/month or so. Compare that to roughly 15000 RAV4's and 9400 Highlanders in July, and it is clear that the marketplace has not received the Venza very well.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota-reports-july-sales-97581.aspx

Watch what you say about the Aztek - I owned one of those for 3 years. Decent car - but did trade it on the Accord. It did have 18" wheels, though. :banana:

andy

Watch what you say about the Aztek - I owned one of those for 3 years. Decent car - but did trade it on the Accord. It did have 18" wheels, though. :banana:

andy

I know a guy that has over 200K miles on his Astek. It's ugly at a level that can't be explained. But it has never failed him. If it was mine I would have been dead on the road a dozen times. lololololololol.

The problem with the Accord wagon is it cost from what I've seen away to much! It seems to be so over priced it's not funny. Just like the CR-Z. The industry guess's I bet will pan out over all.

Honda better wake up! They are turning into the Asian GM and they don't seem to have the quality anymore to back it up.

Asian GM? That would be Toyota. Lousy interiors? Toyota. Confusing product line over weighted with SUVs and Trucks? Toyota. #1 in Global Sales? Toyota.

:D

I don't think it's so hideous, but then I'm one of those 7th gen owners who hasn't been impressed by the 8th gen at all (the coupe is okay, but I just think they went button-crazy with the interior, I like the cleaner lines of the 7th gen dash). Overall this car kind of reminds me of the Renault 21 liftback, basically a midsized/fullsized five-door hatchback.

I wouldn't expect a manual option - Toyota doesn't seem to be offering one for the Venza, and Honda seems to be trying to copycat that design as much as they can.

Will it sell? Probably. I'm sure there's a market for people who need hauling capacity beyond a sedan, don't want the cost of an SUV, but don't want the stodginess of a minivan. Those people will consider the Venza and this tour to be a god-send.

It is sad that so many carmakers seem intent on copying BMW's design direction. I used to love Bimmers, thought they were the most gorgeous cars on the road, especially the last generation M5. The new cars ... the 7-series is still attractive, but I prefer stick and you can't get one in that car. The 6-series has nice lines, but you can't get it without iDrive, and I've never met any BMW owner or read any review of a BMW with iDrive that doesn't complain about how horrible that system is (and yet, for some odd reason, that's something else BMW came up with the everyone hates, but all the other carmakers insist on copycatting).

It is a sad state of affairs that BMW is a car company setting the mark for every other car company. Granted, mechanically they are still awesome cars, but aesthetically, they've gotten ugly, very very ugly.

The good news, at least for me, is that I expect to be driving my 7th gen Accord for a long time to come. Hopefully until this design trend is over, and the car companies are cranking out cars I actually like again in time for me to be ready to own one.

my thing is honda is going the way toyota did... starting to build the same boring mainstreem shit that toyota puts out... the 'japanese buick'

they're killing all of thier performance cars... i mean the only two door offerings they have for the entire brand now is the Civic and Accord

Which are on par iwth the Solara and the Scion TC....

The NSX gone, The RSX gone, The Prelude gone, the CL gone, the s2000 gone.... but we keep getting dumb crossover suv things like the RDX, new ZDX, and now this wagon thinggy.

Yea I'm sure that theres a market for them, but where is honda's edge as the sportier Japanese brand???

Nissan is running away with the 370z, G37, Altima coupe, etc.... but they can't compete in terms of long term resale value so honda sitll has an edge.

If that CRZ comes out with decent performance with the hybrid platform, or at least modifable performance beacuse I dont know how much tuners will be able to do with a hybrid chasis, its gonna sell sure, but does nothing for honda's enthusiast background....

I wish it was coming out with a normal gasoline motor option... 200hp K24? 6spd, LSD???? YES PLEASE!!!

I'm glad to see a hatchback sort of car from Honda again (at least one likely to be more refined than the sad new Insight), but, as usual, it's not likely to be the car I've always wanted, which is:


Mid-size, Hatchback design
4-door
Manual transmission
4-cylinder engine (and a diesel would be even better)
Shiftable AWD (meaning you can drive most of the time in front wheel drive, then shift to AWD when you need it-- Such as the Suzuki SX4 can)
Capable of being fully optioned out (navigation, leather, sunroof, etc.)


This is the perfect car, but for some reason no manufacturer on this damn planet will ever, EVER build one. :furious: They won't even come close.

Hatchbacks offer vastly improved utility over a sedan, yet offer better fuel economy than a wagon. They offer a superb blend of all the best characteristics of these two body types. You'd all be amazed what I can fit into my Geo Prizm hatchback, for instance. It's truly remarkable.

So it pisses me off to no end that no one will build a car of the type outlined above. EARTH TO AUTO MANUFACTURERS:

MID-SIZE HATCHBACK. MID-SIZE HATCHBACK. MID-SIZE HATCHBACK!!!

This memo goes out to consumers, also. Why people won't buy cars of this type continually astounds me. Not only can hatchbacks look cool (note the previous generation Mazda6 hatch-- THAT was a nice looking car), but they'll save you money while simultaneously allowing you the option to, you know, CARRY something in your car once in awhile, when you need to. Try shoving a desk in your sedan's trunk, for instance. Ain't gonna happen. But a hatchback? Throw the rear seats down and practically shove a piano in there. It'll fit.

But not in a boring, impractical sedan... Grrr... :headbash:

We'll see how things turn out-- Maybe one of these years I'll get lucky and be able to sell both my cars so I can buy ONE car that does everything I need. You know, a modern HATCHBACK.

http://automobiles.honda.com/future-cars/?SP_RID=MTc1MTY3MTcwMzAS1&SP_MID=2665209&PROGRAMID=RPNEWS&CAMPAIGNCODE=AT1941&OFFERCODE=AT1941&CELLCODE=BI&PID=962285698&FROM=EMAIL

I know we have all heard the rumors, but nothing confirms it like the actual source...

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151

I can't wait to see the actual car. I kind of like idea of a wagon.:thmsup:

Yeah, I've often liked the look of wagons for various cars. Some are even better than the normal car; the wagon somehow makes it actually look good where the regular version looks terrible.

Yeah, I've often liked the look of wagons for various cars. Some are even better than the normal car; the wagon somehow makes it actually look good where the regular version looks terrible.I would agree with this. Some cars just have an "unfinished" look to them as a sedan, they sort of need the wagon shape to finish them.

Spy Photos: 2010 Honda Accord Hatchback

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/06/assets/images/accordhatch2-950-thumb-555x350.jpg

We heard it was coming, but we didn't think it would look quite like this. This 2010 Honda Accord hatch, or Crosshatch, or whatever it's going to be called was spotted on a trip through Las Vegas.

It was probably on its way to Death Valley for some last minute hot weather testing before it goes on sale later this year. No doubt designed to take on the Toyota Venza in the "cool wagon" category, this Accord hatchback is more carlike than even the Venza. Fine if that's what you're into, but we kind of prefer the real Accord wagon that Europe gets. We'll see how this version goes over in the States soon enough.

http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/06/assets/images/accordhatch1-950-thumb-555x350.jpg

source: http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/06/spy-photos-2010-honda-accord-hatchback.html

Yeah, sorry bud. This is wayyy old news.


This is one of the many threads on the subject. It was right below your thread in the "General Drive" section;
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151

If Honda would just add the AWD hardware from the CRV or the Pilot to the current Accord V6 coupe it would be an almost perfect car for me.

Then, to make it completely perfect, they would just need to fix the weak brakes and interior rattles. :thmsup:

I agree!:wave:

If they offer a 6-speed manual version, that might help boost sales a little. ;)

For the people who live in places that get heavy snow in the winter and require a 4 wheel drive vehicle this would be a cool alternative. Perhaps some extreme mods would improve the look.

ZDX info was released.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=847600

I wish I could be interested in the ZDX, but alas, it's just too friggin' ugly. And I have a high tolerance for heinous cars yet still can't stand this rancid, disgusting thing. I mean really, Honda (and many other Japanese manufacturers, sadly-- <Cough><Cough> Subaru <Cough><Cough>) has recruited a whole new generation of design engineers that have absolutely NO refined sense of aesthetics. It makes me want to vomit my living guts out.

The ZDX will also require premium fuel and cost $5000 more than the Crosstour...

Game over.

I will say however that I don't presently mind the look of the upcoming Crosstour. We'll have to see how it looks in person. I really, really want this car to not suck, as I'd like to find a modern hatchback and consolidate down to having just one car...

The ZDX was designed by a woman FYI.....

Whoever they are, he/she/they evidently likes mustaches, as the ZDX looks like it has a Hungarian mustache:

http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/Categories/hungarian.jpg http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:hADkUTMAGGZKNM:http://thecarfanatic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009-acura-tl-7.jpg

Yeah, who knows what is up with the buck toothed look?!

Whoever they are, he/she/they evidently likes mustaches, as the ZDX looks like it has a Hungarian mustache:

http://www.worldbeardchampionships.com/Categories/hungarian.jpg http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:hADkUTMAGGZKNM:http://thecarfanatic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009-acura-tl-7.jpg

It does! :biggrin:

But I agree with GeoLogic, I want the car to succeed and not suck, but I don't think I would buy the car personally, unless I had a big family and I didn't want to get a minivan.

Picked this up on Toyota Venza group - looks like some updated spy shots of the Crosstour. It's waay more an Accord wagon and not the Acura hunchback...

http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1017940_alabama-built-accord-based-crossover-to-compete-with-venza

Picked this up on Toyota Venza group - looks like some updated spy shots of the Crosstour. It's waay more an Accord wagon and not the Acura hunchback...

http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/ma...ete-with-venza

Whatever this car ends up being, if it ever reaches the U.S. at all, it's not the Crosstour. This is indeed an 8th Generation Accord wagon of sort, but this body variation has not been officially announced by Honda, while the hatchback Crosstour has been announced. The photos linked above are also from January (read, outdated), while the Crosstour photos are from July.

I feel it's a nice looking wagon, though-- Would be cool if Honda brought this Accord back...

Picked this up on Toyota Venza group - looks like some updated spy shots of the Crosstour. It's waay more an Accord wagon and not the Acura hunchback...

http://blogs.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1017940_alabama-built-accord-based-crossover-to-compete-with-venza

Those are older spyshots of a preliminary mule that was much earlier in the testing process than the other spyshots that show a more hatchback-esque vehicle.

Wishful thinking on my part I suppose. IMHO the more recent spy-shots and the released Acura are unattractive designs and compromise storage utility in the process.

First teasers are out:
http://jalopnik.com/5345082/honda-accord-crosstours-new-smile-up-close

First teasers are out:
http://jalopnik.com/5345082/honda-accord-crosstours-new-smile-up-close

Now if only they could put those headlights on the Accord sedan... :D

It's gonna look great!
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/12/2009/08/500x_Honda_Crosstour_Lights.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/08/Honda_Crosstour_Grille.jpg

Now if only they could put those headlights on the Accord sedan... :D

My guess is they will be on the MMC...

Now if only they could put those headlights on the Accord sedan... :D

I'm hoping the same thing. IMO the headlights of the sedan are the worst part of the design.

Upon first looking at the pictures, now up on Honda's website, I just don't like the look of this Accord. Maybe it will be like other Accord's and just take some time to wear on me.
What do y'all think, like or dislike what you see?

HATE the front end. Looks like the Accura designers got ahold of this one. :thumbsdow

Still not diggin it... :thumbsdow

i just don't like the front grill that's all but the overall design is okay for me i guess...

isn't the crosstour similar to lexus rx 330???

HATE the front end. Looks like the Accura designers got ahold of this one. :thumbsdow

Or the Ody design team had extra grills to get rid of............:paranoid:

isn't the crosstour similar to lexus rx 330???

Kind of... Poorman's ZDX!

Kind of... Poorman's ZDX!

My impressions exactly - instead of badging an accord as an acura honda's flipped.

Why is every single car for the US market have to be covered with a HUGE grill?? I can't even begin to count the number of cars that I would absolutely love except they felt the need to do something ridiculous to the front end.:rant:


Example--the new TSX is beautiful except for the grill, so if I ever buy one I'll have to spend however much on importing a grill from Europe/Asia then will have one of the best looking cars around.

gah. why honda why!!!! why couldn't you just bring the accord wagon from europe over here!!!!
at this rate, my next car will not be a honda, i can't find anything in their lineup i could see myself driving. hopefully the next next generation will have a redesigned TL that doesnt look like a Total Loss .:thumbsdow

While I'm not especially warm to this design presently, I have a sneaking suspicion that I'll eventually come to like it. In all honesty, I really hated the look of the 7th Generation when it came out, but since then I've actually come to think of it as decent looking; regal, even.

What presently pisses me off is there was all this secretive hype about this new car, and then, when the day finally comes to reveal it, Honda drops two lame pictures on us!? That's it?? TWO FRIGGIN' PICTURES!?? And no further information?? No engine specifics, no interior photos, no pricing details?

What a crock.

As many of you might have surmised per several of my previous posts, I'm a huge proponent of hatchbacks and am hopeful that this car doesn't suck. As in, it might be my next car purchase, thus allowing me to consolidate my two cars into one. I love both my cars, but it makes more sense to have ONE car that handles everything I need. That, and the other realistic thing is my trusty Geo just isn't safe-- No ABS, no airbags, no structural protection... Cars of that era simply weren't built to today's safety standards, and that's a real issue. So the Crosstour, if Honda doesn't screw it up like a bunch of oafs, might be the best car that's come along in 25 years, for me. Basically since the last time they offered an Accord hatchback...

But I guess I won't know that for at least another F'ing month since Honda doesn't feel like giving their customers, you know, proper information in a timely manner... :furious:

Two lame pictures. Geeze. :rolleyes:

I might come to like it as well, just like you Geologic hated the 7th-gen design and now I own one. I will say I still hate the 7th-gen pre-2006...was never a fan of the 03-05 coupe taillights and the overroundness. Didn't mind the sedan lights until Hyundai xeroxed them.

That looks fugly, I think the Venza looks better than that personally.

I like the Euro Accord Wagon, too bad they didn't just offer that Stateside. :)

I like it. Much rather get a zdx though.

Like others have said, the front grille is way too big...waaaay too big. Otherwise it looks exactly like a ZDX, which I'm not too fond of already.

I see too much Porsche Panamera in the rear, bulbous and WAY too much rear overhang.
It needs another FOOT in wheelbase.

I think they should have left it as the wagon looking mule with the gen 8 nose, and Euro Accord wagon rear.

That is one butt ass ugly rig.

This is an instance where I'm pretty sure most would agree that abortion before leaving the factory would be preferred....

This is an instance where I'm pretty sure most would agree that abortion before leaving the factory would be preferred....


Absolutely. Honda needs a new design team and, especially, a new head designer that can take charge and turn the company around. Acura is another story although it needs similar treatment.

Small things make a big difference.

WTF is this for? Don't we have the Accord, CR-V, and Pilot? If Honda is earnestly trying to compete with the Toyota Venza, they fail. This is epic failure. The Venza is pretty sexy for the price. This is just a damn monstrosity.

Ford of Europe(?) wants their wheels back, btw.

UGH. :(

My retinas have been burned!!! :boohoo:

That is just so ugly, I almost can't believe it... except that Honda has uglied-up most all their vehicles lately (Accord/Pilot/TL/Element/Ridgeline/MDX). The only ones to escape the 100% ugly tag are the CRV, Civic, and the new TSX (but only barely).

And Honda fanboys criticize Nissan styling.:rolleyes:

Crosstour: Grille is ridiculous. Door handles don't match up to side crease (which itself is overwrought). Backend reminds me of old Saabs (not good). Wheels look very dull. Every surface is just overdone with creases/curves/cutlines. In fact the whole design looks like something from the early to mid 1990s... not contemporary at all.

Honda should have made this thing like Nissan's Murano or Toyota's Venza: raised up, car-like, suv-like silhouette with a taller cargo area. Not a hunchback hatchback. Americans don't like hatchbacks... especially big ones.

Wait! I have seen this thing before... the Chevy Corsica hatchback... circa 1992. That thing was a turd.

Yep... Honda will sell hundreds of these things.(mostly to the sight impaired to be sure):thmsup:

These things will pop up on this website soon.

yea you troll lolz

I don't know what's up with Acura/Honda, but most of their newer designs don't do much for me one way or another. This is the first one that I actually wouldn't buy based on the styling, though...it's too ugly. I was really hoping the Crosstour would be more appealing than this.

I'm afraid my choices in this segment would be the Venza or the Outback.

Yeh Im with just02 , Honda need to get a new designer and clean house. The concoctions they come up with lately make me cringe. Bar the new civic, they can leave that one alone. They need to hire a European design team or something.

Looks like the Insight, just bigger. Will have to take a trip to the dealer to see it personally. Also looks like they tried to replicate the 88 hatchback. That just me...

These things will pop up on this website soon.

Yeah...he is right since technically it is an "Accord". We will all have to be nice to the new people!!! :D

This is an instance where I'm pretty sure most would agree that abortion before leaving the factory would be preferred....

Forget the abortion . . . shoot the mother so it can't breed again.

/thread

There goes my hope of owning an Accord "wagon"............:(

These things will pop up on this website soon.

Ewww..

im getting pretty close to handing in my honda fanboy card.... while im not buying a new car for at least another 5 years i couldn't see myself in any of honda /acura's current offerings.

So I saw a Venza today, and now I get it....this is just Honda's response to a Venza. Even the front grill is huge on the Venza. Looks to me to be a car changed just enough to entice people that don't want to drive a "station wagon" even though that's what best for them.

Just another fad car that will look terrible to everyone in a few years after they quit making them. I prefer to stick to simple clean designs that won't be hideous and dated when the car is several years old.

From Car and Driver:

"Why does this car exist? Honda appears to think that buyers are really over trucks, and the more carlike, the better, even when it comes to crossovers. "Our concept is to broaden the appeal of the Accord lineup by leveraging traditional Accord strengths of fun-to-drive performance and handling while also adapting to dramatic shifts in the light truck marketplace," said Erik Berkman, vice president of American Honda. "The Accord Crosstour accomplishes that by offering a modern interpretation of a CUV while integrating the refinement and efficiency of a premium sedan.""

The issue with me is the front grill.. hate it as much as I hate most of acura's offerings....

Without the grill I could see some potential here. Of course when I look at any car, its like a blank canvas. What I'd do to it. and then how it looks.


From the factory. this shit is hideious... almost as bad as the Venza.

So I saw a Venza today, and now I get it....this is just Honda's response to a Venza. Even the front grill is huge on the Venza. Looks to me to be a car changed just enough to entice people that don't want to drive a "station wagon" even though that's what best for them.



I agree. What a let down. I had such high expectations for this, but that front grill is a deal breaker. And why revert to the pig's tail antenna?

mike.

someone on vtec.net did a chop with a little less pronounced grill... and then I did a few more things to it:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/starbai1985/crosstourchop-1.jpg

original grill size just blacked out:


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h10/starbai1985/originalgrill.jpg

see looking at that---- I think I'd rock it! lol

Looks real good. Would need new wheels though

Looks real good. Would need new wheels though

and some slammage :thmsup:

That looks a lot better. lol :banana:

Lolz, article from autoblog...shows some of the feedback from members of Honda's facebook page...not very positive.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/02/official-honda-crosstour-facebook-page-all-lit-up-with-early-neg/

I just recieved an email from Honda. Check this out! Who is in line to trade up?
What do you guys think?
http://tinyurl.com/knxgfh

I will not be in line to sign up. It looks like a mix between the Infiniti FX35 and the BMW X6. Not for me though!

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151&page=11

I blew up that thread on facebook. 4 posts worth of comments. i figure someone from honda is finally reading something i have to say so may as well lay it out.

Not sure what all the fuss is about, in essence the "Cross Tour" is a wagon-version of the 8th gen' Accord platform w/ similar/identical: prominent styling & design cues, signature/hallmark architecture, proportions/dimensions, stance/presence, and various characteristics/attributes that are synonymous w/ the current Accord/TL platform.

Why would anyone anywhere expect anything else? Honda is a small manufacturer focused on few offerings that are high-volume, market-segment sales leading models. And their bread-&-butter offering, namely the USDM Accord, is nearly always directly pegged w/ Toyota's USDM Camry, right down to tit-for-tat in terms of equipment/features in various trim levels as well as price-points. With the release of the Camry-based wagon, the Venza, it was beyond a foregone conclusion that Honda would offer their own Accord-based wagon. Not to mention this is nothing new for Honda, who had Accord-based wagons in '91-'93 & '94-'97, when there were Camry-based wagons in some of those years (ie. '88-'91 & '92-'96). See the parallel?

There's nothing special or such about it. Those who want an Accord-like station wagon will be all over this, just like they have been in the past for Accord wagons. It's analogous to how my sis' wanted an Accord-like S.U.V. & acquired a Pilot, and others who wanted an Accord-like minivan got an Odyssey. Those who pursue premium sport-wagons such as Avants, Tourers, Estates from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes Benz won't likely give a second thought towards a "Cross Tour". Perhaps some will cross shop who were otherwise considering mid-sized Subaru wagons, Toyota Venzas, and mid-sized economy C.U.V.'s. There are actually those out there who don't want an S.U.V., C.U.V., or a minivan, but need the space/convenience of a wagon & the feel/dynamics of a sedan. . .

Its the styling that kills it. yes it has cues from the normal accord, but that front end is wierd...

i think it looks like a piece of crap

Looks like a pontiac aztek.

http://www.niot.net/niot_570/pontiac_aztek_niot.net.jpg

I love this car. My opinion was what inspired this car. Im feelin the hatchback look......im buying this 4 sure when it releases....honda is sooo cheap.

The rendered pics from vtec.net actually make the car look pretty good :thumbsup:

The official photos, not so much.

I guess Honda's solution to Toyota's bizarre new CUV (Venza) is to make something even more "out there". :D

However, more photos from different angles/views might change my opinion later, though.

(As sent to American Honda Customer Service on 9/2/2009):

American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Honda Automobile Customer Service
1919 Torrance Boulevard
Mail Stop: 500 - 2N - 7D
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

Dear American Honda,

Until the time it was actually unveiled on your website, I was VERY interested in the prospect of the Accord CrossTour. Finally, I was hoping, Honda had made the decision to re-introduce the station wagon variant of the Accord to the North American market in general, and to the US market in particular. Yes! I have visited your UK website numerous times, specifically to drool over the Accord Tourer that is offered in that market.

I have to say that I am deeply disappointed in what the CrossTour actually turned out to be. The abbreviated roofline is not only unappealing to my senses, it offers none of the utility that a wagon would. In short, my interest in this car is absolutely zero …

Please consider the prospect of adding a true wagon, per the aforementioned Accord Tourer, to your US product lineup. As a repeat, currently satisfied Honda customer (’01 Accord EX / 4 door / 4 cylinder / 5 speed manual transmission; ’05 Odyssey EX-L, and lately ’09 Accord EX / 4 door / 4 cylinder / 5 speed manual transmission – all purchased “new” from Honda) I hope my opinion counts for something in your future product decision making process! I anticipate being in the market for a higher fuel mileage replacement for my ’05 Odyssey in approximately two years … I sincerely hope I have the ability to consider an Accord Tourer as its potential replacement. If so, great. If not, Subaru and Volkswagen currently have enticing products that meet my criteria.

Best regards,

While the CrossTour is a dog looks wise, there is no way in hell Honda will bring the Accord Tourer to the USA. If they did, it would be called Acura TSX Tourer and it would be pricey for what it is.

Nicely written letter btw, but something within me says that purchasing 3 cars as new from Honda does not make a very big deal to them. If you purchased 300,000 new cars a year, I could see your opinion being a lot more important to Honda's top decision makers.

I know, 3 cars isn't an entire boatload ... but, I had to try! I don't expect any response from Honda, but maybe, just maybe, a "Tourer" will show up when I expect to be back in the market! If not, there are other compelling choices out there ... but all in all, I'd rather have a Honda! They aren't perfect, but last time I checked, I wasn't either ... (at least that's what my wife tells me.)

Tourer isn't coming, and if it ever does, it'll be under an Acura Badge.

I guess its possible with the CTS Wagon on the way.

Not sure what all the fuss is about, in essence the "Cross Tour" is a wagon-version of the 8th gen' Accord platform w/ similar/identical: prominent styling & design cues, signature/hallmark architecture, proportions/dimensions, stance/presence, and various characteristics/attributes that are synonymous w/ the current Accord/TL platform.

Why would anyone anywhere expect anything else? .



Osiris, its not the notion of the car that people have fault with, rather the unattractive styling. And that appears to be a majority opinion.

IMO, much of the turmoil is still fall out from the fundamental shift in the Accord platform. The 8th gen Accord and now the Crosstour are BIG vehicles. They embody none of the attributes of their lightweight, fuel efficient predecessors that made them so popular with Honda followers.

Furthermore, the Crosstour is a "talk to the hand" towards Honda's traditional "do more with less" philosophy. "Man max. Machine min." This thing looks big and bulky. Its weight and the already questionable VCM performance don't bode well for performance or fuel efficiency. The sharply pitched rear roof line looks like it might cut into head room and compromise cargo space. Throw in the Accord's busy dash board and an interior that's sure to really amplify road roar on the hwy with the extra echo chamber space in the rear and it doesn’t look promising at all.

I hold Honda to higher standards of innovation and refinement. They could have bucked the trends again (as they did so long with V6s) and offered a wagon that did everything well rather than offer the Crosstour that seems it will compromise everything horribly.

Granted the new vehicles will attract new faces to the Honda fold, but they’re certainly chasing away the long time Honda loyalists. And it’s the current Honda loyalists that have been the most vocal about the recent vehicles it’s no wonder the feedback has been so overwhelmingly negative. There are lots of people that miss what used to be Honda’s core philosophy about engineering cars.

And was that “old” philosophy so bad? Honda was green before it was trendy. They had an unwavering commitment to building cars with small carbon footprints that were fun to drive AND fuel efficient AND delivered big on features and value. Now for the same price as the competition, we get none of these attributes and even less perceived value.

I saw this morning that Honda took the comments down from their FB page. Mine was among them. :D You think that there would have been one – just ONE - positive comment. o_O

Look what I got in the mail. So it looks 700 times better than we thought... lol remember the first pics on here?

http://links.mkt015.com/servlet/MailView?ms=MjY4OTY2NwS2&r=MTc3MzMwNjczMjcS1&j=NzY3MDQyMTYS1&mt=1&rt=0

Anyways apparently it's coming out in 31 days.

It's a LOT better than this: http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/honda-accord-cuv-2011-spy-img_4.jpg

^ I think I actually like that version better :paranoid:

^ I think I actually like that version better :paranoid:

x10 :yes:

I like that version better, too. The Accord's bugeyed headlights notwithstanding, overall the proportions look cleaner and hunkered down.

This vehicle looks like it would have a chance in the twisties. The Crosstour looks too top heavy.

Look what I got in the mail. So it looks 700 times better than we thought... lol remember the first pics on here?

http://links.mkt015.com/servlet/MailView?ms=MjY4OTY2NwS2&r=MTc3MzMwNjczMjcS1&j=NzY3MDQyMTYS1&mt=1&rt=0

Anyways apparently it's coming out in 31 days.

It's a LOT better than this: http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/honda-accord-cuv-2011-spy-img_4.jpg

Looks like the little brother of the Didge Magnum...........:thumbsdow:thumbsdow

IMO they're both ugly.

Until they can put out a decent RWD, 4cyl, 4 passenger coupe with a 6spd and LSD, with a v6 as an option, they shouldn't even be bothering with this crap.

IMO they're both ugly.

Until they can put out a decent RWD, 4cyl, 4 passenger coupe with a 6spd and LSD, with a v6 as an option, they shouldn't even be bothering with this crap.

Haha, keep dreaming.

Yea i will, unfortunately thats all I'll ever do, beacuse honda execs are to busy making their teams build this kinda crap.

Yes i know they're volume sellers... but give me a break you're telling me honda doesn't have enough people that want to buy an RWD coupe from them???? I'm not buying it for a second. Look at all the hype/buzz around the return of the 240sx, the Toyobaru Coupe thats supposedly in the works, hell even the Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

NONE of them would stand a chance if honda took their head out their ass and started looking around before building the car that no one asked them to.

The accord wagon woulda been a sucess as the Tourer, this crap- useless. its a 4x4 wagon, this whole sporty feel is bullshit and everyone knows it.

ps the only thing that intrigues me about this thing is what parts would be compatible with the coupe.

converted AWD accord coupe??? lol yea i know keep dreamin.

So far, I'm getting the sense that Honda won't be selling too many Crosstour's ....

^ I think I actually like that version better :paranoid:

Yeah, I could see how come people would like that better.

Let's just be happy that they didn't follow in Acura's footsteps completely and include the grill :puke:

http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto-shows/2009-acura-rl-a-grille-only-acura-could-love/8056334+w570+cr1+re0+ar1/2009-acura-rl-grille.jpg

The problem with it is that it doesn't fit into any segment. Sometimes this can be a good thing, but this car seems too confused between a crossover and hatchback. If they wanted the former, they should have given a proper liftgate in the back. If they wanted a hatchback, don't bother with jacking it up into a pseudo-SUV.

It'll probably grow on me, though.

Honestly I am not sure why American consumer are attracted to these atrocious vehicles. You have Toyota with the Venza, a guised up Camry on twenty inch wheels - it looks obscene and is obviously built with the typical Toyota cost cutting in mind. I wish the American buyer would actually demand real wagons like the Europeans do. Why everything has to appear like some sort of psuedo-SUV is beyond me:

http://media.mpgomatic.com/images/accord_diesel-1.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,497794,00.jpg

Honda won't bring this here because wagon sales are so poor in America. The Passat wagon is discontinued this year. Again, I don't understand why anyone would want a "venza" over a real wagon. These two cars (in addition to the Legacy Wagon, 3-Series wagon, and A4 avant) are all going to drive better than any Camry/Accord on stilts, and they all have a form of all wheel drive. So what's the reason for these monsters? They make zero sense, they are playing to American lust for SUVs.

Tuolumne, I agree with you. It's a shame that people in the US don't like wagons. I also think they look better than all the CUVs out there. Other car enthusiasts who prefer wagons like to blame the automakers for not offering more wagons, but the fact is the ones that have couldn't sell them here. I didn't know the Passat wagon was being discontinued that's a shame. The Legacy wagon was dropped a few years ago and now all you can get is the Outback version. The new one looks horrible. It seems Subaru has also gone with the bloated CUV look for the 2010 Outback. As far as the Crosstour I don't like it. I preferred the 8th generation Accord wagon looking mule. I really think Honda should have brought the JDM Odyssey over instead of the Crosstour. I like the US Odyssey, but I think there is room in Honda's lineup for both vehicles. Honda needs a family hauler that is smaller than the US Odyssey and Pilot yet bigger than the CRV that offers a third row of seats. The JDM Odyssey would be perfect, especially if they could fit an optional V6 under the Honda. They managed to get one under the hood of the JDM/Euro Accord/TSX so I would think they could get one under the hood of the JDM Odyssey. I would also like to see the Euro Accord wagon as the TSX wagon, and the Stream, but I doubt Honda would bring any of these cars over here because Americans won't buy them. However, you would think Honda would consider bringing more JDM cars over here since the Fit has been successful.

2010 Outback
http://www.yosax.com/car_pictures/2009/04/2010-subaru-outback.jpg

JDM Odyssey
http://carview-img01.bmcdn.jp/cvmaterials/magazine/photo_impression/2008/honda_odyssey/21_l.jpg

Stream
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/06/03_l2ab.jpg

Euro Accord Wagon
http://www.drivesouth.co.nz/files/slideshow/Honda_Accord_Euro_Tourer_Medium.JPG

Who wouldn't buy the Stream?? I looooove the Stream.

Alsoooo, new pics of the Crosstour are up on the website.

Hmm... does look weird.

The hatch looks quite narrow width wise, seems like it could have been made wider to fit bulky cargo in easier.

still dont like it.

Here are a few more shots. These few actually aren't THAT bad looking IMO. :)

In the first pic I really see the Accord influence on the design, which I like. Also, I'm digging the black/tan combo for the interior which I assume comes from the coupe.

Why is Honda forcing me to buy a Toyota Venza ?

Why is Honda forcing me to buy a Toyota Venza ?

why would you buy EITHER of the two abominations?

Buy a CR-V and call it a day. (just my opinion)

why would you buy EITHER of the two abominations?

Buy a CR-V and call it a day. (just my opinion)

The Venza is a bigger vehicle with better gas mileage. I think the dated 5-speed transmission is the culprit.

as ugly as the Cross Tour is,

in my opinion its still better than this thing:

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/18597-2009-Toyota-Venza.jpg

as ugly as the Cross Tour is,

in my opinion its still better than this thing:

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/18597-2009-Toyota-Venza.jpg

Not fond of either but I would take the Venza if I had to choose. Even though I've never owned a Toyota.

zdx looks better

lets asume that looks dont matter in other words make them equally ugly.

Comparing the the next most important thing (to me)

Lets talk about driveablity.

I'm not saying the Cross Tour is the S2000's sucessor, but i garuntee that it will be WAY tighter, more responsive and fun to drive, RELATIVE to the venza.

I've driven the venza, twice.... ALMOST as uninspiring and boring to drive as the Camry which in my opinion is the Japanese buick... not the newer buicks either, the 90s Buicks.

Its like driving a padded/comfortable/motorized shopping cart. ABSOLUTLY BORING.

zdx looks better

thats not sayin much.

lets asume that looks dont matter in other words make them equally ugly.

Comparing the the next most important thing (to me)

Lets talk about driveablity.

I'm not saying the Cross Tour is the S2000's sucessor, but i garuntee that it will be WAY tighter, more responsive and fun to drive, RELATIVE to the venza.

I've driven the venza, twice.... ALMOST as uninspiring and boring to drive as the Camry which in my opinion is the Japanese buick... not the newer buicks either, the 90s Buicks.

Its like driving a padded/comfortable/motorized shopping cart. ABSOLUTLY BORING.

I agree with you 100%. I am not even sure a the Cross Tour has a face that even a mother could love. I can't recall any Honda ever being that ugly. Maybe it looks better in person. The photos aren't doing it any justice

Do you take a woman home that you can't stand to look at (no matter what the rumor is about her performance)?

I know my answer.

many people said the same about the Element... but 6 years into production and its still selling well... the scion XB by comparison is on its 2nd generation...

I guess bottom line is though its ugly, honda knows how to sell cars... the only problem is they're alienating us and going after the toyota buyers.

2nd or 3rd largest car company in the world?? something like that? from a business standpoint I guess its not a bad targett

Do you take a woman home that you can't stand to look at (no matter what the rumor is about her performance)?

I know my answer.

I agree... but since his only two options (only ones he's considering) are the venza and crosstour.... lets just assume he doesn't mind utilizing the 'brown paper bag' method :banana:

the scion XB by comparison is on its 2nd generation...


I don't think Scion is a good example to use when talking about good brand/lifecycle management. IIRC they replaced the xB early to keep the brand fresh (a euphemism for saying that their target audience had a short attention span).

Also what has helped the Element a lot through the years is its functionality (you can actually take it off road and its cargo area is conducive to outdoor activities) as well as Honda's continual refreshing (its received at least 3 different tweaks during its current lifecycle if my memory serves me correctly).

That being said I like the element a lot more.

The trim levels were released.

They are:
EX 2WD
EX-L 2WD
EX-L Navi 2WD
EX-L AWD
EX-L Navi AWD

Yes, AWD is only available on EX-L trims and there's no LX trim.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=852990

Is it weird that I actually don't find it ugly? :S

Is it weird that I actually don't find it ugly? :S

I have to agree. It's not the fugliest car in the world.

Do you take a woman home that you can't stand to look at (no matter what the rumor is about her performance)?

I know my answer.

Does it depend on how drunk you are?? :lmao:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/n8dog82/delete-11.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c164/n8dog82/delete-11.jpg

That pic looks much better..........got some crx lines in it.........:)

honestly if they didn't go that SUV route... and made it into a normal wagon i think it would have looked pretty good. its that 4x4 stance of it that i hate... that and the front end but still fixable.

its that 4x4 stance of it that i hate...

What 4x4 stance? That thing is sitting pretty damn low in the picture you posted.

Not all the info is correct on the trim levels BTW. I won't say any more, but just keep that in mind.

That is a ps with acura wheels BTW.

Not all the info is correct on the trim levels BTW. I won't say any more, but just keep that in mind.

Oh, now that is what I call a cliff-hanger! :thmsup:

What 4x4 stance? That thing is sitting pretty damn low in the picture you posted.

The picture he posted is a photoshop of what the Crosstour would look like if it was lowered.

The trim levels were released.

They are:
EX 2WD
EX-L 2WD
EX-L Navi 2WD
EX-L AWD
EX-L Navi AWD

Yes, AWD is only available on EX-L trims and there's no LX trim.
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=852990

Terrible, they should have offered the AWD on at least the EX trim level as well imo. Some people just want the drivetrain and not all the extra crap. :thumbsdow

Interior Pictures
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=856339

Interior Pictures
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=856339

Appears to be identical to the '08+ Accord sedan/coupe EX-L & EX-L nav' interiors/center-consoles (dual-zone climate-control & optional nav'). . .

The LX/LX-P/LX-S interiors w/ their uber-large buttons on the center-consoles were omitted! :D

Reference (el'ex int's):

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5452/08accordlxpsedint.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/08accordlxpsedint.jpg/)

my lease for my 07 se is due in January...... hey Osiris.... what do you think a lease payment will go for.... ex-l no navi.....

Look on the driver door in front of the door handle (the pic 3rd from the left on top), driver memory for the keys. Ugh that would be great to have!!

my lease for my 07 se is due in January...... hey Osiris.... what do you think a lease payment will go for.... ex-l no navi.....As a rough guide, current '10 Accord sedan lease offer from AHFC...

2010 Accord Featured Special Lease $219.00 per month for 36 months. $2,199.00 total due at signing. (http://automobiles.honda.com/current-offers.aspx?ModelName=Accord+Sedan#)

That can be improved further as the MSRP is discounted & lease #'s can be derived from the discounted/negotiated price.

The '10 Accord CrossTour will be in EX V6 / EX-L V6 trim only (so I've heard/read), not the like the aforementioned Accord LX sedan. My local dealer said the sales-team were getting training/marketing-info' for the CrossTour a week or so from this week.

For comparative leasing #'s on new Accords, check-out the following Edmunds.com CarSpace townhall-talk forum thread:

Honda Accord Lease Questions (Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum) (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ef9da10?displayRecent)

Look on the driver door in front of the door handle (the pic 3rd from the left on top), driver memory for the keys. Ugh that would be great to have!!That's perhaps the only "option" I wished I had on my '08 Accord LX sedan, a power driver's seat + memory-seat function. The driver's seat sees two driver's w/ stark different seating positions.

Well, while I'm at it, automatic climate-control would be good too (the basic on/off A-C w/ fan-speed & temp' control rarely find the ambient comfort-zone... either too cold, or "is this damn thing even on???" :D).

(yes... the Accord LX-P adds 8-way power driver's seat & 10-way/power-lumbar for the EX/EX-L, and the Accord EX-L sedan adds dual-zone automatic climate-control. But, there is no memory for the driver's seat! Grrr...)

I'm really liking the gauges on this! :thmsup:

what do you guys think? its called the H.A.C (Honda Accord Crosstour) i havent seen this here yet so i figured i share it. its set to be released next year, "The Crosstour is based on the Accord sedan but gets a bolder grille and wedged-shaped C-pillars. The Crosstour is similar to the Acura ZDX concept shown at the New York auto show, but that was based on a different platform.
Crossover function comes with an increased ride height and what Honda calls "all-weather potential" -- code words for all-wheel drive."

This is OLD news. You should delete this thread, go to "The Pit" and find the Crosstour thread.

Thank you and have a nice day. :)

Here's the other thread:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32151&highlight=crosstour

Honestly I am not sure why American consumer are attracted to these atrocious vehicles. You have Toyota with the Venza, a guised up Camry on twenty inch wheels - it looks obscene and is obviously built with the typical Toyota cost cutting in mind. I wish the American buyer would actually demand real wagons like the Europeans do. Why everything has to appear like some sort of psuedo-SUV is beyond me:

http://media.mpgomatic.com/images/accord_diesel-1.jpg
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,497794,00.jpg

Honda won't bring this here because wagon sales are so poor in America. The Passat wagon is discontinued this year. Again, I don't understand why anyone would want a "venza" over a real wagon. These two cars (in addition to the Legacy Wagon, 3-Series wagon, and A4 avant) are all going to drive better than any Camry/Accord on stilts, and they all have a form of all wheel drive. So what's the reason for these monsters? They make zero sense, they are playing to American lust for SUVs.

I agree. A basic wagon instead of these psuedo-suv type of vehicles marketed as a wagon/suv would be a much better option.

mike.

IMO honda should of dumped a diesel motor in the crosstour.

http://jalopnik.com/5380603/honda-accord-crosstour-brings-the-butt

Now that the Honda Crosstek has been spotted on the streets of NY. And I still think the car is atrocious.

I think it looks better in those pictures, but I'm still not sold on the design. I'll wait until I see it in person. The front looks similar to the new Taurus.

IMO honda should of dumped a diesel motor in the crosstour.

I'd rather they bring the deisel over in the CRV.

Not a fan of the CrossTour. I liked the style of the VW wagon.

Here you go,

http://www.insideline.com/honda/accord-crosstour/2010/2010-honda-accord-crosstour-full-test-and-video.html

Des,

It comes with a USB. Wonder if it will work on the Accord?

Grrr it gets usb so this almost def means the usb add-on for base fit/pilot will work. Man those seats look great too.

it honestly is a good looking car imo.

Grrr it gets usb so this almost def means the usb add-on for base fit/pilot will work. Man those seats look great too.

I wonder how much the usb will cost? If not too much I'm down for trying it out....

I'm still undecided on this.

Will definitely pick up the leather shifter, though!

mike.

I have a feeling people will be getting the crosstour front 2 piston calipers and rear calipers as well, because the brakes are bigger on the crosstour. Also, the someone needs to get on the ball and test out the USB module functionality with our 8th gens.

Most of the test driver's comments were negative. Bad brakes, slower than Venza, less cargo room than Venza and CRV, etc. I would be upset if I was a honda executive.

i am just not feeling her, she looks hideous. As for the usb well i have an alpine hu :-)

At first glance Crosstour is not attractive. It looks too high off grade, and rear is not sleek, but it comes with USB and back up camera both desirable features. Cargo space is a bit cramped, if you need to haul stuff around. My preference is for Coupe. Regards

Richard

Here you go,

http://www.insideline.com/honda/accord-crosstour/2010/2010-honda-accord-crosstour-full-test-and-video.html

Des,Thanks for the linkie, should be insightful for those giving consideration to this forthcoming model.

Let's keep all relevant Honda CrossTour topics consolidated in an existing & ongoing thread, it helps those seeking information get a better "search" results.

Crosstour accessoroies are out.
http://www.collegehillshonda.com/crosstouraccessories.htm

The crosstour have better leather seat and better standard feature than our accord? WTF??:dunno: Too bad it doesn't come with rear entertainment system as an option like every other crossover/wagon/suv.

You'll quickly notice the USB unit to plug into the radio isn't listed under the Crosstour items which I'd love for my 8th gen. I just sent an email to Paul at College Hills Honda asking him if he has any info to share.

I've been looking at the various threads for the USA Spec and PXAMG iPod adapters and waiting for something better. I hope this is it. Also with the SEMA show (http://reviews.cnet.com/sema) this week maybe existing or new manufacturers might give us a pleasant surprise? Check out the system from Garmin to provide car data through your GPS.

Tom

The crosstour have better leather seat and better standard feature than our accord? WTF??:dunno: Too bad it doesn't come with rear entertainment system as an option like every other crossover/wagon/suv.

its also close to 10g's more expensive.

I got a response from Paul about using the USB interface in the Crosstour with the 8th gen Accord. Here it is:

"From everything we have learned the radio has special software installed in order to work together with the USB interface. Without a radio that is set up you would be dead in the water. That is what we’ve been told at least.

Paul Pacek - Internet Manager"


So it isn't clear if our radios could be programmed or if you'd have to do a swap. I asked Paul to keep me informed if things change so I could let eveyone here know.

Tom

Honda has the photos out for the Crosstour. I like it.

http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-crosstour/exterior-photos.aspx