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stiller fan
08-05-2005, 03:08 PM
Hybrid drivers to push Prius to the limit

Friday, August 05, 2005
By Elwin Green, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Fans of the hybrid car, take note. The rest of you might want to pay attention, too.

Starting tonight, a four-man driving team will attempt to achieve the highest mileage-per-gallon ever recorded in the sporty Toyota Prius: 100 miles per gallon.

The men -- Dave Bassage of Walton, W.Va., Dan Kroushl of Pittsburgh; Wayne Gerdes of Chicago; and Rick Reece of Greenville, S.C. -- met online in forums and discussion groups for Prius owners. Their shared interest in maximizing their gas mileage led them to devise the experiment that they will conduct this weekend, essentially comprising two steps:

Step one: Fill up the gas tank of a Prius.

Step two: Drive nonstop until the gas runs out.

The "test track" for their endurance run, which the drivers expect to last 38 to 40 hours, will be a 14-mile stretch of Route 65 running in front the Sewickley Country Inn, where the four are lodging for the weekend.

"It'll be four middle-aged men spending a hot weekend in Pittsburgh going nowhere -- and calling it fun," said team spokesman Bassage.

Bassage said the marathon drive was Kroushl's idea. So he got to pick the route.

"We all have been working on trying to maximize our fuel economy, and Dan's had the most success of any of us," Bassage said. "He's been able to get consistently up in the 80 miles-per-gallon range."

To the best of his knowledge, Bassage said, no one has tallied more than 90 miles per gallon from a full Prius tank.

They plan to drive one at a time, in four-hour shifts, beginning tonight at 6 p.m.

If they reach their 100 miles-per-gallon goal, they will have driven nearly 1,200 miles (the Prius's gas tank holds 11.9 gallons) by the time the car rolls to a stop Sunday morning.

The published EPA-estimated gas mileage for the Prius -- 60 mpg for city driving, 51 for highway, and 55 for combined -- make it one of the most gas-efficient cars on the road. But that still falls far short of the three-digit target the team has set for itself. So how do the drivers plan to gain an additional 40 to 50 miles per gallon?

In a word, gliding. Or in three words, pulse and glide -- a technique that involves releasing the gas pedal, then depressing it slightly again. Releasing it turns off the gas engine and causes the generator to recharge the battery; depressing it slightly again disengages the generator so that neither the gas engine nor the electric engine in on, allowing the car to glide.

"For the duration of this event, the gas engine will only be running a third of the time," Bassage said. "The rest of the time we'll be in glide mode."

Bassage, administrator of the office of innovation in West Virginia's Department of Environmental Protection, said that Prius enthusiasts tend to be either "enviros" like himself, whose primary interest in the vehicle arises from environmental concerns, or "techies" like his teammates, who delight in the car's mechanics.

With oil prices topping $60 per barrel, and gas pumps consistently registering $2.25 a gallon or more, their ranks may soon be swelled by "cheapies" -- people who just want to save money. Especially after President Bush acts on two bills awaiting his signature.

The first replaces a federal tax deduction for buying a hybrid with a more generous tax credit that could total as much as $3,400. The second gives states the right to open high-occupancy vehicle lanes to hybrids, even if there's only one person in the car.

The Prius is the most popular hybrid vehicle in the country. A total of 83,153 hybrids were sold in the United States last year, according to R.L. Polk & Co., a Southfield, Mich.-based firm that collects and interprets automotive data. The Toyota Prius hybrid dominated that market, with 53,761 new Prius cars registered.

VTECaddict
08-05-2005, 03:11 PM
whoa, whoa, whoa...."sporty Toyota Prius" ?!?! :scratch: :confused: :dunno:

stiller fan
08-05-2005, 03:12 PM
at least it "looks" sporty...somewhat.... :lmao:

psyshack
08-05-2005, 04:22 PM
good luck on the hyper mpg run :notworthy

Pairallel
08-05-2005, 07:43 PM
If you hear horns honking and loud noises in the Pittsburgh area, you know Wayne is holding up traffic and his 100psi tires are exploding...!!! :lmao:

stiller fan
08-05-2005, 07:46 PM
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

^^^^ had to take a breather after that one..... :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

psyshack
08-05-2005, 11:19 PM
I applude the effort. Most americans shouldnt have a lic. to begin with. The thought of motivation above walking speed is danger to most.

If there hanging out in the slow lanes and meeting min. speeds on hwys then go for it.

I really get sick of you folks that knock hyper mpg folks.

I guess we should jack stiller up bing a weather man and right ,,, what 20% of the time.

some support here for a worthy record and attempt at something worth while.

lamers

stiller fan
08-06-2005, 11:18 AM
psy: it's all in fun here......... no harm intended...... :grouphug:

and, btw, navy weather observers and forecasters are definitely more accurate than their civilian counterpart..... :yes: :thmsup: i would love to see the weather channel forecast for local area weather off the coast of IRAQ or Pakistan...... this would include sea heights and direction...... :yes:

stiller fan
08-06-2005, 11:20 AM
I guess we should jack stiller up bing a weather man and right ,,, what 20% of the time.

and about this quote: i have not had official training as a weather forecaster, only on-the-job experience....... i will be going to weather forecasting school in july enxt year.... :thmsup: :biggrin:

anysia
08-06-2005, 01:27 PM
all i can say is glad i'm not in pgh this weekend or there would be atleastone horn blaring... mine.

you can still get great mpg without the absurdness.

you can still get over 32mpg in an accord while cruising at 85-90 with some 100mph+ sprints.... and then some heavy traffic too. :lmao: oops and i forgot to overfill my tires before i left too....

SSMV6
08-08-2005, 10:03 AM
Any update on this event? I'm curious as to weather they actually made it to 100MPG.

psyshack
08-08-2005, 11:33 AM
Any update on this event? I'm curious as to weather they actually made it to 100MPG.

ditto

xcel
08-08-2005, 04:57 PM
Hi All:

___Sorry I was already on my way to Pittsburgh when the posts here at DriveAccord showed up. It was a very long weekend but we did a wee bit better then our stated goal :D

http://www.greenhybrid.com/share/files/1/5/7/FinalMarathonSuperMIDClean.jpeg

2004 Toyota Prius II: SuperMID Japanese Prius owner supplied display hooked up through the ECU to see FE > 99.9 mpg because that is all the Prius shows in its OEM display …

___The above pic is of the final tank details per the Japanese Fuel Consumption Display that Dan Kroushl hooked up to his Prius II we drove for the event. The OEM MFD showed 99.9 mpg from ~ 5 minutes after the First shift driver left at 07:00 PM Friday night all the way to the finish at 06:45 PM on Sunday evening. We posted that pic in other Hybrid forums but it really doesn’t mean anything since it went to its max after just 5 minutes and simply stayed there the whole event.

Shift 1: Dan K.
Overall FC: 2.25L/100km
Engine ON FC: 8.06L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 28
Fuel Consumed: 4.5L
Distance Traveled: 200.38km
Elapsed Time: 4:03
Ave. Temp: 22
# Stops: 33
# Slows: 13

Shift 2: Dave B.
Overall FC: 2.34L/100km
Engine ON FC: 8.29L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 28
Fuel Consumed: 4.71L
Distance Traveled: 201.54km
Elapsed Time: 3:57
Ave. Temp: 18
# Stops: 23
# Slows: 10

Shift 3: Wayne G
Overall FC: 2.28L/100km
Engine ON FC: 7.19L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 32
Fuel Consumed: 4.59L
Distance Traveled: 201.02km
Elapsed Time: 3:50
Ave. Temp: 18
# Stops: 10
# Slows: 11

Shift 4: Rick R.
Overall FC: 2.2L/100km
Engine ON FC: 9.44L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 23
Fuel Consumed: 4.46L
Distance Traveled: 202.37km
Elapsed Time: 4:10
Ave. Temp: 22
# Stops: 36
# Slows: 15

Shift 5: Dan K
Overall FC: 2.1L/100km
Engine ON FC: 7.05L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 30
Fuel Consumed: 4.23L
Distance Traveled: 201.31km
Elapsed Time: 4:16
Ave. Temp: 27
# Stops: 36
# Slows: 20

Shift 6: Rick R
Overall FC: 2.05L/100km
Engine ON FC: 0.09L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 23
Fuel Consumed: 4.11L
Distance Traveled: 200.78km
Elapsed Time: 4:12
Ave. Temp: 29
# Stops: 43
# Slows: 18

Shift 7: Dan K
Overall FC: 2.04L/100km
Engine ON FC: 6.68L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 31
Fuel Consumed: 3.09L
Distance Traveled: 151.21km
Elapsed Time: 3:17
Ave. Temp: 23
# Stops: 15
# Slows: 16

Shift 8: Dave B.
Overall FC: 2.19L/100km
Engine ON FC: 7.97L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 28
Fuel Consumed: 3.31L
Distance Traveled: 150.71km
Elapsed Time: 3:04
Ave. Temp: 21
# Stops: 12
# Slows: 9

Shift 9: Bob B.
Overall FC: 2.17L/100km
Engine ON FC: 9.02L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 24
Fuel Consumed: 4.31L
Distance Traveled: 198.77km
Elapsed Time: 4:17
Ave. Temp: 20
# Stops: 13
# Slows: 4

Shift 10: Wayne G
Overall FC: 1.95L/100km
Engine ON FC: 10.16L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 19
Fuel Consumed: 2.94L
Distance Traveled: 150.78km
Elapsed Time: 3:51
Ave. Temp: 23
# Stops: 24
# Slows: 17


Shift 11: Rick R.
Overall FC: 2.02L/100km
Engine ON FC: 7.79L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 26
Fuel Consumed: 4.06L
Distance Traveled: 200.95km
Elapsed Time: 4:19
Ave. Temp: 28
# Stops: 31
# Slows: 24

Shift 12: Dan K.
Overall FC: 2.13L/100km
Engine ON FC: 6.92L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 31
Fuel Consumed: 4.01L
Distance Traveled: 188.64km
Elapsed Time: 3:49
Ave. Temp: 33
# Stops: 19
# Slows: 17

Total:
Overall FC: 2.15L/100km
Engine ON FC: 8.01L/100km
Percent Engine ON: 27
Fuel Consumed: 48.339L
Distance Traveled: 2248.7km
Elapsed Time: 47:43
Ave. Temp: 24
Ave # Stops: 25
Ave # Slows: 15
Total # Stops: 300
Total # Slows: 174

Final results: 46.52 Km/L after 2248.78 Km or 109.4 mpg after 1397.3 miles per the SuperMid display.
Actual from Odometer and fuel top off: 110.66 mpg over 1397.3 miles. The 110.3 included at least 8 ounces still left in the 1 gallon container to get her back to the gas station from empty.

Hybrid drivers complete run for mileage mark - 2 days, 1,400 miles, 110 mpg, 1 tank (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05220/550484.stm)

Prius Goes Nearly 1400 Miles On One Tank Of Gas (http://hybridcars.about.com/od/news/a/100mpgrecord.htm)

Actual recorded distance on one tank of fuel: 1397.3 miles
Fuel Economy over tank: (109.4 + 110.66)/2 = 110.03 mpg

# of Full Stops for stop lights during entire tank: 300
# of Slow Downs below 20 mph without a complete Stop for Stop lights during entire tank: 174

Highest and Lowest FE recorded over any 3 or 4 RT (Round Trip) segments of 90 or 120 miles: 120.5 mpg/100.6 mpg respectively. The 120.5 mpg segment came from someone you might know already ;)

___It was a lot of fun but tiring as well. I had the first night shift on Day 1 (02:00 AM- 06:00 AM) and the early morning day shift on Day 2 (05:00 AM - 09:00 AM). Keeping HBO, the local papers, 4 local TV stations, and taking people out for clinics was a bit over the top for 2 of the 5 of us that were handling those duties (Dave Bassage and myself mostly) but I think everyone came away with something very special!

___As for me, besides the world record segment, the team’s world record distance tank in a Prius II, and exceeding our stated goal by ~ 10%, the real highlight was what some might call an unusual one. I had the opportunity to give a hypermiling lesson to a couple that showed up after they read about the event in one of the local Pittsburgh newspapers. This individual (John Conley) and his wife own a brand new 2005 Prius II with ~ 3,000 miles on it. Bone stock, break in oil, 33 #’s all around, and have been averaging in the low 50’s to date. Not bad at all for a new Prius II. His wife was in the back, I was in the passenger seat guiding him along, and he was driving. After a 20 mile drive from the Hotel and back, he nailed an 85.5 mpg segment and the A/C was in Auto at a toasty 73 degrees F! I was absolutely stoked to see this absolute newbie nail that kind of mileage over the segment and all I needed to do is give him a few minutes of my time. I hope that he and his wife remember the experience for the rest of their lives because I sure will!

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

princess
08-09-2005, 03:11 PM
Congratulations on the super hypermiling!!! :thmsup:

I couldn't do it on a bicycle!! :notworthy Downhill...... with a tailwind!!!!

psyshack
08-09-2005, 05:05 PM
Good Job!!!!!!!

VTECaddict
10-26-2005, 09:45 PM
They made Toyota's Hybrid Synergy View Newsletter!

http://www.toyota.com/hybridsynergyview/2005/fall/marathon.html?url=HTML

stiller fan
10-27-2005, 11:19 AM
i think that the last paragraph of the article sums it up best:

Reminder: These techniques are for hypermileage runs and are not necessarily recommended for daily driving. For safety, drivers must keep their attention on traffic conditions, keep up with prevailing speeds, and not overly concentrate on the dashboard mileage display. See the article on mileage tips in this issue of Hybrid Synergy View.

EXLNavi
10-27-2005, 11:46 AM
Congrats Wayne!!


(I hope he told them he drives an Accord... :lmao: )

xcel
10-27-2005, 03:34 PM
Hi Guys:

___Thanks! I did tell them I drive a Honda Accord many many months ago but I guess they didn’t want to post that small detail ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes