2010 HONDA ACCORD CHANGES


Styling: Few Accord owners probably buy this car for its styling. The proportions are true, but Accord’s body looks lumpy next the Chevrolet Malibu and a bit dull against the flamboyant Mazda 6. Still, Honda’s happy with the sheetmetal it gave Accord when it fully redesigned the car for model-year 2008. It’ll stay with that look until a mid-cycle freshening, probably for model-year 2011. At that point, front and rear appearance revisions and some interior updates will seek to sustain interest as this generation heads for retirement, with 2012 likely its final model year. A four-door-sedan on a 110.0-inch wheelbase and a two-door coupe on a 107.9-inch wheelbase are again offered for 2010. Wheelbase is the distance between the front and rear axles and helps define how much space can be allotted for the passenger compartment. In both wheelbase and overall body length, Accord is among the largest cars in the midsize class.
Mechanical: Like every other midsize car, Accord has front-wheel drive, which puts the weight of the engine over the wheels that propel the car. That helps traction in snow and maximizes cabin space, two qualities that – in the midsize class -- outweigh the handling-balance advantages of rear-wheel drive. Note also that all-wheel drive is optional on the rival Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan and standard on the Subaru Legacy. The 2010 Accord stays with a choice of two 2.4-liter four-cylinder engines or a 3.5-liter V-6, depending on the model you choose. Expect little change in horsepower, meaning 177 and 190 with the four-cylinders, 271 with the V-6. All engines are available with manual or automatic transmission. Honda doesn’t offer a hybrid version of the Accord. It’s still smarting from the sales failure of the Accord Hybrid of 2005-2007, which placed a premium on performance rather than all-out fuel economy. Honda was preparing to offer the 2010 or 2011 Accord with a four-cylinder diesel engine that would cost less than a gas-electric hybrid system and allow this midsize car to go more than 400 miles on a single tank of fuel. But the relatively high price of diesel fuel and the diesel engine in a stinking economy shelved that plan.
Features: Accord already comes with a full array of standard safety features, and top-line models have the latest in voice-activated navigation and hands-free phone connectivity as standard. Migrating some of these premium electronics to midline models is one opportunity to enhance features for 2010. Also missing from Accord’s portfolio are a rearview camera and lane-departure-warning system, so there are chances to add value through these additions, as well.
2010 HONDA ACCORD PRICES


The 2010 Accord must stay in the $21,000-$31,000 range to reach the wide spread of buyers Honda targets, and so it will. Honda’s had success with an Accord lineup that begins with LX trim levels and ascends to EX and EX-L models -- with “L” denoting standard leather upholstery. Stand-alone options aren’t offered. The least-expensive V-6 model will likely to continue to be the $27,000 EX sedan, but the better value is the same car with the 190-horsepower four-cylinder. It’s priced just under $25,000 with automatic transmission and comes with an attractive array of features, including a power driver’s seat, heated power mirrors, power sunroof, and 17-inch alloy wheels. Only EX-L models are available with a navigation system, a satellite-linked affair with voice activation and Bluetooth connectivity for audio and cell phone.

There were no changes listed in that wall of text. You just stated random facts about the 8th Gen Accord.

-GT

It seems that info was pulled from this site: iguida.com (http://iguida.com/2010-honda-accord)

I wouldn't keep my hopes up as it looks like there is no solid basis or reliable resource stated in the information provided, sounds more like an assumption rather than confirmed fact... but who knows... :scratch:

They will probably change the design of the rear lights like they usually do every 2yrs.

So we'll have to wait till 2011 (late 2010?) for the refresh? My 07 lease is up next year and I'm not too keen on the looks of the 8 gen sedan. It has grown on me, and I keep seeing a ton of those and the new TL's, but I'm still not sure I'd get an 8th gen.

in the year 2000.....

im hoping the 8th gen stays a while...

Honda was preparing to offer the 2010 or 2011 Accord with a four-cylinder diesel engine that would cost less than a gas-electric hybrid system and allow this midsize car to go more than 400 miles on a single tank of fuel.

Hey, Honda! How about offering a 6MT with the 2.4L 4cyl like other competitors? My Mazda will easily do 450 miles on a tank in mixed city / hwy driving.

Honda used to nail these details with engineering excellence and attention to detail without fail. :(

No 8th Gen for me..........

Hey, Honda! How about offering a 6MT with the 2.4L 4cyl like other competitors? My Mazda will easily do 450 miles on a tank in mixed city / hwy driving.


.......altho my GenVII 6M will (with some difficulty) get 425 - 450 miles/tank in mixed city/fwy driving.............................a 4 cylinder with 6M attached sounds like a plan..................

New tires, new goo (GMSFM) in the 6M (no more of that dreaded 3rd gear shift hesitation). No complaints from this sailor!!!

all the best: ez sends.............

.......altho my GenVII 6M will (with some difficulty) get 425 - 450 miles/tank in mixed city/fwy driving.............................a 4 cylinder with 6M attached sounds like a plan..................

New tires, new goo (GMSFM) in the 6M (no more of that dreaded 3rd gear shift hesitation). No complaints from this sailor!!!

all the best: ez sends.............

Actually, Honda should offer the 190hp 4 cylinder with a 6 manual and some stiffer shocks. They could call it an "SE"....who would have thunk it.......:)

Hey, Honda! How about offering a 6MT with the 2.4L 4cyl like other competitors? My Mazda will easily do 450 miles on a tank in mixed city / hwy driving.

Honda used to nail these details with engineering excellence and attention to detail without fail. :(


They do offer a 2.0 (although not a 2.4) 4cyl with 6MT. If not u could actually swap out your Accord tranny for a TSX 6MT. :thmsup:

They do offer a 2.0 (although not a 2.4) 4cyl with 6MT. If not u could actually swap out your Accord tranny for a TSX 6MT. :thmsup:

What's with all the swapping? Just make a car folks want to buy.........:lmao::lmao:

They do offer a 2.0 (although not a 2.4) 4cyl with 6MT. If not u could actually swap out your Accord tranny for a TSX 6MT. :thmsup:

I almost pulled the trigger on a Civic Si with a 6MT but decided it wasn't quite grown up or refined enough for me.

In ref to EZ's comments . . . the 7th gen vehicles - 4cyl and V6 - were capable of amazing fuel economy while still offering plenty of scoot. EZ's V6 is easily capable of mid 30s on the hwy and both my 03 and 06 2.4L 5MT saw a calculated 40mpg hwy on occasion - typically returning 38 or 39mpg. :thmsup::thmsup: If Honda offered a 6MT, I have no doubt the 7th gen would have been capable of even higher numbers. Outstanding for a midsized vehicle.

The 8th gen can't match the 7th gen for such an exceptional combination of fuel economy and performance. IMO . . . A 6MT would certainly help - as long as Honda didn't hork up the ratios like they did with the 08 V6 6MT. They overlapped way too much and 6th could have been MUCH taller for better hwy cruisng.

the 7th gen vehicles - 4cyl and V6 - were capable of amazing fuel economy while still offering plenty of scoot. EZ's V6 is easily capable of mid 30s on the hwy and both my 03 and 06 2.4L 5MT saw a calculated 40mpg hwy on occasion - typically returning 38 or 39mpg. :thmsup::thmsup:

The 8th gen can't match the 7th gen for such an exceptional combination of fuel economy and performance. IMO . . .

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER. If the 8th gen was an American car, it would win Car of the Year but not a Honda. We have to keep our standards HIGH because the criticism is Honda is Japanese and thus foreign but we all know its about as close to Apple pie as ANY car is gonna get, period point blank! The one criticism even I have of Honda is their V6s are seriously over priced and even the I4 to a degree. Look at the latest JP Power and Associates Initial Quality study rankings they do every year? Well they just released those numbers in todays paper and Hyundai is showing less defects(95) per 100 vehicles then Honda (99) is! This was in today's Business section and I am sure you can google it. yes, I read the newspaper! Hyundai is the new car you buy when you want reliability without spending a lot of money!

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER. If the 8th gen was an American car, it would win Car of the Year but not a Honda.
First-off...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9186/facepalmi.gif (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/facepalmi.gif/)


Secondly...

The 8th gen' Accord was "Car of the Year" (as well as C&D's "10Best" for 2008 and 2009). Which all doesn't mean all that much, but pointing out the reality as well as correcting the mis-fact by the O.P.


Lastly...

Please omit inflammatory, denigrating, and caustic remarks in the future. Opinions & experiences and personal-preferences & subjective conclusions are one thing, as well as being most welcome on a forum/board. But, don't be so caustic & inciting w/ comments in the future. There is something to be said about dissenting thoughts, but still having cordial/congenial dialog & discourse. Therefore, consider this a warning.

Use some common-sense in the future, even get your mother/parental-guardian to edit your post next time before submitting it, if you can't control yourself. I only mention such as it's rather obvious that you can't (control yourself) because this isn't the first nor second nor third time you've been as flagrant & egregious in doing such.

This is a positive, friendly, and welcoming place. Difference of opinion can exist, as-per "let's agree to disagree"... however, being that this is a broader community, a mutual respect needs to exist- especially when majority of the active members are 8th gen' Accord owners. That is the reality.

Remember, it's not what you say - it's how you say it. Meaning, get a clue, learn, and move on w/ such in mind for the future. . .

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER. If the 8th gen was an American car, it would win Car of the Year but not a Honda. We have to keep our standards HIGH because the criticism is Honda is Japanese and thus foreign but we all know its about as close to Apple pie as ANY car is gonna get, period point blank! The one criticism even I have of Honda is their V6s are seriously over priced and even the I4 to a degree. Look at the latest JP Power and Associates Initial Quality study rankings they do every year? Well they just released those numbers in todays paper and Hyundai is showing less defects(95) per 100 vehicles then Honda (99) is! This was in today's Business section and I am sure you can google it. yes, I read the newspaper! Hyundai is the new car you buy when you want reliability without spending a lot of money!

You seem very anti-Accord, are you sure you're on the right forum??

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER.

It’s not that the 8th gen is a bad car. Because the Accord’s formula stayed constant over so many years – decades even – when this fundamental shift came along with the 8th gen, many people weren’t expecting it. It’s core values have changed focus and have alienated long time repeat buyers (like myself) when that formula changed. There are a lot of variables that contributed to the Accord’s shift in values. If you need a large roomy car, it’s still tough to beat for a lot of reasons. Honda even said in their own press releases that they hoped to lure away SUV drivers to a large roomy car. :paranoid: Come again? The Accord going after SUV drivers?!?!

The fuel economy, the size, admittedly the questionable ergonomics and interior design, . . . It just isn’t the same anymore. Throw in the fact that the competition is getting more and more competent every year - what used to be a chasm between the next best is merely a small step away.

Times change . . .

Look at the latest JP Power and Associates Initial Quality study rankings they do every year? Well they just released those numbers in todays paper and Hyundai is showing less defects(95) per 100 vehicles then Honda (99) is! This was in today's Business section and I am sure you can google it. yes, I read the newspaper! Hyundai is the new car you buy when you want reliability without spending a lot of money!

I remember reading that the quality ranking only looked at the first 90 days of ownership.

It’s not that the 8th gen is a bad car. Because the Accord’s formula stayed constant over so many years – decades even – when this fundamental shift came along with the 8th gen, many people weren’t expecting it. It’s core values have changed focus and have alienated long time repeat buyers (like myself) when that formula changed. There are a lot of variables that contributed to the Accord’s shift in values. If you need a large roomy car, it’s still tough to beat for a lot of reasons. Honda even said in their own press releases that they hoped to lure away SUV drivers to a large roomy car. :paranoid: Come again? The Accord going after SUV drivers?!?!

The fuel economy, the size, admittedly the questionable ergonomics and interior design, . . . It just isn’t the same anymore. Throw in the fact that the competition is getting more and more competent every year - what used to be a chasm between the next best is merely a small step away.

Times change . . .

You must be the only voice of reason here who is actually open-minded enough to learn something new and not be stuck in their old ways/routine.

I applaud you. :lmao:

IMHO the 8th gen sedan looks like a big, honkin car, as opposed to the 7th gen, where though it was quite roomy, it still had that sport sedan look. I haven't test driven the 8th gen, but a friend of mine who has a 7th gen did and said "its like driving an old school buick in terms of size" (his words, not mine).

I wonder how big the 9th gen will be? Every Honda Accord generation has grown larger, right?

I keep hoping the 8th gens will grow on me, as I am planning on replacing my 2003 in a couple years, but so far it hasn't happened...........:(

As far as I am concerned, there are a fair number of worthy competitors to the Accord:

Mazda 6
Hyundai Sonata/Genesis
Altima/Maxima
Camry of course
Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan
Chevy Malibu

Although many of the makes above have been around before, they are moving their sales numbers up, and those sales have to come from somewhere.

Truth be told, I miss the "old Honda" days, when they had the "cool" Accords with hideaway headlights, and the Prelude. I love my 7th gen but nothing lasts forever, right?

I don't think time has passed Honda by. The Honda Fit is a runaway success, the Civic and Accord sell well, the Odyssey is the number one selling minivan, etc. I guess we are all hoping for a real big splash one of these years..........:)

As far as I am concerned, there are a fair number of worthy competitors to the Accord:

Mazda 6



:yes::yes::yes::yes: :thmsup:

Ironically, I love this car so much because it reminds me so much of my 7th gen Accords. Mazda did a great job with the current 6: it's roomy and comfortable, fun to drive, fuel efficient (with the 6MT), excellent interior (ridiculously well laid out), . . . and I could go on. I'll just leave it at: They got the details nailed down solid. It's a very well balanced package. :)

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER. If the 8th gen was an American car, it would win Car of the Year but not a Honda. We have to keep our standards HIGH because the criticism is Honda is Japanese and thus foreign but we all know its about as close to Apple pie as ANY car is gonna get, period point blank! The one criticism even I have of Honda is their V6s are seriously over priced and even the I4 to a degree. Look at the latest JP Power and Associates Initial Quality study rankings they do every year? Well they just released those numbers in todays paper and Hyundai is showing less defects(95) per 100 vehicles then Honda (99) is! This was in today's Business section and I am sure you can google it. yes, I read the newspaper! Hyundai is the new car you buy when you want reliability without spending a lot of money!

Don't think it sucks. The Accord, even in the 8th gen for, is still a very good car at the top of it's class no doubt. A lot of us just wanted more evolution from the 7th gen, akin the huge leap forward that was made going into 2003. In that respect, the 8th gen was a huge letdown. There weren't any big ticket technological or innovative new convenience or safety items, no sort of advancement in driving dynamics (if anything, they took a nosedive), and top it off, they took BMW's design language and made a failed attempt at emulating it.

The Accord and Camry are hopefully going to have one big competitor starting in a little over a year - the new Volkswagen NMS. Don't let their small marketshare here have you thinking otherwise, the VW Group is nearly twice the size of Honda and has more engineers than Toyota. We'll see, but it looks like an appetizing and hopefully class-bar setting car (the Passat has always been superior in refinement and driving dynamics to the Honda Accord, it was too costly to sell here). Competition is never bad, and hopefully this car will force Honda to upgrade the cheap interior of the 8th gen, or upgrade the poor Buick road feel, or at least offer a diesel TDI option (VW wants 30% of the sedan to be TDIs) now that the car, unlike the premium priced Passat, is at pricing parity with the Japanese.

They will probably change the design of the rear lights like they usually do every 2yrs.

Exactly! This is what they did after the 2003-2004 models:

2003-2004
http://images5.ecarlist.com/photos/1431/358464/640/04.jpg

2005
http://photos.ebizautos.com/7538/4017024/4017024_10.jpg

And the only reason the 2006-2007 got that extensive rear end work was the very underwhelming response Honda got from their focus groups. Otherwise look at the totally minimal changes they did to the 98-2002 model years because the car was almost perfect!

And the only reason the 2006-2007 got that extensive rear end work was the very underwhelming response Honda got from their focus groups. Otherwise look at the totally minimal changes they did to the 98-2002 model years because the car was almost perfect!

Minus the auto tranny.

This is why the 8th gen sucks. The verdict is in. IF a new gen cant offer anything equal to the above AND it sucks in looks, its a BIG LOSER. If the 8th gen was an American car, it would win Car of the Year but not a Honda. We have to keep our standards HIGH because the criticism is Honda is Japanese and thus foreign but we all know its about as close to Apple pie as ANY car is gonna get, period point blank! The one criticism even I have of Honda is their V6s are seriously over priced and even the I4 to a degree. Look at the latest JP Power and Associates Initial Quality study rankings they do every year? Well they just released those numbers in todays paper and Hyundai is showing less defects(95) per 100 vehicles then Honda (99) is! This was in today's Business section and I am sure you can google it. yes, I read the newspaper! Hyundai is the new car you buy when you want reliability without spending a lot of money!

The JD Power & Associates initial quality study is really dumb. First of all it only looks at the first 90 days of ownership. Second, it looks at opinionated things like styling and complaints. (Plenum grill killed acura) If someone complains about the mpg of the car it lowers the score for the company. I bet if they held a 5 year quality study Hyundai would be at the bottom. Before you attack me, I am considering the Genesis to be my next car but the 100,000 mile warranty is the reason and I would sell it after 4 years anyway. (because reliability is still a wash) I think the 8th gen is certainly a better looking car than the 7th Gen. However I think if it had the rear of the 7th gen-post MMC it would really be nice. Likewise, the line running down the side of the 8th gen detracts from what could be a very very nice design.

Hyundai is targeting Toyota not Honda, especially in wanting to be a big company. (Toyota should be scared as they compete for the same buyer) However, just as Toyota has realized that being big isn't great Hyundai will one day realize it too.

Mazda is targeting Honda if anything. Honda has always kept to its roots of being a small car company. They dont care about being the biggest, all they care about is being Honda: fun, reliable, efficient.

The Accord and Camry are hopefully going to have one big competitor starting in a little over a year - the new Volkswagen NMS. Don't let their small marketshare here have you thinking otherwise, the VW Group is nearly twice the size of Honda and has more engineers than Toyota. We'll see, but it looks like an appetizing and hopefully class-bar setting car (the Passat has always been superior in refinement and driving dynamics to the Honda Accord, it was too costly to sell here). Competition is never bad, and hopefully this car will force Honda to upgrade the cheap interior of the 8th gen, or upgrade the poor Buick road feel, or at least offer a diesel TDI option (VW wants 30% of the sedan to be TDIs) now that the car, unlike the premium priced Passat, is at pricing parity with the Japanese.

That may be true, but VW still has a ways to go in reliability to get to Accord reliability status. I know they have been working feverishly to that end, as quality is improving for everyone. I'll give VW credit in handling and interiors over Accord, heck their electronics match Acura, yet in a much cheaper car.

The import carmakers are intensely competitive. Hyundai has made huge strides versus a few years ago, even Kia is selling more cars than ever. I think Mazda has a nice look to it, and their reliability seems to be improving...........LOTS of choices out there...........:)

.....as the perceived "gap" between 7th/8th generations is expressed and more fully defined by those who take the time to get into it...............

As an aside, my take on J30A5's views - to be sure, they were very directly stated, were not really offensive. The blast from the Lone Star state was - in my opionion - really premature overkill. PC in view Gen8 forum population?

Again, this has been a very interesting addition to the forum to me.

all the best, ez.... (whose 7th Gen 6M has topped 40 mpg in the flat AZ desert - while retaining 14.5 second QM ET potential). Hard numbers. Not impossible to surpass.....but not likely by a Gen8.

all the best, ez.... (whose 7th Gen 6M has topped 40 mpg in the flat AZ desert - while retaining 14.5 second QM ET potential). Hard numbers. Not impossible to surpass.....but not likely by a Gen8.
Right, and wrong. That "40mpg" jaunt is impressive by a 7th gen' Accord coupe 6-6, and likely not possible w/ a larger & marginally heavier and noticeably more powerful 8th gen' Accord coupe 6-6. Given some time & inclination, I see no reason why similar high mpg # can not be achieved, if in the right situation/environment. But "14.5 second QM ET" is easily matched & trumped by enthusiasts & their bone-stock 8th gen' Accord 6-6 coupe.

I'm not an 8th gen' sympathizer nor apologist, but what I am is fair/rational/open-minded.

BTW, all of you people that quote these mind-boggling mpg figures, what are the rest of the details (ie. carrying-load, fuel type, A/C on or off, speed, cruise-control on or off, OEM/stock or after-market tires, where/when, etc')? I never get anywhere close to any of those hyper-mile'like figures in any of my vehicles ever in nearly 20yrs of driving, regardless of the platform/circumstance. Sure, there maybe a short instance of ~40mpg here & there while cruising at 55mph on the insterstate w/ the A/C off & no passengers, and so on (anomalous situations, never the norm). . .

But "14.5 second QM ET" is easily matched & trumped by enthusiasts & their bone-stock 8th gen' Accord 6-6 coupe.

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Yeah, who buys a 6-6 anyway A small minority who want to race aka irrelevant.

I think you are a 8th gen sympathizer and apologist ESPECIALLY is you've owned all the Hondas you said you did in your sig.

Put it to you this way, my 7th gen v6 AUTOMATIC would easily win in anything an 8th gen AT can do and even in looks. Is this what YOU'VE COME TO EXPECT,APOLOGIZE and SYMPATHIZE with with the 8th gen? I think you let your money speak where your mouth is and ahmen. To all other rational and sensible Honda minds, as you were...

Yeah, who buys a 6-6 anyway A small minority who want to race aka irrelevant.I was just commenting in regards to what ezshift5 said, as his sig' states "2005 Accord EX V-6 Coupe 6M" & they were speaking in the context of their own 6-6 Accord coupe. How is that irrelevant? :dunno:

I think you are a 8th gen sympathizer and apologist ESPECIALLY is you've owned all the Hondas you said you did in your sig.lolz... this is the only 2nd brand-new Accord I've ever owned. I've owned more NSX'es than Accords, FWIW. Sympathizer? Apologist? Ha! More like balanced, rational, and cerebral... unlike others! ;)

Put it to you this way, my 7th gen v6 AUTOMATIC would easily win in anything an 8th gen AT can do and even in looks.Hey, good for ya! Kudos. Whoopee. Cheer'io. TaDow. Damn skippy. Booyah. Happy? :)

Can your dad beat-up mine; also, is your bf/partner/husband better looking than me too? See a parallel of that to what I quoted above?

I'm not gonna lose sleep over or get bent out of shape if you're more pleased w/ your 7th gen' Accord coupe than an 8th gen' Accord coupe. It's known as personal preference, free-will, market-based economy, and taste. And I respect & recognize that, unlike others. I have no spite towards 7th gen' Accords, nor anyone else for that matter. Unsure how/why others can get so viscerally wound-up over such trivialities to put down other people's choice of vehicles.

All I do is interject & offer my insight (and correction, if need-be) where/when necessary, as when things are mis-stated, facts are incorrect, and potentially inflammatory/caustic statements are made.

To all other rational and sensible Honda minds, as you were...If you got a problem w/ me or what I say or have said, then please PM me. I look fwd to it. However, stop w/ the off-hand/under-cuff remarks publicly towards me. I'm quite sure others don't care to see such. Keep it personal, and send it to me instead... k?

But, also please refrain from belittling others & making antagonistic statements (as previously in this thread that you were warned about, as well as in other threads in the past).

You simply escalate situations, as well create a a divergent/polar environment w/ such posts (as the one earlier in this thread). There is no need for this divide in such a pleasant, sociable community. If you want drama/tension or to stir the pot while adding some spice/sizzle, then find another place to do such. I'd like to think I'm somewhat well-versed & aware of what the forum admin' wish for to be exhibited & displayed on the board they created, maintain, and finance. And let me tell you, it's far from the polarizing, put-down, and tense/shock causing things you've often posted in regards to a myriad of topics. Driveaccord is an unique place, much different than the ubiquitous online automotive forum. Meaning, a community is only as good as it's members. . .

Say what you wish, just amend how you say it. Is that so difficult? There are limitless ways to acknowledge how the 7th gen' Accord coupe was the right choice for you, and to vent about how you personally feel that the 8th gen' Accord platform may be this or that. But, do it civilly & w/o forceful & demeaning statements. Be insightful, not inciteful [sic]. Hope all this makes sense to you, and you can move on from all this as a much more positive, congenial, and better contributing member of this great forum.

And again, if you got a beef w/ me or anyone else, don't hide behind blanketed misdirected words or veiled assertions. Just drop me/them a line, and that's that! :cool:

Yeah, who buys a 6-6 anyway A small minority who want to race aka irrelevant.



um...how about a small minority that prefers power over MGP and enjoys driving.

um...how about a small minority that prefers power over MGP and enjoys driving.

:thumbsup:.....If it wasn't for cost and availability, I bet a large majority of 4 cly 5sp owners would opt for the 6-6. Just look at the sigs...lol: LMAO I bought my FWD honda accord 6-6 to race....ARE YOU SERIOUS?........After reading all of this thread, I smell a TROLL........:thumbsdow

Had my 2009 Accord for a few months now and I am quite happy with it. I have also looked at the 2009 versions of:
- Acura TL, the new design of the TL is just great IMO but too expensive for an Acura
- Inifinity G37, also too expensive and just as close to average as a Honda
- Lexus IS350, too small (I'm 6'3" and the ES350 is way too retirement home looking).

I bought the Honda because I like the design, got great options and didn't feel like paying a premium ($7k+) for the things I don't have in my Honda: perforated leather seats, backup camera and the smart key access with push button engine start.

So, I like my new Accord so much that I am taking the time to write about it!

i like my 8th gen coupe :) that is all

Osiris you have an NSX? pics please? lol

I guess you could go back and forth between the 7th and 8th gen all day. But I do know that if the 9th gen is bigger than the 8th then this will definitely be my last Accord. I think the current TSX is the size that the Accord needs to be.

I guess you could go back and forth between the 7th and 8th gen all day. But I do know that if the 9th gen is bigger than the 8th then this will definitely be my last Accord. I think the current TSX is the size that the Accord needs to be.

IMO, and judging by the price of fuels these last few years, I would bet it would not get any bigger than the current 8th gen. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see it get smaller, putting it back(7th gen) in the GOV. mid size class again.

IMO, and judging by the price of fuels these last few years, I would bet it would not get any bigger than the current 8th gen. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see it get smaller, putting it back(7th gen) in the GOV. mid size class again.

Honda, arguably once an industry leader with engines, needs to get back to roots and show us some innovation. How about an A-VTEC, direct inject engine with a 6 speed transmission? Not that this an excuse to let the Accord bloat even more, but even a larger vehicle can be fuel efficient. I know Honda can do it. Question is why have they been letting the rest of the auto industry innovations slip by them? :(

IMO, and judging by the price of fuels these last few years, I would bet it would not get any bigger than the current 8th gen. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see it get smaller, putting it back(7th gen) in the GOV. mid size class again.

I thought EVERY generation got bigger than the last. Maybe I'll get a TSX, now they are finally the size for me to fit into......:thmsup:

Maybe I'll get a TSX, now they are finally the size for me to fit into......:thmsup:

you can also get a v6 in the tsx next MY, 2010.:thmsup:

Honda, arguably once an industry leader with engines, needs to get back to roots and show us some innovation. How about an A-VTEC, direct inject engine with a 6 speed transmission? Not that this an excuse to let the Accord bloat even more, but even a larger vehicle can be fuel efficient. I know Honda can do it. Question is why have they been letting the rest of the auto industry innovations slip by them? :(

Because they have limited engineering resources.

I remember reading that the lack of a 6AT was directly the result of limited engineering resources.

I wouldn't call innovation for innovation's sake good. The 2010 Buick LaCrosse I4 makes 180 HP and 172 lb-ft of torque using direct injection. The K24 in the Acura TSX makes 201 HP and 172 lb-ft of torque, albeit with premium fuel, and the Nissan QR25DE makes 175 HP and a whopping 180 lb-ft of torque. Neither the Honda nor the Nissan engines use direct injection.

Honda has produced innovations in recent years:

The hydrogen-powered FCX Clarity has no peer. Other companies do have hydrogen vehicles, but none as sophisticated as the Clarity. If hydrogen takes off, Honda will be far far ahead of the competition.

The 2010 Insight is an engineering marvel. Its not the most technologically advanced hybrid, but the engineering work that went into make it low cost, yet efficient and useful, is admirable.

The ACE body structure is impressive. Compare the front crash results of a Honda versus a Toyota vehicle. In every trauma index, the Honda driver and passenger are far less likely to suffer injury. The Fit's passenger compartment will remain intact after a frontal collision with a mid-size sedan. A Yaris will turn its passengers into pancakes after a similar collision.

The 6AT will be here in the fall. I'm hoping for a new V6 engine... the J series is getting old, and a lot of people say that VCM saps the performance of the engine compared to the non-VCM models.

The 2010 Insight is an engineering marvel. Its not the most technologically advanced hybrid, but the engineering work that went into make it low cost, yet efficient and useful, is admirable.

The ACE body structure is impressive. Compare the front crash results of a Honda versus a Toyota vehicle. In every trauma index, the Honda driver and passenger are far less likely to suffer injury. The Fit's passenger compartment will remain intact after a frontal collision with a mid-size sedan. A Yaris will turn its passengers into pancakes after a similar collision.


1. Honda's hybrid systems are much less complex that Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive. I am not a fan of the Insight. It was an endeavor to see how cheap you could build a vehicle. Interior is terrible, road noise is horrendous (almost as if they used no noise insulation to cut costs), and the general design is almost like a Me-too Prius...not a fan

2. Fact is the Fit and Yaris both recieved "poor" ratings for the frontal crash test. Neither are particularly safe vehicles for any sort of collision.

1. Honda's hybrid systems are much less complex that Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive. I am not a fan of the Insight. It was an endeavor to see how cheap you could build a vehicle. Interior is terrible, road noise is horrendous (almost as if they used no noise insulation to cut costs), and the general design is almost like a Me-too Prius...not a fan

2. Fact is the Fit and Yaris both recieved "poor" ratings for the frontal crash test. Neither are particularly safe vehicles for any sort of collision.

Car & Driver test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/hatchbacks/2010_honda_insight_vs_2010_toyota_prius_1998_chevy _metro_comparison_test+page-4.html)

The Insight wins this comparo because it’s more a car than a cocoon-like transport module. Its cloth seats are comfortable, with more lateral support than the Prius’s. The HVAC controls are integrated into one huge rotary knob with easy-to-read icons. There’s a real tach. Offering appropriate heft and satisfactory accuracy, the steering feels connected to actual wheels. The brake pedal is firmer and less quirky by a factor of, oh, five. Body motions are few, the suspension is tight and difficult to disrupt, and someone has even dialed in a touch of lift-throttle oversteer to help rotate that cliff of a tail.

It drives much much better than a Prius.

Frontal Crash data (Safercar.gov)

Fit:
Head Injury Criterion 312 336
Chest deceleration (g's) 39 39
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 148 / 116 919 / 528

Yaris 5-door liftback
Head Injury Criterion 427 485
Chest deceleration (g's) 45 48
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 1110 / 636 386 / No Data

Which car would you rather ride in? Even if the Fit isn't particularly great against a midsize sedan, the fact is that the Yaris will f*ck you up much worse.

.......altho my GenVII 6M will (with some difficulty) get 425 - 450 miles/tank in mixed city/fwy driving.............................a 4 cylinder with 6M attached sounds like a plan..................

New tires, new goo (GMSFM) in the 6M (no more of that dreaded 3rd gear shift hesitation). No complaints from this sailor!!!

all the best: ez sends.............
Tell me about the Wildcat in the picture.

Car & Driver test (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/hatchbacks/2010_honda_insight_vs_2010_toyota_prius_1998_chevy _metro_comparison_test+page-4.html)



It drives much much better than a Prius.

Frontal Crash data (Safercar.gov)

Fit:
Head Injury Criterion 312 336
Chest deceleration (g's) 39 39
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 148 / 116 919 / 528

Yaris 5-door liftback
Head Injury Criterion 427 485
Chest deceleration (g's) 45 48
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 1110 / 636 386 / No Data

Which car would you rather ride in? Even if the Fit isn't particularly great against a midsize sedan, the fact is that the Yaris will f*ck you up much worse.


1. Integrated Motor Assist is MUCH less complex than Toyota's system. However, I really could care less, I would never drive a weasing hybrid to start, but my reasons for disliking the Insight have nothing to do with the powertrain; it's the horrendous build quality, shoddy interior construction, and general feel of corners cut.

2. The Honda Fit, Smart Fortwo, and Toyota Yaris are good performers in the IIHS's frontal offset barrier test, but all three are poor performers in the frontal collisions with midsize cars reflecting small mass vs. large mass principles.

Injuries depend on the forces that act on the occupants and both the weight and length (crush space) of a vehicle determine how high deceleration is experienced during an impact. The greater the change, the greater the forces on the occupants and the higher the injury risk.

The death rate in 1-3-year-old mini-cars in multiple-vehicle crashes during 2007 was almost twice as high as the rate in very large cars.

Bottom line these are not safe cars in any sort of collision. The fact that the Daimler "Smart" performs at PARITY with the Yaris/Fit, while being less than half the size, shows you how far Mercedes went to engineer the cage. Just imagine what they could do with a "FIT"-sized vehicle...Oh wait, there are the A and B-Class models, and they are SOLID performers in all crash tests. Like I said, the Fit, with it's 'ACE' body structure, doesn't seem much more than marketing hype.

1. Integrated Motor Assist is MUCH less complex than Toyota's system. However, I really could care less, I would never drive a weasing hybrid to start, but my reasons for disliking the Insight have nothing to do with the powertrain; it's the horrendous build quality, shoddy interior construction, and general feel of corners cut.

No worries, diesel is the future......:lmao:

Bottom line these are not safe cars in any sort of collision. The fact that the Daimler "Smart" performs at PARITY with the Yaris/Fit, while being less than half the size, shows you how far Mercedes went to engineer the cage. Just imagine what they could do with a "FIT"-sized vehicle...Oh wait, there are the A and B-Class models, and they are SOLID performers in all crash tests. Like I said, the Fit, with it's 'ACE' body structure, doesn't seem much more than marketing hype.

Would you rather be in a serious crash in a FIT of a SMART CAR? :dunno:

Tuolumne, I'll spell it out for you again:

Fit:
Head Injury Criterion 312 336
Chest deceleration (g's) 39 39
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 148 / 116 919 / 528

Yaris 5-door liftback
Head Injury Criterion 427 485
Chest deceleration (g's) 45 48
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 1110 / 636 386 / No Data

The Fit's crash test #'s show FAR less severe loads on the test dummy than the Yaris. ACE is not marketing hype. It is proven to work.

Frankly, you are full of shit if you think the SmartForTwo performs "at parity" with the Yaris and Fit in frontal collisions.

Smart ForTwo (safercar.gov):
Head Injury Criterion 531 644
Chest deceleration (g's) 55 59
Femur load l/r1 (lb) 1282 / 1461 921 / 536

With head injury criterion that is 200-300 WORSE than the Fit, 15 G MORE chest deceleration, you'd have to be delusional to think that the Smart ForTwo is at parity with the Fit.

I was told by honda corp rep they are not going to change the style 2014

2 new colors...Bali Blue Pearl and Dark Cherry Pearl

Standard Bluetooth on all EX-L models

Redesigned HVAC controls and upgraded interior trim

Rear HVAC vents added to the EX

More trunk insulation added to the EX

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2 new colors...Bali Blue Pearl and Dark Cherry Pearl

Standard Bluetooth on all EX-L models



I hope it will be properly integrated with the radio.

Would be nice if the performance will be upgraded as well . . . both for voice recognition and phone compatibility.

the new "improved trim" on the 2010 Ex ,now features black plastic console, where mine has an almost dark metal look to it, also on the ac vents, the Ex gave you a silver trim in the middle, where now it is black plastic, the way the Lx model was last year..however the rear AC vents are a real nice feature

I am greatly confused, I am reading that some of you guys don't like the styling of the 8th gen? What is wrong with it .. I like that it looks like a bmw its also not a failed attempt in my opinion!!

I will reread this thread since I just shimmed through it!

I am greatly confused, I am reading that some of you guys don't like the styling of the 8th gen? What is wrong with it .. I like that it looks like a bmw its also not a failed attempt in my opinion!!

I will reread this thread since I just shimmed through it!

:lmao:

Read thru it all hehe, Ok maybe it doesnt look like a bmw but i personally like the design of the accord 7 & 8 gen.