So i really wana drop my car but its seems so confusing with all the things you have to do. Like if you get the HFP suspension you have to get something else to make it work. For Eibach, you need to change somthin later on because of it. What is the easiest way to drop a car and the cheapest but with the best drop (quality and height)??

thnks in advance

PS> i did search but couldnt find anythin specific

A safe drop is no drop :)

Stick with eibachs

Like if you get the HFP suspension you have to get something else to make it work.

Not necessarily true. Yes, when you lower your car you will have rear negative camber. This is common. If you want to adjust the rear camber then you would purchase a rear camber kit. If you have a 6 cylinder coupe go with the HFP. You get a full setup-not just springs and you can get a warranty if it's installed by a Honda dealer.

HFP since you have a V6

i know where youre coming from.. youre only 16 years old as well right.. youre NOT going to be satisfied with HFP suspension.. dont get it.. i dont believe that you need the Honda warranty.. if you plan to get HFP suspension, dont just get coilovers.. its slightly more but youll be happy.. Coilovers have dampers too so its completely adjustable to make the ride smooth.. I just lowered my car on Tanabe springs and i can feel the road about 50% more.. i like it anyways though lol.. if you have the money, get some coilovers cus theyre the best way to go.. and with any springs/coilovers youre going to get negative camber regardless so just get a spc rear camber kit for the rear

if you dont want coilovers.. get any of the springs out and just get a camber kit.. youre not going to be happy with the HFP suspension.. its such a mild drop.. and if you get rims later with a lower profile tire.. its going to make it LOOK the same as before you lowered it.. after i changed rims.. i could put 4 1/2 fingers for the front.. i know fingers differ from everyone but that wheel gap was HUGE and looked nasty

I read this posting expecting to see a photo of a safe dropping on a car. Boy was I let down!

I read this posting expecting to see a photo of a safe dropping on a car. Boy was I let down!

I originally didn't expect that photo, but now I too am disappointed.

coilovers are the way to go. You can adjust the height to whatever you want and the dampening for softness or stiffness. Getting a rear camber kit isnt that big of a deal.

thanks for all comments, the HFP is too little of drop for me but it was the reliablilty of it that is luring me into it. I'm not that smart with all the details of droppin a car so thats why im a little confused. I just wasnt lookin to spend around $1000 for a drop but i guess the best way is to do tht with tein or megan.

but if i get eibach, what do i have to do later on? or H&R bcaus i like the lower drop, but i dont wna freak out 20,000 miles after and my car just like falls apart!!!

I have Eibach Pro-Kit. Threw those babies on about 10,000 miles ago. The only thing I did after installing the springs was have my car aligned at the dealership. I have had ZERO issues with camber, toe, ride quality or the OEM struts.

Your car will not fall apart just because you switch out your stock springs for Eibachs. The drop is subtle (~1.1 inches) but still makes a world of difference in terms of looks and performance. Read my thread about the Pro-Kit by clicking the mod link in my sig for more info.

As everyone on DA.net is well aware by now, I am all about the Pro-kit, and as such, cast my vote accordingly. Plus, if funds are tight, they are a quarter of the cost of an entire coil-over set up. (About $200 v. $1000)

I have the pro kit as well. However, as much as I love them, they'll have to come off eventually.The stock struts, suspension will wear out sooner due to the aftermarket eibach springs. You'll know when the struts are done for when your ride is bouncing up and down. As I said before, with the HFP suspension, you'll be getting a whole new suspension. You only get springs with the PRO kit. The Pro kit and HFP will give you the same subtle drop. I'll be getting coilovers soon. Before the I get the bouncy ride. Correct me if i'm wrong fellas.

I agree for the most part. I will eventually go with coil-overs as well (probably next summer when I get my wheels/tires upgraded). But I don't think it's an eventuality that your stock struts will go bad. You increase the likelihood some by changing to aftermarket springs, but I don't think one necessarily leads to the other 100% of the time. If struts are a big concern for the OP then a full coil-over kit or the HFP is the way to go.

what do u guys feel about H&R springs??

what do u guys feel about H&R springs??

H&R will lower your car a bit more than the the Pro Kit. But it will put more stress, pressure on your stock suspension, struts.

so its not recommended to get it?? and why is it worse?

I'm on H&R's right now. Been on em for 3 months. No issues at all. Rides like stock.

What are u expecting your car to do like 20.000 miles or so down the road?

Nothing stock shocks are good. A guy on here is runing custom 98 Ground Control coilovers on stock shocks for like 45,000 miles. If anything I'm going coilovers case I want to go lower... Not sure which ones yet.

but you dont think ur stock struts are gona wear out after 20 or 30 thousand, because the thought of havin to spend the money on stuff like that just randomly in a year or 2 frightens me and is the only thing stoppin me from gettin my car lowered

If you want to do it right get coilovers. If you don't have the funds you'll be ok with springs and it's like 1/3 of the price. I haven't heard a single member blow there shocks by lowering there car with any springs...

I just picked up my 08 Sedan EX I4, but on my 99 Civic EX I used Eibach's Pro Kit at about 20k and at 130k the struts are just starting to show signs of needing replaced.

Alec, everyone here has given you ALL of the information and more.. I know you were considering doing this many months ago cus you created a thread too.. everyone has told you the same thing..COILOVERS if you dont want to worry about your shit later.. coilovers + camber kit.. or springs + camber kit and replace shocks later in time.. you ask about different springs.. pretty much EVERY SPRING out for our cars are pretty subtle drops

Yea im startin to see that COILOVERS are the way , but soo $$$$$, what are the best ones, Tein or Megan?? and Where can i find the best camber kit cause i searched and couldnt find anything specific??

SPC 3 arm kit is the way to go. If your interested I can get you good prices on this camber kit just PM me.

I just bought Tein Htech springs. They will be installed Friday. And I have honda HFP 19" with 245/40 yokohamas. Ill post pics over the weekend. I couldnt justify sinking $1000 for something so subtle. They are only quoted to lower the car. 1.1 and 0.8.

I just bought Tein Htech springs. They will be installed Friday. And I have honda HFP 19" with 245/40 yokohamas. Ill post pics over the weekend. I couldnt justify sinking $1000 for something so subtle. They are only quoted to lower the car. 1.1 and 0.8.

Your springs didn't come with shocks. When you blow one out soon or later(chances are sooner with the bigger/heavier wheels), the price with end up being the same or more.:dunno:

I wasn't going to get the hfp kit (was holding out for the Tien coils), till I got it for 650 shipped. It was a package deal from a DA member that included the 5 speakers in my sig and OEM wheel locks. Looking back, I am glad I did, The car was brand new(600 miles when installed), so the hfp kit made sense with the 36k warranty.

Your springs didn't come with shocks. When you blow one out soon or later(chances are sooner with the bigger/heavier wheels), the price with end up being the same or more.:dunno:

I wasn't going to get the hfp kit (was holding out for the Tien coils), till I got it for 650 shipped. It was a package deal from a DA member that included the 5 speakers in my sig and OEM wheel locks. Looking back, I am glad I did, The car was brand new(600 miles when installed), so the hfp kit made sense with the 36k warranty.

The HFP kit doesnt fit the Sedan thats what I wanted to do. If you have a manual tranny you could get the complete kit shipped for under $500 from collegehillshonda.com

DUH, I forgot that sedan doesn't have a kit.....:blush::tongue:

Go with COIL OVERS!!!!

So when you drop your vehicle with coilovers, is it manditory to put the car on some scales to make sure the car is weighted correctly ?

H & R's gave the pretty perfect drop on my 04 Si...they do their homework with spring rates and how low you'll end up. I know for extreme drop you'll want neuspeed race springs...and tein's always a great option.

I personally will probably never again drop a car unless it's on coilovers...and tein's at that. That's just my experience though.

hfp suspension...i love it

I get this question all the time in PMs regarding the coilovers...

I decided to post my opinion on this here in this thread.

Please no one take offense to it if you have some of the setups I have a distaste with below.

I only outline my reasoning and opinion and this doesn't mean in any way that the other setups aren't good options they just aren't what I would do based on my own past experiences.

Its a long read but to camber kit or not to camber kit, springs or coilovers or hfp are questions that are asked a lot and I think this sums up my opinion very well...

First, I've now had 4 lowered cars. When this group buy is done, I will be on my 5th.

When you put lowering springs on a car, the first thing to consider is that shops will generally charge you more to install. Simply beacuse when they take apart your suspension they get one big piece that is your strut/spring combo. They must then take that apart which takes spring compressors etc... in order to replace the springs. Ultimately you will be using your stock springs/struts though. The cost wont be A LOT more expensive, but more expensive nonetheless.

Those stock springs and struts aren't designed to be used with shorter springs. They aren't able to fully decompress beacuse of the lower height of the car and ultimately will make them wear faster. How much faster? It depends on how much work your suspension gets either with bad roads or with spirited driving.

Ultimately though you will have to replace those struts/shocks sooner than you would if you left it stock.... and when you do decide to replace them, what do you replace them with? right now I dont belive that there are aftermarket shocks/struts usually made by brands such as Tokico or Koni for the Accord. I could be wrong but I haven't seen anyone with them and I haven't taken much time to research that. So if I'm right and aftermarket struts aren't available that would work with the shorter springs, your option then is only going back for another set of OEM shocks struts, which I dont have to tell you will be extremely expensive.

So these are my concerns with Springs such as the H&R Springs, Eibach Pro-kit, Eibach Sport Line, or Tein S-Techs etc...

Another thing to consider is the cost of installing another set of shocks later on, means labor to take the whole thing apart, another alignment etc...


With this you will need a camber kit. Likely the 1 arm kit will do the job which will cost you roughly $150 or so. This will get your setup in check.

Another option as you know is the HFP suspension.... direct from honda lowering springs that COME with shocks/struts designed to deal with a spring that will lower the car 1"..... My gripe with this setup is that 1" is simply barely a drop at all. Its definitly not enough to get rid of the gap, its maybe enough to reduce it. Its a good option if you're in an area ridden with potholes etc.. but other than that I feel that for its cost which is expensive, at around $900 is a whopping number that at best you get a mediocre drop with zero adjustability. The pluses are that you dont have to worry about struts wearing out prematurely and it doesn't have an effect on factory warranty. For the cost though in my opinion its just simply a huge waste of money, again unless you're in a really rough area, or if you can find it for a HUGE discount.

So what are you left with? Coilovers....

Well the coilovers I think are your best option, yes you spend more money up front but at least you dont have to worry about premature strut wear, you have FULL adjustability to make it as agressive or as soft as you'd like. All for usually less than the price of the HFP suspension.

The other negative to it is I would suggest getting the 3 arm camber kit which will give you the adjustability you need to control your camber no matter how low you go.... this will run you roughly $360 putting it a little over the top of the cost of the HFP suspension but look at what you have for it? FULL adjustability that means you can be as conservative as the HFP if you want, and if living/road conditions change in the future you can drop it as low as you want.

For this reason I really can't figure out why anyone would buy the HFP suspension unless warranty and the extra hundred bucks or so for the coilovers are a concern. In my opinion the coilover component of your suspension while important, isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of your suspension and it truely shouldn't cause any trouble that warranty concerns should be an issue.


Mystick6 and I think a few others are looking into Ground Control. While they are cheaper for a coilover setup, you will need aftermarket struts/shocks to go with these as they do not come with anything but the spring/perch/coilover setup. Having said that, I guess there must be a company out there selling aftermarket performance struts for the Accord, and perhaps they would be able to shed some light on that part of it.

Even still though I can't imagine a set of 4 would be much cheaper than $350. Add that to $350 for ground controls in the first place and you're up to about $700 for a complete coilover adjustable system. I have these on my Prelude and I cannot tell you how disatisifed I am with them, even with having some of the nicer struts you can buy out there, Tokico Illumina 5 way adjustables. The car just rides like shit, feels a lot more sloppy. As a result I think there is something to said about a full coiliover setup that comes with struts DESIGNED to work with the actual adjustable perches/springs that come with the system. Ultimately I'm not sure that there is much of a difference but given the whole setup costing around $700, I cannot see why one wouldn't put in about $100 more and end up with a set of Megans or Tein Basics. Of course this is valid at these costs, if Mystick6 or others are able to get a much better deal my reasoning here starts to falter a bit.

One more topic to touch breifly on, many people in thier questions to me about which suspension setup to go with, mention the size of the wheels that they are planning on getting, 19's or 20's.

Majority of us on this forum know this but I want to mention it here for anyone that may be reading this without much knowledge on how this works...

When you add larger wheels to a car, you're enlarging the size of the wheel, not the overal size of the entire wheel/tire... The larger the wheel, the skinnier the tire. But the overall package remains the same diameter, as it must in order to maintain speedometer accuracy. So whether you do 19's or 20's it doesn't matter in terms of your suspension choice. It is the same size of stuff that will be in those wheel wells....

What will give you trouble is the width of the wheels you choose. If your'e too wide, an agressive drop may make the wheels rub. The accord, especially the coupe has massive wheel wells that make 20's sometimes look barely adequate. Unless you're going extremely agressive, even with the coilovers and a really low drop you'll likely be fine.

If you're concerned about your wheel width for your drop thats a discussion for another topic.


Bottom line, 19" or 20" diameters shouldn't affect what suspension you decide to ultimately go with.


Again I want to state clearly that these are MY opinions and its not meant to shit on anyone with Ground Controls, Springs, or the HFP kit....

The OP wants to know what we think is the best safe drop and these are my opinons.

Any qeustions comments concerns, fire away! :thumbsup:

I decided Ground Control's suck because you can only adjust them up to 2 inches. But I called Tokico and they told me they might have shocks available for the 2008 and up Accord by late next year. So looks like I got to save up for some Teins or Megans...

very nice write-up, starbai. i learned in 5 minutes what I have attempted to piece together over the past 2 wks re: lowering. this is sticky-worthy, thanks.

final decision: one more year in pothole hell (ie. cleveland, OH) = no eibach drop. probably no new wheels to replace the 16 inch hubbies either. =( fml

very nice write-up, starbai. I learned in 5 minutes what i have attempted to piece together over the past 2 wks

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