Go test drive a base Kia Rio.

When you get back into your car, all of those "terrible" problems you have wont seem quite as bad... trust me :D

All most anything I drive, makes me feel great about having my accord.

Toyota, Nissan, etc

Go test drive a base Kia Rio.

When you get back into your car, all of those "terrible" problems you have wont seem quite as bad... trust me :D

That might explain why the local Kia dealer runs an ad with a guy in a gorilla suit jumping around in front of a Rio.

KIA dealers in CLE have done several "buy a Sedona/Sorrento, get a Rio free" deals. I've seen very few Rio models on the road around here, but a decent number of the vans/suvs.

Kia is so yuck! Even my dad refused to get me that car, and he drives the 80s lincoln town cars. lol

Or...you can drive a new Hyundai Genesis sedan and see how crappy the Honda is :)

I will be going to the dealer to snatch one of those up, trading the accord in. kia is all about performance which I like, looks much more aggressive than my coupe also. Can't go wrong with a kia rio!

Or...you can drive a new Hyundai Genesis sedan and see how crappy the Honda is :)

Somehow I am not at the point where I would even pay over $25K for ANY Hyundai never mind $35k Trade in is still abysmal

he he would i ever drive in a kia or hyundai, um no i love my life. heres to driving dirty

LOL i wouldnt wana pay over 4,000 for any Hyundai aka Known as a disposable car in my area :), it would drop my self respect and my reputaion in the area haha " man why you driving a hyundai! what happen to the accord" lmao...besides its korean and i would never trust there cars even if it looks better then a mercedes or drives better then a enzo. I just dont like that company or Kia...

Kia is so yuck! Even my dad refused to get me that car, and he drives the 80s lincoln town cars. lol

how old are you, if you dont mind me asking

how old are you, if you dont mind me asking

Why, gonna flame me for sounding like a little kid? lol

I personally like the TSX much better than the Accord.

I personally like the TSX much better than the Accord.

Hmm, I think you're in the wrong thread bud haha.

Or...you can drive a new Hyundai Genesis sedan and see how crappy the Honda is :)

Hyundai quality is vastly better than when they first entered the U.S. market. They learned a lot running WRC back in the early 2000s (I believe they pulled out after 2003). I think it's helped Ford as well.

I know Honda has been into Formula 1 in the past but recently sold their team. Probably never happen, but I'd love to see a Honda WRC team! :thmsup:

Wow! A car with a base price of $11,495 is not as nice as a car whose lowest base price is $21,995.
That's a real revelation.

This thread was a joke. Ofc these two cars don't compare, I just wanted to put everything into perspective for people and make a little fun of kia.

Way to point out the hidden difference between the two cars. :thumbsdow

All most anything I drive, makes me feel great about having my accord.

Toyota, Nissan, etc

Driving my accord makes me feel great about having my accord. :D

Driving my accord makes me feel great about having my accord. :D

+1 to a fellow GP Coupe owner :thmsup:

Check out that LWB...puts a 750li to shame! :lmao:

Or...you can drive a new Hyundai Genesis sedan and see how crappy the Honda is :)I'm rather disappointed to read something so ignorant, sophomoric, and immature from you stevencrosbie.

FWIW, Hyundai/Kia will likely rival Toyota, Honda, and others for sales globally in the generations to come. Innovation/engineering/technology will remain far from Korean ambitions, but reliability/dependability & cheap/inexpensive will be their hallmark towards taking claim of market-share. . .

While many of Hyundai's vehicles follow that trend, the Genesis sedan does not (new V8 Honda can't decide to make...).

I don't think much about the 8th generation is all that Class leading or innovative. Remember, Honda followed Hyundai's lead in warranty length, stability control, side airbags, and a few other standard features in the Sonata.

It is about value and to me, Hyundai provides a lot of value for the vehicle. Much more than Toyota or Honda.

I'm not the only one moving to Hyundai's band wagon.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/ford_reliability.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009102811

While this speaks of Ford....we all can see that Hyundai is the only company who is radically gaining customers while the others all lose....

The percentage of Ford's married buyers has gone up only 4%, while the percentage of college graduates has remained flat.

At fast rising Hyundai, by comparison, its share of college grads has jumped 37%, and 70% of its buyers are married now, vs. 57% a decade ago.

stevencrosbie, point-being I don't need you nor no one else on D.A. telling me how "crappy" my Honda is, ok? I bought it. I come here to help & be helped, as well as embrace what is Honda & Accord et'al. This is an enthusiasts board meant for- get this, enthusiasts. It's not an anonymous bulletin-board. If it is, then I surely don't belong here. I wish for you to realize the spirit of what a forum and a community is. Apparently you have failed in doing so. If you don't get, I don't even know where to begin or what to say. . .

stevencrosbie, point-being I don't need you nor no one else on D.A. telling me how "crappy" my Honda is, ok? I bought it. I come here to help & be helped, as well as embrace what is Honda & Accord et'al. This is an enthusiasts board meant for- get this, enthusiasts. It's not an anonymous bulletin-board. If it is, then I surely don't belong here. I wish for you to realize the spirit of what a forum and a community is. Apparently you have failed in doing so. If you don't get, I don't even know where to begin or what to say. . .

It's his opinion. You don't have to get offended just because you don't like what you hear.

If you disagree, point something out to prove him wrong.

While many of Hyundai's vehicles follow that trend, the Genesis sedan does not (new V8 Honda can't decide to make...).

I don't think much about the 8th generation is all that Class leading or innovative. Remember, Honda followed Hyundai's lead in warranty length, stability control, side airbags, and a few other standard features in the Sonata.

It is about value and to me, Hyundai provides a lot of value for the vehicle. Much more than Toyota or Honda.

I'm not the only one moving to Hyundai's band wagon.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/ford_reliability.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2009102811

While this speaks of Ford....we all can see that Hyundai is the only company who is radically gaining customers while the others all lose....
Yeah The Hyundai is a great value, no doubt......IF you never trade it in and drive the wheels off of it...When trade in values rival the Hondas and Toyotas of the world I would seriously consider paying more than $15K for a Hyundai.

stevencrosbie, point-being I don't need you nor no one else on D.A. telling me how "crappy" my Honda is, ok? I bought it. I come here to help & be helped, as well as embrace what is Honda & Accord et'al. This is an enthusiasts board meant for- get this, enthusiasts. It's not an anonymous bulletin-board. If it is, then I surely don't belong here. I wish for you to realize the spirit of what a forum and a community is. Apparently you have failed in doing so. If you don't get, I don't even know where to begin or what to say. . .

lol, you are dead wrong. This IS an ANONYMOUS BULLETIN BOARD! Just about every forum on the internet is. If you are so offended just remember this is the interwebs and all you have to do is click the red X.

The spirit of a forum is to help and be help in addition to facilitating open discussion about any topic pertinent to the community. In this case the thread is poking fun at the countless complaints of forum members about their accords.

I guess you really don't belong here. . .

Lol I wana see how this turn out

honestly i love driving a different car then switching back to my own, feeling that acceleration is a-maze-ing

In this case the thread is poking fun at the countless complaints of forum members about their accords.

You hit the nail on the head Furple.

I've driven the RIO as a rental just to get me to the airport & back (cheapest rental rate). The vehicle is definitely for buyers who want a new car but don't have the $$ for anything better. It reminded me of the YUGO!

Calm-down everyone! :D

FWIW, stevencrosbie is a very good friend of mine, and we don't always jive w/ each other regarding social/political/D.A. issues. It doesn't change the fact that we both have lots of respect & regards towards each other & that we may agree to disagree on occasion. And yes, we express such to each other w/o recourse as that's what true friends do.

Y'all are a bunch of gossip-mongers/accident-gawkers, sheesh! :naughty:

Y'all are a bunch of gossip-mongers/accident-gawkers, sheesh! :naughty:

I would respond..BUT- I hear sirens!!..Gotta go :D

Driving my accord makes me feel great about having my accord

AMEN!:thmsup:

stevencrosbie, point-being I don't need you nor no one else on D.A. telling me how "crappy" my Honda is, ok? I bought it. I come here to help & be helped, as well as embrace what is Honda & Accord et'al. This is an enthusiasts board meant for- get this, enthusiasts. It's not an anonymous bulletin-board. If it is, then I surely don't belong here. I wish for you to realize the spirit of what a forum and a community is. Apparently you have failed in doing so. If you don't get, I don't even know where to begin or what to say. . .

i surely hope you are joking with this post. he can say whatever he wants

It is about value and to me, Hyundai provides a lot of value for the vehicle. Much more than Toyota or Honda.

...

Until you sell it or trade it in. ....The more people buy them the less they will be worth down the line..Hyundai is a car to keep for 10 years then throw away. In that regard it is a great value.....But $40K for a Hyundai is a bit hard to swallow even if they use real wood....It's not a quality issue it's a PERCEPTION issue.

Honda and Toyota can put out crap for the next few years and still retain their coveted "reliability" perception and resale value which becomes even greater the longer you keep them...

Until you sell it or trade it in. ....The more people buy them the less they will be worth down the line..Hyundai is a car to keep for 10 years then throw away. In that regard it is a great value.....But $40K for a Hyundai is a bit hard to swallow even if they use real wood....It's not a quality issue it's a PERCEPTION issue.

Honda and Toyota can put out crap for the next few years and still retain their coveted "reliability" perception and resale value which becomes even greater the longer you keep them...

Exactly, Kia's and Hyundai's might be great cars, offering great warranties for great prices, but I would never buy one! The last time I drove a Kia I was not the least bit impressed, it was a Optima/Magentis LX 4-cylinder. I had it on one of the worst winter days of the year, front wheel drive, no traction control.. There is a large hill close to my house and on bad days some cars can't get up it without sliding all over the place.. I always thought those people were idiots without snow tires, or just idiots in general.. I was one of those idiots.. the Kia was sliding all over the road, sliding back.. NOT SAFE

Drive a Genesis coupe 2.0T track or 3.8 track and opinions will change

I personally like the TSX much better than the Accord.

So you like the "across the pond" Accord better then the North American Accord.

Interesting....

To All:

I vividly remember the first Hyundai Excel. Bottom price-tier entry, reasonably rugged, but a poor performer; just a throw-away, with no residual value. Many of my mechanic friends flatly refused to work on any Hyundai, sarcastically joking about them as an "Asian Yugo."

Things have changed, involving a paradigm shift, especially after the marriage of Hyundai and Kia. The Koreans have become very SERIOUS...about challenging the Japanese, head on. While not an SUV fan, the little Kia Sportage is very attractive...to those who don't want to fork out significantly more $$$$...on a CR-V or RAV4. Many of my neighbors have the new Hyundai Sonata...and are absolutely thrilled to death with it. After looking at these cars, I must say the materials and workmanship are most impressive. :thmsup:

Japan, Inc...you'd better wake up and smell the coffee. The "new kids on the block" have a game plan you may find tough to beat. :D

To All:

I vividly remember the first Hyundai Excel. Bottom price-tier entry, reasonably rugged, but a poor performer; just a throw-away, with no residual value. Many of my mechanic friends flatly refused to work on any Hyundai, sarcastically joking about them as an "Asian Yugo."

Things have changed, involving a paradigm shift, especially after the marriage of Hyundai and Kia. The Koreans have become very SERIOUS...about challenging the Japanese, head on. While not an SUV fan, the little Kia Sportage is very attractive...to those who don't want to fork out significantly more $$$$...on a CR-V or RAV4. Many of my neighbors have the new Hyundai Sonata...and are absolutely thrilled to death with it. After looking at these cars, I must say the materials and workmanship are most impressive. :thmsup:

Japan, Inc...you'd better wake up and smell the coffee. The "new kids on the block" have a game plan you may find tough to beat. :D


I do not doubt your post at all..

I would consider a Hyundai (Genisis 4 door) if and when their reputation equals Toyota and Honda and resale is respectable. I looked, but did not drive, the Genesis Couple but at 44 years old I don't want a car that screams midlife crisis. It is a little too much on sport and not so much on refined and in my opinion is trying to look more "exotic" than it is. Kind of like those fake expensive watches sold on street corners in NYC.

Honda Accord Couple and even the G37 doesn't present the same "image" of fake sports car for a guy at mid life.For the young and the Scion targeted customer, the car works very well......Then again I would not buy a Corvette at 55 either.

I always thought those people were idiots without snow tires, or just idiots in general.. I was one of those idiots.. the Kia was sliding all over the road, sliding back.. NOT SAFE

Stock tires = sucky snow performance. A good all-season or snow tire would have solved this, not any fault of Kia.

BMW, Mercedes Benz, Honda, Acura , Kia, Hyundai they're all material things>(STATUS) replaceable>>> but not your love ones.

Stock tires = sucky snow performance. A good all-season or snow tire would have solved this, not any fault of Kia.

It had studs on it! Any car I ever purchase will have some sort of anti-slip/traction control. One good thing I can say about the Kia was it was good on gas.

KIA/Hyundai need a great reputation for at least 20 years (like Honda), for me to even consider one. My son HAD a 2005 Kia Rio and it was a piece of crap.

If you like them, go for it. I think they are Korean JUNK!

I still LOVE our Accords. :yes:

It had studs on it! Any car I ever purchase will have some sort of anti-slip/traction control. One good thing I can say about the Kia was it was good on gas.

Traction control is an option on the Optima.

driving my accord makes me feel great about having my accord. :d

+1.

Drive a Genesis coupe 2.0T track or 3.8 track and opinions will change

Have you driven one of these? My father bought a brand new one, and traded it in 6 months later taking a $7000 hit on it. He didn't even care, just wanted to get rid of it. It was inferior in quality, had a clunky gear box, had NO pick up in 1st or 2nd, and for some reason held the revs 2-3 seconds after you shifted gears making it impossible to shift smoothly.

The car was and still is junk.
This was a 2.0T FWIW

Drive a Genesis coupe 2.0T track or 3.8 track and opinions will change

There is no way to predict if other people's opinions will change....

For the most part....


You get what You pay for!

:dunno:

Im driving an 09 Saturn Aura right now and it sucks

I just washed/clayed/wax my door jamb areas today for the first time in 1.5 years. It was so nice outside. I also put the front end up on ramps and inspected a few things underneath. I may see about getting some shin-etsu grease to lube the door seals soon.

In terms of the underbody, there is a plastic shield that is in place. I was wondering where the AC condenser is? I could only find two sizable cut-outs in the plastic shield. Through those cut outs, I think i was looking at the bottom of the tranny case and I could see a pulley and belt through the other large cutout. (I don't have my service manual yet ;) ) It looks like everything is well protected under there.

Anyway, I love my Accord more each day and when I put more effort into keeping her clean and maintained! Love hurts! (and takes effort and patience:thmsup:)

It's the body lines. Near perfection. :)

My 'daily driver' is a 1992 Geo Metro LSi convertible. It's at the opposite end of where my Accord is.

I've had her since feb 26 and still Looooooooooovvvvve it no complaints execpt on day something scared the $#!t out of me, I looked in my rear view mirror and saw a Toyota prius coming up behind me,

I may see about getting some shin-etsu grease to lube the door seals soon.

I have a tube of this that I bought to lubricate the moonroof tracks on my Prelude a few years ago...... can it really be used to keep the rubber door seals supple? I thought grease is no good for rubber, that it can deteriorate it over time.

Please shed some light on this :)

This is actually the fix that Honda gave us for creaky windows/doors.