Is there a deisel Accord/CRV in your future

[according2me]

Honda will soon offer their own diesel design in the European Accord. Hopefully they offer it here in the CRV or Accord also.

http://www.honda.co.uk/news/20030901.html

[Melt]

i doubt they would bring a diesel accord to the us.

[princess]

They're soooooo stinky!!

[according2me]

Honda Deisel Accord sets world records.

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=234399

Bring em over Honda!!!!!!

[Coil99]

Originally posted by according2me
Is there a diesel Accord...in your future


I hope so!

I'd be very interested in seeing what Honda would do with a diesel Accord.

[according2me]

The thing that caught my eye was the over 70mpg it attained, with lots of torque to boot.

[Coil99]

Originally posted by according2me
The thing that caught my eye was the over 70mpg it attained, with lots of torque to boot.

:yes:

[BenjiBoy650]

I'll buy an Accord diesel in a heartbeat, assuming I had the money. I could imagine it now. Honda, known for making powertrains that last for 200K+ miles, makes a diesel, itself known for lasting way longer than gas engines. You tell me how far you could go with a Honda diesel :)

[Inspector1]

3 Generations of Honda ;) ;)

I1:D

[RTexasF]

Check this out - Honda diesel commercial from the UK:

http://www.epica-awards.com/assets/epica/2004/winners/film/flv/18037.htm

[stiller fan]

hmmmm, how about 2 million miles??? :D

[xcel]

Hi All:

___It would be nice to have an opportunity to purchase an iCDTi in a loaded up Accord here in the states given the better then Hybrid like FE but this Honda designed diesel barely and I mean barely passes Euro IV emission specs. Here in the states, it wouldn’t be allowed in the 5-clean fuel states this year and it wouldn’t be allowed in the country after 2007. Until Honda comes up with some whiz bang Ford/MB type after treatment emission HW, we probably won’t see this diesel in the near term?

___Princess, today’s Euro IV spec’ed diesels are not stinky like what you might remember seeing from any number of MB 3x0 D’s in the past. They have been cleaned up quite nicely indeed but they are not cleaned up enough to meet the new Federal Tier II/Bin 5 emissions specs let alone any of the LEV-2’s in California even on ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel).

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[Inspector1]

I wonder if they are running a Catalytic converter on their diesels?

I1:)

[xcel]

Hi Inspector1:

___Because of Diesel exhausts high PM/soot content, a regular CAT would probably become fouled rather quickly. Diesel exhaust has different temps upon which they are emitted and the CAT’s from a regular automobile do not work properly nor are they designed to remove the huge amounts of NOx inherent in the CI combustion process. The best and least inexpensive NOx after treatment that I know of is Ford’s own Urea injected SCR. Unfortunately, the EPA in their ever present wisdom will not allow it because Ford cannot make a tank large enough to hold UREA for 11 years or 120,000 miles (whichever comes first) without consumer intervention. There is a ton of research going into cleaning up a diesels emissions to meet the upcoming Federal Tier II/Bin5 but as of yet, the after treatments (except for UREA Injection) and DPF (Diesel Particulate Filters) are just barely making the grade and not inexpensively either. Even the EPA is working with Ford on cleaning the combustion process up by reducing NOx but as they drop NOx by an order of Magnitude, HC’s come up by an order of magnitude x 2. Ford does have the PZEV rated Diesel HEV - Mercury Meta-One (248 HP/431 Ft-Lb’s) in a Freestyle like Crossover SUV platform. It is rumored to have a 30% advantage over the Freestyle’s 20/27 (19/24 AWD) City/Highway for a possible 26/35 (25/31 AWD) City/Highway rating but it is a show vehicle, not ready for the road by any means today unfortunately :(

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/8768_image.jpg

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[Inspector1]

You must be in the emissions field or read a lot of Detroit press....
Here's some reading for you.......................

http://www.mitsubishi-fuso.com/en/press/004.html

http://www.ngk.co.jp/english/new_rele/2003/2003_11_26a.htm

In 1995 Mitsibushi Fuso came out with a Converter muffler on their class 3 level 4cylinder engine which reduced levels of emissions for US bound vehicles....

The sad thing about it is Donaldson Mfg. who made the unit produced over 6000 muffler/converter assys with faulty flange welds and had to recall all of them.

At 600.00 ea dealer cost + labor that hit them hard in the pocket books
another thing to show how wastefull they could be, instead of rewelding the flanges they replaced all of them and instead of shipping that 90lb monster back they had us saw them in half and they even supplied the sawzall blades:)
It was not exactly like the honeycomb type converters but similar to them and bigger.
It was amazing that the visable smoke difference from the truck did change. We just figured it was a bunch of hype but it looks like
they are making progress with their technology now;)

I1:)

[xcel]

Hi Inspector1:

___The problem is that the new LEV-2 specs in CA. and the Federal Tier II/Bin 5 standards for passenger cars. They are so low as to make most if not all Diesel passenger cars out of Europe unfit to drive in the US by 07. A single DPF or advanced NOx/SCR CAT won’t do the trick. It is extremely high common rail pressures, multiple pre/post injections, extremely refined injection pulses and movement, and the 2 types of after treatments working in concert that will make it work. Ford has it down pat although they cannot get by the EPA’s 120K mandate that I know about? MB’s has a UREA injection solution that will meet Tier II/Bin 5. Toyota is working feverishly to meet the new US specs with their own D-CAT’s in Europe. The missing link is Honda. They have created what is arguably one of the best CI-ICE’s ever designed but their emissions are nothing to write home about and to make it here in the states, they will need a huge leap in emissions technology over what they have produced to date. What I suspect is that the Direct Injection technology will become their saving grace here in the states first thus relieving them of an immediate need for some whiz bang emissions technology to tame their own diesels. At least they have the most FE non-diesel fleet here in the US but with diesels, they are just in the game, not on top of it.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[according2me]

It may actually be here in 2010. :banana:

http://blogs.automotive.com/6206581/concept-cars/2010-honda-accord-diesel/index.html

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9712548-7.html

Once again, when fuel prices soar, Honda already has a power plant ready to meet the need. It's this forward thinking that gave them a big boost in the mid 70's also. Way to go Honda!!! Bring it on.

They're supposedly building a V6 deisel for the larger vehicles also.

[stevencrosbie]

YES. My next vehicle is a diesel. If not Honda than someone else.

From the rumor on the streets, Toyota might put a diesel in the Tundra and GM is putting a 4.9L diesel in their Silervado 1500.


If that is the case, I can see myself jumping ship.

[according2me]

Who's deisel is GM using. Isuzu???

[stevencrosbie]

Yup. Just like the Duramax, it will be an Isuzu diesel.