Yep,,, went to look at a 06 Accord EXL Coupe 5mt, I4.

I walked up to the car and the paint was awful. Worst paint job I'd ever seen. Ive seen Eral Shievs $39.99 jobs that looked better. I would have never bought the car from that dealer. i would have had it transfered to my dealer for sale.

The veins on my face poped out so bad when I looked at that idiot salesman. I asked the dumb ass if the paint had any orange peel in it before I CAM OUT! He said no it was mirror clean. Get out there and it looks like it was painted with a damn splatter gun! I pointed to our 05 and stated that was crap paint and your new one is imbarassing. I wish I'd been in my truck. Id hit that crap Accord just to get it off there lot.

I had not been back home more than a hour and a buddy of mine shows up in his brand new 06 Civic EX Coupe. Just bought it in McAlester Ok. Not so much as a ripple or pucker in the paint. Black and it looked sweet. The Accord was awful.

Lets see America production is junk. Canada good? I can not belive Honda would ship a car with paint that bad. Its starting to look like one must just buy the crap car and then take it right to a body shop and have it repainted at a tune of about 2k. Custom paint job must mean one thats done right now in the eyes of stupid American consumers.

I showed the sales manager my credit report and a wad of hunderd dollar bills for the down payment and left. Told the moron I would be invoicing the dealer for my time. And if they dont pay im turning them in to a collection agent. Who the hell they think they are waisting my time. When I get done with that sales manager and his stupid flunky they will have prefered to go 30 mins with Tyron in a dark corner!!!!!!!

All they had to do was show me a clean car. I told them I wouldnt buy it from them but have it transferd to my dealer and pay them for there time. Of which I dont have to do. I was going to pay the salesman $50.00 cash just to show me the car and the dealer a $50.00 for there time in the transfer. Im a fair man. Im in sales. But then they try and *uck you around with a crap car.

Im seeing a trend in Honda. Steve is getting screwed around on his TL tranny issues by the dealer and there putting out junk.

Maybe time to refurb a old chevy impala for half the money of a new Accord and just enjoy the road.

Sorry to hear of your trouble with dealer.

My 05 Accord EX has flawless paint.
That car must not have been quality control
inspected.

All the new Accords I've seen have pretty crappy paint...I thought that nothing could beat our ML320, but these new Accords are really competitive :thumbsdow

:dunno:

Looks like you're gonna need to head down to the factory and paint a car yourself. (No, I'm kidding).

Could it be that the workers are getting a little slack? I've never seen a badly painted Accord.

All the new Accords I've seen have pretty crappy paint...I thought that nothing could beat our ML320, but these new Accords are really competitive :thumbsdow

Im just floored at how bad the 06's are looking Benji. The paint on that car looked like a lunar surface pic with a Socal mudslide thrown in for good messure. I may have to buy a Si to get a half ass paint job or a civic coupe at the min. American Honda is loosing my respect at a very fast pace.

I didnt worry about paint on the Accord sedan. I know the wife will trash the car. It will look 5 years old in 1 year in her hands no matter how hard i work at keeping it clean and protected.

But I'll be damed if I buy a car with a crap paint job for me to drive. I cant belive people buy cars with such awful finish on them.

Ive painted everything from Boing 727's to thimbles in my paint career. painting a bloody car isnt rocket science. I see GM's and Fords with better looking paint. I know it wont stick and they blame the epa for the sorry base stock. Which isnt true. Hondas paint has historicly stayed on the cars and looked better. Now it looks like crap if its painted in America.

To qualifiy myself as a finish dude. I have always strived for good paint. Even on my bicyles as a very young child. I did a understudy as a young man under a master auto painter. Ive shot paint from homes to furniture at Riverside furniture to airplanes at AIR in Mena Arkansas. I painted the plains that where shot down in the Contra crap. Ive shot enamels, laq, emron, alumagrip, varnishes, stains, sealers, clear coats / top coats of about every thing ever made. Today I only paint pumps and other stuff when a show peice is needed. Last car i painted was a Nissan owned by a buddy of mine. Did it in a base enamel. A fast dry Anchor paint at that with a light block sanding in between coats. In less than 12 hours. I guess that was a custom job in a pump shop for a auto.

So yes I can get a bit anal over paint. I dont expect high end work on bottom line finish. I do expect high end in prep. or we have nothing to work with.

This rant will go on and may very well be sent to Honda America. Yopu buy a Honda cause you want the best. You pay the price they think you should for what they think is the best and you get?

Follow me at work.. I can pick to death. One of Hondas strongist points for 30 years has been fit and finish. You pay for the masterful mech. design and engineering and get a car packaged right. Is it now,, you get the great suspinsion, engine, and balance and a sub Korean fit and finish. Funny how Accord in 4th, 5th and 6th gen. was the most admired fit and finish cars ever sold in America. They proved you didnt have to buy a Rolls to get tight lines and seams and near perfect finish.

Getting out soap box

psy

If you look at the 4/5/6 gen, a lot of them have sun damage. I don't think cars should have such lousy paint! I've seen a newer 6th gen with "sun spots" on the roof and trunk...crazy. Same color as mine too...worried :thumbsdow Also notice Anysia's coupe paint problems and her 2 civics, and my friends 01 nighthawk black 01 accord EX i4 sedan had rust bubbles on the hood, about 10 of them in a 3 inch circular diameter!

The C-pillars of my car have some pretty bad orange peel...I never noticed, or knew what orange peel was until someone pointed it out to me one day - kinda embarresing (for me)

Well folks welcome to the newest paint technology.{Thank the EPA also(Low VOC)}.
To be totally honest with you there are no(none,nada etc) vehicles under 200k that do not have orange peel!!
Actually the last 4 Carrera GT's I have looked at also had it and with a price tag of 450k you would expect perfection right? wrong!!!
It is a shame but unfortunately it is a fact!!
So if you don't want orange peel or any defects be prepared to pony up 40k+ for a paint job :thumbsdow

I1 :)

yeah. i see black bimmers all the time here with severe orange peel. worse than Honda's. so dont think its only a Honda problem.

yeah. i see black bimmers all the time here with severe orange peel. worse than Honda's. so dont think its only a Honda problem.

Doesn't explain why Civic has it and Accord doesn't...

yeah. i see black bimmers all the time here with severe orange peel. worse than Honda's. so dont think its only a Honda problem.

I agree. :yes:

Just take a closer look at some new Toyotas.

If you know what you are looking for you will find it on all mass produced vehicles.
In Honda's fleet the worst I have seen is on the Ridgeline..

I1 :)

It's coming off the Ridgeline bumpers! :paranoid:

wet sanding? would that help? costs about $600 and takes 2 days.

wet sanding? would that help? costs about $600 and takes 2 days.

Isn't that just buffing? Don't think it'd help either way...orange peel is pretty much there and ya live with it. In fact, I feel like the cleaner and shinier the car is (and darker helps it along too), the more orange peel shows up. Metallic helps to mask it somewhat but you can still see it from certain angles. I'll get a pic of our ML one day and you can see it is pretty bad...clean, flat black (no metallic/mica/pearl/etc), always waxed and such and you can see every ripple.

umm... bottom line... if you don't like the paint job on the car before you buy it, DON'T BUY IT. pretty simple as far as I see it. buy something you are overall happy with at the time of purchase.

umm... bottom line... if you don't like the paint job on the car before you buy it, DON'T BUY IT. pretty simple as far as I see it. buy something you are overall happy with at the time of purchase.

What about for all those impulse buyers like KJW? Haha kidding kidding...

My car has it really bad. I had the car brought over from another dealer and it was not obvious when I took delivery. It was just last weekend when I got it all cleaned up that I noticed the orange peel on the paint. I have a 2004 Alero that has a perfect paint job on it. A couple of months ago I cleaned up my Dad's 2005 Monte Carlo while he was on vacation and the paint was perfect on it too. :thumbsdow

I think if I took it back to the dealer they would probably laugh at me. What do you guys think? Do you think the dealer even knows or cares about orange peel?

I think if I took it back to the dealer they would probably laugh at me. What do you guys think? Do you think the dealer even knows or cares about orange peel?

Doesn't matter what they think or whether they can fix it...fact is if it gets resprayed, it's going to 1) lose value 2) look ugly 3) be less durable :dunno: And I think that's about all they can do, if Honda agrees to fix it...which I would doubt.

wet sanding? would that help? costs about $600 and takes 2 days.

If the orange peel is in the basecoat then the only way to remove is to sand all the clear off and sand the base coat(color coat) then have the vehicle re-shot.
If the clear has it then wetsanding the clear will help some what but not totally.
Like I said earlier it is on "all vehicles", some worse than others.
If you have a vehicle with no peel, dirt, dust under clear, surface flaws.
It is over 20 years old or has been repainted.

You may not see the defects or flaws but give me a couple minutes and I can point them out for you;)

It is something we all have to live with :thumbsdow

I1 :)

Honda had better watch themselves, and Toyota, too. Honda's reliability seems to have slipped a bit in the last five years, from what I've been seeing and reading. Now poor paint quality?

Quality and mechanical durability have always been Honda's strong points. They'd better watch themselves, or they're going to find themselves where GM was fifteen years ago.

Honda had better watch themselves, and Toyota, too. Honda's reliability seems to have slipped a bit in the last five years, from what I've been seeing and reading. Now poor paint quality?

Quality and mechanical durability have always been Honda's strong points. They'd better watch themselves, or they're going to find themselves where GM was fifteen years ago.
what reliability issues???? only one I know of is the AT issues...... poor paint is not a determining factor of reliability. part of overall quality, yep. but reliability, as in getting you where you want to go, I haven't heard of any issues other than the AT. Can't think of anyone on here mentioning having their seventh gen towed for any reason.

reliability is not based on "nuisance/annoyance" issues.

maybe a good example is person a can drive the car for a week and think it's the best thing since sliced bread. meanwhile person b can drive it for 15 minutes and say, hey, i've had enough.

each person's expections are different from the next person's.

but because people don't llike the paint or think their car rattles too much that does not imply reliability issues.

quality,maybe, reliability,nope.

what reliability issues???? only one I know of is the AT issues...... poor paint is not a determining factor of reliability. part of overall quality, yep. but reliability, as in getting you where you want to go, I haven't heard of any issues other than the AT. Can't think of anyone on here mentioning having their seventh gen towed for any reason.

Regarding reliability issues, I was referring to the transmissions. In looking at CR, Honda's Odyssey and Accord have taken hits on the transmission score for quite a few years now. Honda did not used to have any consistent problems with their transmissions, thus I made the statement that their reliability has slipped a bit.

Quality has always been a Honda strong point, therefore they need to keep their quality control up. Poor paint quality isn't something that most consumers notice, but interior rattles and creaks are. I didn't mean to say and am not saying that Honda doesn't build good cars. If I didn't think they did, I wouldn't have bought one. All I'm saying is that they need to get rid of these issues before they start to affect their reputation (transmission problems for several years, and I've heard of paint trouble on the sixth gen Accords, as well). The quality of the domestics is still pretty far behind Honda and Toyota, but they're starting to catch up. Honda and Toyota both need to keep a close eye on themselves so they're not surpassed by the domestics, who seem to finally be upping their game.

reliability is not based on "nuisance/annoyance" issues.

maybe a good example is person a can drive the car for a week and think it's the best thing since sliced bread. meanwhile person b can drive it for 15 minutes and say, hey, i've had enough.

each person's expections are different from the next person's.

but because people don't llike the paint or think their car rattles too much that does not imply reliability issues.

quality,maybe, reliability,nope.

I was referring to Honda's ongoing problems with the 6th gen Accord 4-speed auto, and the early problems they've had with the 7th gen Accord and Odyssey 5-speed automatic.

My apologies for not being clear with separating quality and reliability issues in my earlier post. I am one of the Accord drivers who thinks his car is the best thing since sliced bread. I will stay with Honda or Acura if this car lives up to Honda's reputation (so far it has). I was merely saying that they need to watch themselves and nip these issues in the bud before they become widespread.

As far as the OP goes mine has it, so does our '03 Corolla. My only moan is that the Honda paint chips so easily perhaps due to the lowered snoot where mine has hundreds of nicks. The Toyota has only a handfull and is a year older with more miles on it.

Folks,

OK, I've heard the term a million times, and I "think" I know what you're talking about, but I've never really heard anyone describe exactly what "orange peel" is.

So, golly, "what is orange peel?" anyway?

Folks,

OK, I've heard the term a million times, and I "think" I know what you're talking about, but I've never really heard anyone describe exactly what "orange peel" is.

So, golly, "what is orange peel?" anyway?
It's when the paint is rough and looks like an orange.
http://www.whitfordww.com/images/Orange(1).jpg

Orange peel is a natural process in paint drying. There is no avoiding it but it can be smoothed out with hours of color sanding and buffing. The factories don't usually spend the extra money on labor because most people don't notice or care. It bothers a small number of people who expect the "perfection" of paint jobs long ago. Unfortunately, those days appear to be over, but in return we get more safety features, better performance and better reliability. We can't have it all.

My Accord is Beige and yeah, I've got orange peel. Looked at our Merlot Pathfinder and found very little. But, the Accord is super shiny, and the only place I can even see it is in the garage with the flourescent lights on. Big deal. :dunno:

As far as reliability, I came back to Honda, even though my late 80's Civic LX was towed twice (ignitor failure- recalled later and fully reimbursed by Honda, and a seized water pump at 60K miles), the CV boot rubber was just garbage, and the muffler was replaced over and over again - stupid sideways design). But the car was fun to drive and held it's value in a crazy way (helps to somewhat make up for the sins). :thmsup:

So far our Accord has been near perfect, but I am noticing a slight brake shudder, and if the tranny or that CD changer (lights out!) ever go kaput this thing will be patched together, sold, and I will not buy a Honda again. Stuff like that is inexcusable. Our '03 Pathfinder LE with 33K miles has been flawless, just like the Maximas were. So, I'm not asking for much.

I think the problem with todays Hondas may be that they are built in the U.S... In the old days, a model was released in Japan for a year or two before making it over here. No first year blues. The bugs were worked out over in Japan first. Now, a new model hits U.S. streets immediately after release.

I have also noticed that Japanese built vehicles are just better overall. Every car we've had since 1991 has been built in Japan (CRX Si, Legend, Lexus and Nissans). Ooops, except for the Quest, but we only had it a short time, and although not up to Japan-built standards, it served it's purpose at the time. I broke my cardinal rule when I bought this Accord, hope it doesn't come back to bite me! :paranoid:

I was referring to Honda's ongoing problems with the 6th gen Accord 4-speed auto, and the early problems they've had with the 7th gen Accord and Odyssey 5-speed automatic.

My apologies for not being clear with separating quality and reliability issues in my earlier post. I am one of the Accord drivers who thinks his car is the best thing since sliced bread. I will stay with Honda or Acura if this car lives up to Honda's reputation (so far it has). I was merely saying that they need to watch themselves and nip these issues in the bud before they become widespread.
the only thing is, from what i've heard, the engineering attempt to fix the problems with the 6th gens is what resulted in the problem for the 7th gens. the fix created a different issue.

but, even with this one reliability issue, honda is willingly standing up and fixing/replacing trannies as needed instead of hiding until the governemtn steps in, ala most domestic car brands. ;)

:lmao:

What dealership did this???