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: DIY Power Steering Pump O-Ring TSB


vasekvi
02-15-2010, 08:54 PM
After I replaced my alternator, my power steering started moaning and groaning especially when cold. I figured that it was because I was manhandling the power steering pump to get the belt back on. So I did some research and found the HondaTSB 07-086. I did the job which took all of 5 minutes, and the power steering pump finally shut the hell up. Cost is around $5.00 for the parts.

The TSB is for all 7th Generation V6 Accords


Parts and Tools Needed.
1. Power Steering Inlet Joint O-ring (orange): P/N 91345-RDA-A01, H/C 8811010
2. Honda Genuine Power Steering Fluid: P/N 08206-9002, H/C 3747284
3. Shop Towel
4. 10mm wrench

Here is a link to the PDF of the actual TSB:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.honda-tech.com%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D33598%2 6d%3D1240155507&rct=j&q=honda%20tsb%2007-086&ei=cu9NTbraHZT6swPeoMWjCg&usg=AFQjCNHEjgwpl0n_u3YJ9fT4Q62Yp2xAhw&sig2=TqEWH8UYtKUVDehvCeRc-Q

The O Ring

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1518.jpg

The PS Fluid

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1525.jpg

The inlet joint bolt

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1517.jpg

1. Place Shop Towel Under Inlet Joint Bolt

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1520.jpg

2. Use 10mm wrench to remove bolt and joint

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1519.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1521.jpg

3. Remove old O Ring

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1522.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1523.jpg

4. Install new O Ring to inlet hose coupler.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1524.jpg

5. Reinstall joint coupler and bolt.

6. Check PS fluid and add if needed

7. Remove shop towel, start engine, check for leaks, turn steering wheel lock to lock to listen for groaning

8. Turn off engine and check PS fluid one last time

NickkxO
02-15-2010, 08:57 PM
Nice write up! Hehe

06EXLV6
02-16-2010, 03:42 AM
This should be moved the the DIY section with a sticky. Very well done. :thmsup:

03LXV6
02-16-2010, 04:19 AM
Nice write up. Should put it in this thread.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=25654

dw511
02-17-2010, 06:29 AM
Awesome, great forum and glad I researched the power steering problem before going to the dealership. My 2005 LX, V6 has 140,000 miles and this site will be very helpful to me in the future.

04PinoyAccord
02-17-2010, 07:25 PM
good write up, sadly im going to pay $250 bucks for new everything , ps pumps , o ring etc... i just have no time to do it myself!

gp15857
02-17-2010, 10:39 PM
Awesome pics, u should update the p/n on the o-ring is 91345-rda-a01

KellyMFT
11-24-2010, 08:53 AM
Hey, thanks for a great write up with the pics!! I'm a single mom and was trying to save myself the $$ just before the Holidays. I used the DIY instructions. The job was easy...5 minutes, plain old 10mm wrench (but I have small hands)...topped off the PS fluid.

O-Ring was 79 cents, PS fluid was $5.

I followed the directions, but the noise is still there :(

It was worth a shot, but I think I'm in for a trip to the dealer.

BLCKFLSH
11-24-2010, 01:25 PM
I did this about two weeks ago. Your old o-ring looks a little deformed, just like mine did. The noise was really loud, so I was wondering if the o-ring alone would fix it. If you hold the hose up, you probably don't need to add fluid. I siphoned as much fluid out of the resevior as I could, then replaced it with new Honda fluid. Two weeks, and it's still silent. The new (orange) o-ring looks a little thicker than the old one, but the old one was so deformed it's hard to say. The job was so easy, I decided to change my spark plugs, even though I only had 82k miles. The old plugs could have gone to 100k miles easy.

hillstones
11-24-2010, 02:23 PM
Nice write up. Honda replaced my o-ring along with other work that needed to be done. They wanted to replace the pump, I told them no way, do the o-ring first. Has been silent for about a year now.

BLCKFLSH
11-24-2010, 04:20 PM
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1519.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1521.jpg

3. Remove old O Ring

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x124/vncekan/DSCN1522.jpg



I was looking at the pictures (great pics BTW), and I noticed there is a lot of gunk (which I assume is power steering fluid) all over the pump. You might want to clean that up. I don't think my fluid leaked out like that, but I'll have to check it. I like to keep my engine as clean as possible, so I can quickly see when a leak develops.

Ancalagon
12-10-2010, 02:26 PM
FYI, the part numbers are wrong on this. The P/N listed for the O-Ring is actually the power steering fluid, the O-Ring is 91345-RDA-A01. I found this out when I got half way through this DIY and discovered my Honda parts department gave me a 14mm ring when this calls for a 13mm ring.

passatglx
12-23-2010, 08:10 AM
I did this o ring TSB yesterday. I can't beleive a little o ring can cause so much noise. My cold morning startups are now pleasent. Thanks for the write up. Took 5 minutes and thats with taking my time. :thmsup:

sontt007
12-23-2010, 04:26 PM
very clearly step by step. Thanks. :thmsup:

blecoupe89
01-11-2011, 07:14 AM
Replaced this on mine after a few weeks of horrid groaning noises when cold. Completely silent now....great thread!!:banana:

soxfan62
01-25-2011, 05:46 PM
Hi, new member here. Haven't figured out the signature thing yet (but I will), but I have a 2006 I4 5sp (LX-SE) sedan with ~60000 miles. I'm experiencing exactly what everyone has been describing, so I am wondering if other 4cyl owners out there have done the the O-ring fix and if it worked. I know some of the comments were from 4cyl folks (more so on the other thread on this subject), but it wasn't actually clear if they had done this fix on their own cars. Is anyone aware of a similar TSB for I4 engines?

Thanks in advance for any advice. I hope to return the favor at some point.

amajike
02-05-2011, 03:03 AM
Hi, new member here. Haven't figured out the signature thing yet (but I will), but I have a 2006 I4 5sp (LX-SE) sedan with ~60000 miles. I'm experiencing exactly what everyone has been describing, so I am wondering if other 4cyl owners out there have done the the O-ring fix and if it worked. I know some of the comments were from 4cyl folks (more so on the other thread on this subject), but it wasn't actually clear if they had done this fix on their own cars. Is anyone aware of a similar TSB for I4 engines?

Thanks in advance for any advice. I hope to return the favor at some point.

It works on the 4cyl!!!! Did the fix on mine nad the noise went totally! its all silent now.
The new O-ring was tighter and fit snugly while the old one was loose. Its just the same process, just follow the bigger pipe that leaves from the PS resevoir, loose the nut where it ends and follow the pics already posted. Hope it works for you.

vasekvi
02-05-2011, 03:54 PM
Updated OP to proper part numbers and link to PDF of the TSB :D

accordmex
02-06-2011, 08:18 PM
2008 Honda Accord EX V4. I have the exact same problem Power Steering whinning only when very cold. The TSB and service department indicate the problem is only for the V6. I called the parts dept and the O'ring is the same for both V4 and V6. Anyone know if V4 units are also affected even though TSB says V6 only?

Any info appreciated.

phillip728
02-07-2011, 09:36 AM
This fix worked perfect for me! Thanks for the write-up! Been silent ever since.

BLCKFLSH
02-07-2011, 09:51 AM
If the hose connection is the same on the 4cyl, it could be the same problem with the o-ring. I would definitely try it. The o-ring doesn't cost much (make sure you get the new orange one), and you could probably try it without loosing much fluid.

amajike
02-07-2011, 10:00 AM
2008 Honda Accord EX V4. I have the exact same problem Power Steering whinning only when very cold. The TSB and service department indicate the problem is only for the V6. I called the parts dept and the O'ring is the same for both V4 and V6. Anyone know if V4 units are also affected even though TSB says V6 only?

Any info appreciated.

My V4 had the exact problem as yours, did the fix about a week ago and its so silent now. I advise you just try it. Took me about 5mins. cheers

soxfan62
02-13-2011, 03:41 PM
Finallly got around to fixing it today. Unlike the V6, the bolt was right on top and very easy to get to. My PS fluid was very low though, barely above the lower of the 2 hoses that go into the reservoir, so i'm glad I didn't procrastinate any longer. It really was as easy as everyone described.

I slightly overfilled the reservoir, so used a child's medicine dropper to suction out some of the excess fluid (not the kind built into the bottle lid, the larger kind). It worked like a charm.

sonny
02-20-2011, 01:33 PM
Thanks for the thread and pictures. I did this yesterday on my 03 V6 and it was literally a 5 minute job. It took me longer to replace my air filter than it did to replace my o-ring.

My power steering whine stopped, but I'm not entirely sure if that was because of the o-ring replacement or the fact that I was horribly low on power steering fluid, lol.

Thanks again.

siGN
02-20-2011, 01:44 PM
just did this today took me a while wish i had seen this b4 doing it lool

numba 1
02-21-2011, 04:38 AM
great pics and write up ....will do this today hopefully noise goes away!!!!

Optimus Prime
11-06-2011, 10:02 AM
Does anyone know why changing the o ring stops the noise? What is the reason for the noise in the first place?

vasekvi
11-06-2011, 10:23 AM
Does anyone know why changing the o ring stops the noise? What is the reason for the noise in the first place?

The bad ring allows air to enter the system causing the power steering fluid to foam up and form bubbles.

HSS
11-16-2011, 10:15 PM
OP thats an awesome DIY!!

If anyone wants a detailed video DIY see this Youtube Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-_qp1y4yc

miagi99
11-29-2011, 11:28 AM
I just did this yesterday and it is still same problem. funny thing is before I did this I did wrap teflon tape around the old ring just to make it stop until I had time to do it and now after replacing same issue. could it be faulty pump?

Yucca-man
12-13-2011, 05:34 PM
Hi all - first time poster, trying to track down this exact problem on my '02 Accord EX-L V6... Does this apply to that generation as well, or have I not Googled sufficiently yet?

The bad ring allows air to enter the system causing the power steering fluid to foam up and form bubbles.This describes the power steering fluid to a 'T'. Brown and bubbly.

Yucca-man
12-18-2011, 05:28 PM
Well, it turns out I had the year wrong - it's an '03 so this looks like it's exactly what's wrong. Off to research parts availability tomorrow ...

jimmyd77
12-19-2011, 06:58 AM
One more time; this is a great thread; $2 and noise gone vs. the pillage of a dealer. Thanks.

Max Utility
12-19-2011, 12:31 PM
I just did this yesterday and it is still same problem. funny thing is before I did this I did wrap teflon tape around the old ring just to make it stop until I had time to do it and now after replacing same issue. could it be faulty pump?

I believe there is also an o-ring that connects between the actual PS reservoir and that hose that connects to the pump. Try replacing that end of the hose as well?

On the subject of hoses, where exactly does that second hose run to? I have pictures of mine.

http://i.imgur.com/G0rRN.jpg
I understand this hose runs up into the PS pump...

http://i.imgur.com/iK9Fb.jpg
But where does this hose go? :dunno:

http://i.imgur.com/ZSDop.jpg
I follow it down to the bottom in this pic. It is the middle hose between the two big ones. Any idea?

Mr. Guice
12-21-2011, 02:40 PM
Did the fix today, haven't done a cold startup yet. Thanks for the pics, made it extra easy.

Yucca-man
12-27-2011, 06:42 AM
The pics were great! I did this yesterday and we'll see how things go this morning with a cold start. It was amazingly quick and relatively painless, it's definitely easier to access the bolt, etc. through the left side (under the belt) and a box wrench is going to fit a whole lot better than most gear-wrench gadgets. Once the bolt is loose, it turns pretty quickly by hand, wear some nitrile gloves to keep the gunk off your hands, and don't do this immediately after a 60-mile drive...the engine tends to be a bit warm at that point...

I just did this yesterday and it is still same problem. funny thing is before I did this I did wrap teflon tape around the old ring just to make it stop until I had time to do it and now after replacing same issue. could it be faulty pump?Are you sure you got all the remnants of teflon tape off the old fitting and out of the housing?

sy272004
01-04-2012, 05:56 PM
got same problem. texted my friend at honda to check and do it to mine as well

apalombo
03-05-2012, 06:20 AM
Having this fixed was the highlight of my weekend. Thank you! I have gone all winter putting up with the horrible screams each morning and when I would leave for lunch. So embarrassing. I picked up the o-ring at the Honda dealer for $0.72, and, as previously mentioned, 5 minutes later my husband was done. I appreciate your shared knowledge!

403GL
04-19-2012, 07:52 AM
Yikes! Attempted this fix a few days ago on my V6 and the bolt is starting to get stripped.

With the limited room to work with, I can't get a box wrench properly on there to even loosen in. I tried locking pliers to grip the bolt and turn and that didnt even work.

Is there any other way to get at bolt? I can't risk stripping it anymore

thanks!

2006accord4
04-19-2012, 09:00 AM
Yikes! Attempted this fix a few days ago on my V6 and the bolt is starting to get stripped.

With the limited room to work with, I can't get a box wrench properly on there to even loosen in. I tried locking pliers to grip the bolt and turn and that didnt even work.

Is there any other way to get at bolt? I can't risk stripping it anymore

thanks!

Buy a new bolt first of all. Then you can attempt to remove the bolt.

How about removing the power steering pump then use a 10mm bolt out socket?

http://www.sears.com/craftsman-bolt-out-6-pc-damaged-bolt-nut-remover-set/p-00952060000P?prdNo=5&blockNo=5&blockType=G5

kansasaccord
10-09-2012, 08:19 PM
Hi everyone!

I recently did some research on this recurring problem as it got cold this past weekend. A quick google search led me to here, where I found everyone who had the same issue I had.

After performing this quick-fix and topping my fluid off, it's been whisper-quiet since. I applaud the original poster for providing this post with detailed step-by-step, since I normally may as well be staring into a human brain when I look under the hood.

Sorry if this classifies as a necro-thread, but I felt it necessary to make sure anyone else with this problem will be able to easily fix it themselves, as it can easily sound like you need to replace the entire unit.

Best wishes!

dxerg3770
11-08-2012, 01:24 PM
Just did this on my i4 2008 accord.
Parts are the same. Its much easier on i4 because the bolt is literally on top of the power steering pump. Took me 30 seconds to do it.

BLCKFLSH
11-08-2012, 01:53 PM
I believe there is also an o-ring that connects between the actual PS reservoir and that hose that connects to the pump. Try replacing that end of the hose as well?

On the subject of hoses, where exactly does that second hose run to? I have pictures of mine.

http://i.imgur.com/G0rRN.jpg
I understand this hose runs up into the PS pump...

http://i.imgur.com/iK9Fb.jpg
But where does this hose go? :dunno:

http://i.imgur.com/ZSDop.jpg
I follow it down to the bottom in this pic. It is the middle hose between the two big ones. Any idea?

The bottom hose takes the fluid from the reservoir to the pump, and the pump sends it to the power steering rack, so I assume the top hose (on the reservoir is bringing the fluid back from the steering rack.

Dutch
11-10-2012, 08:36 AM
Hi all. I purchased my 2006 Accord V6 2 years ago & was wondering what caused the groaning noise on my car on cold mornings which would then go away if the engine warmed up or I restarted my car. Really happy I found these posts after hearing about the recall. I'm @ the dealer now. My car is on the recall list. Tech told me if after inspection the hose didn't need to be changed out it would be$105 for inspection & they would check the pump etc.

I told them if not the hose, then it is the O-ring & if they won't fix for free (I have an extended warranty) then I want the part & the fluid. & will change myself. I told them I researched on Internet & know what is the cause. My steering fluid lines has supposedly been flushed a year ago under my 60k check up & noise persisted. So thank you for all your info. I might be a girl but I've changed my radiator hose on my '91 Civic hatchback (loved that car!), so this seems like an easy fix I can do myself if they don't fix for free.

cmackin
12-29-2012, 10:17 AM
I don't do many repairs on my own car, but this was simple and the instructions were fantastic. Spent less than $20 to fix what would've been hundreds.

THANK YOU!!!!

Drew03Accord
01-14-2013, 04:37 PM
Great thread. I'll add my power steering flush thread here. Absolutely no tools required.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76581

rex_f
01-16-2013, 08:24 AM
Add me to the list of folks who saved some $$ with this post.

Many thanks.

kingmoocow
11-17-2013, 03:25 AM
After listening to the groaning all last winter, and it's actually getting cold here again; so looked for this answer. $4 for ring and fluid shipped. 5 minute fix. Thanks for the pix Vaskevi.

Accord_Rules
11-30-2013, 01:10 AM
Finished this fix this evening. Will have to wait until tomorrow morning to see if it helped. My car spent 3 winters in NYC with no problems. The whining started this winter in Texas/Louisiana. Strange! Thank you for this info on TSB.

Accord_Rules
11-30-2013, 04:45 PM
Started my car this morning in cold weather (around 40 degrees). Whining disappeared. Once again thanks for this TSB.

vasekvi
11-30-2013, 05:12 PM
After listening to the groaning all last winter, and it's actually getting cold here again; so looked for this answer. $4 for ring and fluid shipped. 5 minute fix. Thanks for the pix Vaskevi.


Started my car this morning in cold weather (around 40 degrees). Whining disappeared. Once again thanks for this TSB.

No problemo!

tridenturs
12-03-2013, 02:29 PM
Hi, Please share the online purchase link for both Oring and the fluid.

Accord_Rules
12-09-2013, 11:18 AM
It is much cheaper to buy it from your local dealer than from an online parts dealer for small things like this O-ring and PS fluid. That's what I did. It's better to use online parts dealers when you need something major.

jafakin
12-09-2013, 09:42 PM
Thanks vasekvi!! did this after hearing that annoying groan and no more noise on cold winter start.

2003accordv6
12-13-2013, 01:17 AM
if your leak is coming anywhere from the power steering pump hose, all 2003-2007 v6's were recalled for that problem and they'll fix it for free. http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6912-en

jimijam
12-13-2013, 08:29 AM
It is much cheaper to buy it from your local dealer than from an online parts dealer for small things like this O-ring and PS fluid. That's what I did. It's better to use online parts dealers when you need something major.This is NOT accurate. My local stealership sells at or above MSRP for just about everything, though they do include a free crusher washer when you buy an oil filter at MSRP, and then there is sales tax. Ordering from someplace like Curry Acura is not only less (sometimes much less) than MSRP, but shipping is free and there is not tax to 49 other states.

BLCKFLSH
12-16-2013, 02:49 PM
if your leak is coming anywhere from the power steering pump hose, all 2003-2007 v6's were recalled for that problem and they'll fix it for free. http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6912-en

The recalled hose, in the link you posted, is a different hose. The leaky, noisy o-ring in this DIY is the "inlet" hose, going from the power steering fluid reservoir, to the bottom of the power steering pump. The recalled hose, is the high pressure hose, going from the rear top of the power steering pump, to the rack behind the engine. The recall hose will cost you nothing (safety recall the dealership has to do free of charge). The inlet hose o-ring will cost you the price of the o-ring, plus tax and time.

r***r
12-16-2013, 06:43 PM
Cars been whining for a couple of weeks, found this thread last week. Bought the part and fluid. Got it done today. No more whine. Great write-up and pics made it easy.

Thanks vasekvi,

Rich

Douglas Mariani
03-24-2014, 09:32 AM
I did this about two weeks ago and No More Noise!!!

Thanks :thmsup:

ChrisQ80
03-24-2014, 11:43 AM
This is NOT accurate. My local stealership sells at or above MSRP for just about everything, though they do include a free crusher washer when you buy an oil filter at MSRP, and then there is sales tax. Ordering from someplace like Curry Acura is not only less (sometimes much less) than MSRP, but shipping is free and there is not tax to 49 other states.

You have some really bad dealerships there. I went to my local dealer to get the new red O ring for this and they just gave it to me. They said it's very common.

Most dealerships have discounts for enthusiasts as well. I made friends with the sales manager, and my oil filters are $5 a piece, and discounts on other parts/fluids as well.


After I did this the P/S was much quieter, the black O ring was pretty brittle.

BLCKFLSH
03-24-2014, 01:41 PM
You have some really bad dealerships there. I went to my local dealer to get the new red O ring for this and they just gave it to me. They said it's very common.

Most dealerships have discounts for enthusiasts as well. I made friends with the sales manager, and my oil filters are $5 a piece, and discounts on other parts/fluids as well.


After I did this the P/S was much quieter, the black O ring was pretty brittle.

I guess if we had all sorts of time to spend making friends at the dealership, we could get discounts too. I much rather order the parts online, and have them shipped to my door, than try to race to the dealership after work before they close, for them to tell me they can't match the online prices, and accuse HandA and Majestic Honda of selling imitation Honda parts. I don't think the parts guy at the local dealership has any friends.

enochyoo
03-24-2014, 04:05 PM
Is this just for the V6 model? (TSB says so..) or does it apply to I4 models as well?

ChrisQ80
03-24-2014, 07:42 PM
I guess if we had all sorts of time to spend making friends at the dealership, we could get discounts too. I much rather order the parts online, and have them shipped to my door, than try to race to the dealership after work before they close, for them to tell me they can't match the online prices, and accuse HandA and Majestic Honda of selling imitation Honda parts. I don't think the parts guy at the local dealership has any friends.

I don't spend much time there, I'm just polite, usually the person working there is interested in Honda's as well so they want to help people out. Sometimes I order online as well if I see a good deal.

I like making friends when it comes to car people as it's my passion/hobby.

Serstylz2
04-02-2014, 03:35 PM
frustrated. Also stripping the bolt as the previous user mentioned. It's made of the softest metal ever

BLCKFLSH
04-02-2014, 05:05 PM
frustrated. Also stripping the bolt as the previous user mentioned. It's made of the softest metal ever
One of those pointed vise-grips might get it off, but I would buy a new bolt to go with the new orange o-ring before you even remove it. Maybe spray a little PB blaster on it for a day or two before.

Serstylz2
04-02-2014, 05:11 PM
One of those pointed vise-grips might get it off, but I would buy a new bolt to go with the new orange o-ring before you even remove it. Maybe spray a little PB blaster on it for a day or two before.

yea I'm gonna grab a new bolt and actually pop by Jiffy Lube and see if one of the guys there can pop it off for me, they are usually pretty cool about those things. Dont really feel like taking off the whole PS pump just to do this but if they won't help me out I'll do that next, I can't get a good angle with the pulley in the way

BLCKFLSH
04-02-2014, 05:17 PM
Always a good idea to use the boxed/closed end of the wrench when possible. Good luck

Serstylz2
04-03-2014, 03:34 AM
how long is the bolt itself, anyone know? I don't wanna grab something way too long or short when I get a replacement.

coolwhiptx
04-15-2014, 04:19 PM
I just replaced my O Ring and it took about 15 mins. The new O Ring made a world of a difference on my car.