someday maybe someday

[anysia]

until then, i'd like to have my user id removed from forums.

i enjoyed, appreciated, and frequented this site while it was in the members' control. it's seems to have lost that with the latest behind the scenes, only the executives get to pick moderators bit.

i firmly believe the option should have been left open to all members as was the ORIGINAL selection. people nominate people, people accept, and a final vote for the top 3 can be taken in a poll.

i know everyone thinks i'm b!chy and pointless, which is why i'm requesting to have my name removed.

have a nice life everyone and i hope you enjoy the small dictatorship this place is becoming.

[Accord4Life]

Anysia why are you doing this. For the last 2 days I've felt like this thread is One life to live or something. And we're not making it that way, you are, and if you want it to stop then just stop making idiotic threads that are negative, and in your words 'pointless'. I mean sure there are some (whose names won't be mentioned) that take one thread and turn it into another, but that's something called freedom of speech and as far as I can see, they are entitled to it.

If you still feel unwanted, and think you need to go, let me say this, I don't think your unwanted and I don't want you to go.

Best wishes.
Mike

[princess]

I'm so confused! :dunno:

Ages ago when the word "nominate" was used to select moderators...it really wasn't used in the right since. They (we) were more like just asked & either argreed or disagreed. This round, which was the third, I think, was done the exact same way. The exsisting mods kicked around a few names & 3 stuck. That's all there was to it. If anyone disagreed with the ones chosen, they'd probably reconsider.

Why is this such a big deal?

I can't believe that something as simple as asking a few people to help with making new members feel welcome, point question askers in a direction, throw a little soda on the occational fires.... is such a big deal! I do it with or without a tiltle... :yes: I DID before any title. I'm kinda inclined to think that's why I was asked. Most of us do this....right?

Picking a few doesn't discount the importance of EACH member on this forum! A forum is only a forum because of it's members!

I'm so confused!

[Accord4Life]

Excellent post princess!

Anysia, Im just gonna say this like it is. You are being a dumbbutt. (Wow I sounded like a kid again...) Your leaving a forum with memebrs who appreciate you, and in some sense love and care about you. Why give it all up when you've come thus far?

[ericrwalker]

No matter who controls the forum, isn't it still the same forum? Aren't we all the same people talking on here, and can't we still talk about the same things?

[princess]

I don't want Anysia to leave. I'm disappointed that I haven't heard from her at all! I thought we were friends!!!

There were others that didn't make the final cut that I really wanted! As the forum grows we'll need more.....

[princess]

Aren't we all the same people talking on here, and can't we still talk about the same things?

:yes:

Yep. Car stuff & non car stuff..... :D

[ericrwalker]

good we can still talk, it doesn't matter who's controlling. Don't leave Anysia :bawl:

[BenjiBoy650]

Moderators have no negative effect over members who are not creating trouble. Once in a while, when I have the power, I correct an obviously misspelled word but I alert the poster via PM. Regardless of who's controlling what, they only have an effect on the people who are causing trouble, and even then we do not have the power to ban them or "slap them on the wrist" as some might think.

[princess]

:yes:

Yep, pretty much just the power of editing.... :dunno: Which I almost never have used! :lmao:

[OwAce]

there are political issues on driveaccord? :paranoid:

[EXLNavi]

As for choosing moderators - personally I feel that the moderators were chosen from the most neutral persons on the forum. SSMV6 and jermy4 do seem to be good, neutral choices for moderators. I do sincerely believe that they will do a great job.

I met SSMV6 in person and he's a really nice guy. I hope to meet jermy4 one day too, but from the forum he seems like a really nice guy too. I don't see them abusing power in any way. In fact, this forum itself doesn't really lend itself to that sort of thing, IMO.

anysia, were you upset because you weren't chosen? Why should you be? IMO, I don't think you should. Being a moderator of a forum isn't all that it's cracked up to be. In some cases you quickly make enemies and people don't view you as being the same anymore. Other times as a leader you're forced to make hard decisions about people who you may think of as your friends or maybe just your acquaintances. So be thankful you have that weight off your shoulders!

And personally I think that moderators are there to simply enforce the rules and encourage a civil discussion, not to censor opinions. So have no fear of that, I don't think anyone is going to censor opinions.

Goodbye from DA anysia. I hope we can still be friends outside of the forum though. You have my contact info so feel free to keep in touch!!

I do hope you reconsider, but if you want to leave, well I wish you all the best.

[BenjiBoy650]

As for choosing moderators - personally I feel that the moderators were chosen from the most neutral persons on the forum. SSMV6 and jermy4 do seem to be good, neutral choices for moderators. I do sincerely believe that they will do a great job.
Exactly. That's what we tried to do, and I think we did a good job. And I don't think I'm that great a mod, I tend to create the argument than to diffuse it :dunno:

[EXLNavi]

Exactly. That's what we tried to do, and I think we did a good job. And I don't think I'm that great a mod, I tend to create the argument than to diffuse it :dunno:


Nothing against you, Ben, but had it been up to me, I would probably have not chosen you as a moderator. Sometimes you get involved in heated discussion and some may view your moderator status as something that can affect the direction of the discussion. Personally I would have chosen someone less involved in the discussions, maybe someone who lurks a lot and posts a few comments here and there.

But of course, it's not up to me, so I trust that wards and whoever else is in charge has made the right decision.

[BenjiBoy650]

Hey nobody's perfect

[EXLNavi]

Hey nobody's perfect


I know, we all have our flaws. :)

[Rottenappel]

We drive Hondas, doesn't that make us close to perfect?

[EXLNavi]

We drive Hondas, doesn't that make us close to perfect?


I'll give you a ride in my rattling, squeaking Honda with orange peel paint and I'll show you perfect! :lmao:

[princess]

:lmao:

No such thing as perfect! Even us Honda drivers.... :paranoid: but shhhhh....don't tell anybody!

I depend on Ben A LOT!! So I accept his "imperfections" as I hope he (& all of you) do mine. I get too emotional at times....which causes me to take things to heart when they shouldn't be. Luckily, I don't usually say the first thing I think... whew! We're all lucky for that!! :lmao:

We just muddle along....doing our best.

I think we have a good family here...it pains me to know anyone is hurt, but I have hope we ca all get beyond it. :yes:

[Rottenappel]

As a new born in the family I have to say that I am glad to be home.

[stiller fan]

anysia:

i honestly wouldn't make it a big deal to begin with.... granted, both me and you arrived on the forum here around the same time, and i was never asked or contacted about being a moderator...... i honestly have no problem with that at all..... i will continue to post on here, and continue to take the heat about my car that some people say "abuse on a daily basis"...... :lmao: :nuts: ;) :blah:

hope that you re-consider..... :hug:

- Josh

[stevencrosbie]

I'm new here as a member, but I have been reading this forum for a couple years (don't ask me why I never joined). Please reconsider b/c these sites are nothing w/o an active member pool. Plus, the more opinions/minds we have, the better conversations and help we can offer. :yes:

[Wardsweb]

Well being the most powerful person on this site, I guess that makes me the ultimate dictator, but really the site is run by the members. I give a guiding hand every now and then and I do ban the obvious spammers and flamers, but that aside it's the everyday people who set the tone. We have a very nice community here. We have fun, share information and even touch on some topics I wouldn't go near on any other site because I know the people here are open minded and not out to burn anyone. This is how we like it and how I hope it stays.

Anysia, the door is always open and you're welcome anytime. :)

[anysia]

one thing i do feel i have to clear up. it's not that i wasn't chosen at all. i dont' want the burden anyway and with stevel having access to everything, i essentially have access to what he does anyway without the "risks" associated.

my problem is that the general public on the board was not approached for nominations, for who we felt would be appropriate for the positions. i would like ot have a say in WHO is moderating. i would like to be able to make recommendations, discuss things with the other members and have the decisions made based on what we, as an entire forum/community, feel should or shouldn't be done.

it was done behind the general forum's back and left up to a select few to determine who they felt was most acceptable. (and i could come up with a list as to why each person was good/bad/neutral compared to other possible options as well.)

i discussed that with princess a bit yesterday. it is all about HOW it was done. and how it left me feeling like i don't matter because i was not approached for my opinion regarding who or anything. and the rest of the board was not approached for their opinions either. and by goly, we all knwo we all have those opinions.

if i have offended anyone or upset anyone, sorry, but as we all know as well, i'm not one to keep my mouth shut and as an active forum member, it left me feeling a bit jilted about how this was conducted.

[Inspector1]

Well that is a very fair opinion :yes:

Now my ? to you is WHO would you have picked?????


I1 :)

[stevel]

I do agree that public choice would have been cool. would have verified the type of group we have here. a group, making choices, or at least having a say in them.. ya know, that "family" type feel we like to think we have here. :lmao:

anyways....


I do think the choices that the "senior" mods made are good, and I hope my better half sticks around. :) :thmsup:

[anysia]

having discussed it with stevel even i think we both agree the best choice would've been rtf. i feel there could be another girl involved, who, i don't know. all i can think of are michnyc and kjw, neither of which show up constantly, but i bet given the "title" would be around more. they could easily mod the pit where bsaically all of their posts go....

and yes, stevel over me because more people view him as being a more nuetral member and thus he would likely have more of a positive effect than i would. ( i know that's a question lurking for most.....)

[anysia]

no offense to jermy4, he hasn't done anything negative yet on here, but i think since their are so many members with a multitude of posts who we know have this personality or that and have had the chance to show their "real selves" would've been better selections at this point in time.

i didn't really agree with that choice solely based on that. when i think back to my first 200 posts, i bet mine were alot less varied, alot more like the first months of dating someone where you give "your best" and not neccessarily all of who you are.

(no offense jermy4 at all! you could be exactly how you have shown thus far, or on the extreme side, maybe you turn out to be an accord abuser like stiller.... :screwy: )

[anysia]

I do agree that public choice would have been cool. would have verified the type of group we have here. a group, making choices, or at least having a say in them.. ya know, that "family" type feel we like to think we have here. :lmao:

anyways....


I do think the choices that the "senior" mods made are good, and I hope my better half sticks around. :) :thmsup:
ah yes, the exact quality that makes him better than me.... trying to smooth it over in the public eye.......

not exactly what we had discussed yesterday....... last night it seemed that he did agree that maybe such a newbie shouldn't be in the position of mod just yet...... especially when there were other options.....
:rolleyes:

[stevel]

ah yes, the exact quality that makes him better than me.... trying to smooth it over in the public eye.......

not exactly what we had discussed yesterday....... last night it seemed that he did agree that maybe such a newbie shouldn't be in the position of mod just yet...... especially when there were other options.....
:rolleyes:
yeah, I do agree a choice of someone to "new" be questionable, but I don't see a problem giving jermy4 a chance. like it's been said, seems like a good member. if things go badly, power can always be taken away.

[anysia]

yeah, I do agree a choice of someone to "new" be questionable, but I don't see a problem giving jermy4 a chance. like it's been said, seems like a good member. if things go badly, power can always be taken away.
seems to be ok now. so did alot of other people when so new.....

what was wrong with holding him out for a future addition to the list of mods? once he's been around a little longer? :dunno:

the other options are out there and i think they shouldve been given the chance first.

[stevel]

seems to be ok now. so did alot of other people when so new.....

what was wrong with holding him out for a future addition to the list of mods? once he's been around a little longer? :dunno:

the other options are out there and i think they shouldve been given the chance first.
I don't know, I had no say in that decision. but like I said, they can demote someone I'm sure. :dunno:

[anysia]

I don't know, I had no say in that decision. but like I said, they can demote someone I'm sure. :dunno:
i know you had no say. and that doesn't mean you have to agree with it on here to just cushion everything and remain nuetral on here. you can speak your mind to. either tell me you have no problem with the selections at all or tell the boards that you do. simple as that.

[Inspector1]

High post counts does not = good moderator material always.

I am quite sure several have noticed my post #'s dwindle but sometimes it is better to stay out of the discussion and let the members interact. Thats how the forum grows.

I think interaction between members is very important and a Mod jumping in and posting may scare a newbie from getting involved in the discussion.

When Ward 1st made us mods and had a vote if you go back and look at the thread you will see that the majority of post are by the 3 mods , Wards and less than a handful of others.

I think as the forum grows we cannot rely on that sort of thing anymore or it will turn into a popularity contest.... I think we are all past High School now.. :yes:


I1 :)

[anysia]

High post counts does not = good moderator material always.

I am quite sure several have noticed my post #'s dwindle but sometimes it is better to stay out of the discussion and let the members interact. Thats how the forum grows.

I think interaction between members is very important and a Mod jumping in and posting may scare a newbie from getting involved in the discussion.

When Ward 1st made us mods and had a vote if you go back and look at the thread you will see that the majority of post are by the 3 mods , Wards and less than a handful of others.

I think as the forum grows we cannot rely on that sort of thing anymore or it will turn into a popularity contest.... I think we are all past High School now.. :yes:


I1 :)
i think in a way it was still a popularity contest, but it was determined by who the "teachers" liked the most versus who the students did......

didn't really solve that problem.

i was going to bring up it could've been left to the main forum to noominate people, then the mods could have the final say in who out of those noms actually got the positions. that way it wouldn't be entirely out of control, but the rest of us wouldn't be jilted as we were.

by saying it cant be left to the main forum, it's like saying we can't be trusted.

i would be equally mad had i been approached for my opiniion via pm or email or something and the rest of the forum hadnt been approached because that wouldn't have been fair either.

[Inspector1]

the rest of us wouldn't be jilted as we were.

Would all the other jilted members please chime in!!!!!!

I1 :)

[anysia]

Would all the other jilted members please chime in!!!!!!

I1 :)
that would be every member who wasn't approached for who they thought would be fitting for the position.........

some may not feel as strongly as me, but it doesn't change the fact that they weren't asked what they wanted either.

[EXLNavi]

Oh I've been jilted many times over, but I have a feeling that it won't be related to this discussion... :lmao: :(

[EXLNavi]

that would be every member who wasn't approached for who they thought would be fitting for the position.........

some may not feel as strongly as me, but it doesn't change the fact that they weren't asked what they wanted either.


Well okay, I felt that I would have been approached sooner or later, but if I was, I wasn't going to accept. Yeah, I know it's unlikely anyway, but that's how I felt.

I'm not comfortable with the power as a moderator and I feel that people discussing with me won't feel free to speak their mind with "EXLNavi the moderator" versus just plain old Ryan.

Being a regular guy/gal has its advantages. You can bitch and moan and complain about the powers that be, and you can mingle with other forum members without them having the artificial fear that the moderator hammer is going to fall.

And most importantly you get to speak your mind without having to be unbiased all the damn time. I know some moderators of other sites that are under constant attack because they are moderators. Every little thing they say gets scrutinized! Who in their right mind wants that?!?!?

[Inspector1]

Oh I've been jilted many times over, but I have a feeling that it won't be related to this discussion... :lmao: :(
:lmao: :lmao: ....

Come on now EXLNavi get on top this molehill I mean mountain.

I1 :)

[anysia]

:lmao: :lmao: ....

Come on now EXLNavi get on top this molehill I mean mountain.

I1 :)
:rolleyes:

[Inspector1]

the moderator hammer is going to fall.

That is a rare occurrence here I believe.

I1 :)

[anysia]

That is a rare occurrence here I believe.

I1 :)
sometimes a little too rare when people get personal. :rolleyes:

[Inspector1]

sometimes a little too rare when people get personal. :rolleyes:

Some people take things toooooooooooooooooooooo personal................

I1 :)

[anysia]

Some people take things toooooooooooooooooooooo personal................

I1 :)
don't think so.

[anysia]

I don't know, I had no say in that decision. but like I said, they can demote someone I'm sure. :dunno:
you never responded. trying to avoid an argument to the below post of mine??

"i know you had no say. and that doesn't mean you have to agree with it on here to just cushion everything and remain nuetral on here. you can speak your mind to. either tell me you have no problem with the selections at all or tell the boards that you do. simple as that."

[anysia]

why is it that so many people will say one thing in "private" and completely different or a much less aggressive version when in public??

grow some balls people!!!!!

[Inspector1]

Hey anysia,

If you feel it was a popularity contest then your name would have been at the top.(Don't you think?)

I think you have been here long enough to know that!!

I1 :) :yes:

[anysia]

Hey anysia,

If you feel it was a popularity contest then your name would have been at the top.(Don't you think?)

I think you have been here long enough to know that!!

I1 :) :yes:
nope because i speak my mind too much and that bothers too many people. even stevel has stopped me from posting things before because he didnt want me to add more fuel to certain fires.

but, um, i do have one question.... goal of mods is to make new memebrs feel welcome, direct them in the right direction to find answers etc, so why do people need expertise to do that? you need to be able to read. you need to be able to type the word "welcome". but knowledge on anything in particualr?? don't think you really need that as a qualification.

[Inspector1]

nope because i speak my mind too much and that bothers too many people. even stevel has stopped me from posting things before because he didnt want me to add more fuel to certain fires.

but, um, i do have one question.... goal of mods is to make new memebrs feel welcome, direct them in the right direction to find answers etc, so why do people need expertise to do that? you need to be able to read. you need to be able to type the word "welcome". but knowledge on anything in particualr?? don't think you really need that as a qualification.

I guess I am insulted as well as princess and Benj if you think that we don't like you because you speak your mind..... :dunno: :dunno: :thumbsdow

Sorry I1 :sorry:

[EXLNavi]

That is a rare occurrence here I believe.

I1 :)


Okay so let me play devil's advocate here -

If it's a rare occurrence, why was there a need to appoint more moderators?

Couldn't the existing ones have just enforced the rules a bit more? The whole incident with Cal getting personal with people comes to mind.

[anysia]

I guess I am insulted as well as princess and Benj if you think that we don't like you because you speak your mind..... :dunno: :dunno: :thumbsdow

Sorry I1 :sorry:
and i am at the very least equally insulted that the rest of us couldn't have been trusted to contribute to making the choices for new mods.


or as exl is saying, as to whether we even needed new mods...

i still don't even think there was a need for them. and i don't think, given the level of actual modding you guys do, that there was a valid need for additional mods.

[Inspector1]

Okay so let me play devil's advocate here -

If it's a rare occurrence, why was there a need to appoint more moderators?

Couldn't the existing ones have just enforced the rules a bit more? The whole incident with Cal getting personal with people comes to mind.

The Cal incident was never reported to me!!! Hard to fix a problem if you don't know about it!!

More moderators means more eyes too see problems and report.
If members report post then the can be handled but if members decide to fight their own fight then :dunno:

I1 :)

[Inspector1]

and i am at the very least equally insulted that the rest of us couldn't have been trusted to contribute to making the choices for new mods.


or as exl is saying, as to whether we even needed new mods...

i still don't even think there was a need for them. and i don't think, given the level of actual modding you guys do, that there was a valid need for additional mods.

See above post!

I1 :)

[anysia]

The Cal incident was never reported to me!!! Hard to fix a problem if you don't know about it!!

More moderators means more eyes too see problems and report.
If members report post then the can be handled but if members decide to fight their own fight then :dunno:

I1 :)
so, out of the 3 new mods, you elected to put the most active one in the least frequented forum where the least fires breakout? that's not gonna help much......

[anysia]

i think we have brought up some valid points and you guys don't want to see that.

drove stevel off for now because he doesnt want to deal with the stress.

[Inspector1]

i think we have brought up some valid points and you guys don't want to see that.

drove stevel off for now because he doesnt want to deal with the stress.

So anysia,

Why don't you lay out a plan for how the forum should be handled!!

It is 3 years old and has glided along pretty smoothly until this point :dunno:

It seems that we have had issues with EX's and Parents and the problems have been limited to a few people and they wanted the forum to be adjusted to handle issues with personal problems... Am I correct?????

I1 :)

[anysia]

So anysia,

Why don't you lay out a plan for how the forum should be handled!!

It is 3 years old and has glided along pretty smoothly until this point :dunno:

It seems that we have had issues with EX's and Parents and the problems have been limited to a few people and they wanted the forum to be adjusted to handle issues with personal issues... Am I correct?????

I1 :)
hey i wasnt the one who requested the one person to be banned.....

it has glided along just fine, which brings up the point of why where things changed? why were mods added, thus giving it an appearance of being a bit mod-saturated and why was it done behind the scenes, which was NOT how it was previously handled (whether people choose to participate in the post or not, it was out there with the request to nominate in the title and everything for anyone who cared to particiapte to go ahead and do so.)

so???

answers?

if it was fine, then why were things changed/handled differently?

and i have made suggestions. i think the ONLY issue related ot modding that was there was that you were the only one outside of wards with access to all the forums. and i know im not the only one with that opinion. more mods really isn't going to positively affect the boards. they have very limited access. what is going to affect it is that the old mods all now have access to all forums.

what is going to affect it is if more mods woudl step up and lock a post when it becomes too derogatory. cal's post is an example, whether or not you were personally here to deal with it doesn't matter. others were here at the time. noone stood up and did anything.

i'm wondering whether any of the current new mods will really enhance that or if they will all stand around with their tail between their legs as well. i have to egg stevel on to state what's really on his mind. he doesnt want people to dislike him. do you really think he'll lock a thread if it gets out of hand?

[EXLNavi]

The Cal incident was never reported to me!!! Hard to fix a problem if you don't know about it!!

More moderators means more eyes too see problems and report.
If members report post then the can be handled but if members decide to fight their own fight then :dunno:

I1 :)

Ah, so the real problem was that people weren't reporting posts.

Gotcha.

I could have sworn someone reported the cal incident though.
Sometimes we don't report stuff because we think that other people already did.

[anysia]

Ah, so the real problem was that people weren't reporting posts.

Gotcha.

I could have sworn someone reported the cal incident though.
Sometimes we don't report stuff because we think that other people already did.
and the cal incidident was being openly discussed with atleast one mod at the time. problem was the access to that forum was not there to do anything about it.

that's where the ACCESS for the old mods needed to be changed. not more mods added.......

[jermy4]

I knew in the back of my mind that I would take some heat from some of the members for being promoted to a moderator and being so new to this forum. I assure you that I am a very good choice for a moderator. I do way more reading than I do posting which makes for a great mod. I also try very very hard not to argue with people and to avoid personal attacks and inappropriate posts.

I'm only a mod over the pit and the polls anyways. In other words, it won't really change much for me personally.

Jeremy

[EXLNavi]

So anysia,

Why don't you lay out a plan for how the forum should be handled!!

It is 3 years old and has glided along pretty smoothly until this point :dunno:

It seems that we have had issues with EX's and Parents and the problems have been limited to a few people and they wanted the forum to be adjusted to handle issues with personal problems... Am I correct?????

I1 :)

Ex's, okay, I remember those.

Parents? WTF? I've never heard of that. :lmao:

I think it's been smooth up to this point.

I think the biggest problem is that people just didn't know how to report posts. One of the (new) moderators didn't even know where the button was. :lmao:

So maybe a sticky with some guidelines would help? And how to report posts that don't fall within the guidelines? Seems about right to me.

[anysia]

Ex's, okay, I remember those.

Parents? WTF? I've never heard of that. :lmao:

I think it's been smooth up to this point.

I think the biggest problem is that people just didn't know how to report posts. One of the (new) moderators didn't even know where the button was. :lmao:

So maybe a sticky with some guidelines would help? And how to report posts that don't fall within the guidelines? Seems about right to me.
and even when the actual post report option hasnt been used, i know posts have been reported via pm's and such.

i know when i was told to shut my pie hole and some other "interesting" stuff, i reported that.slap on the wrist given to original poster there.

parents, yep, my mom spied on me at one point. someone else requested that ip banned.

and to this day i do not appreciate that she was spying on a 27 year old. she knows that and knows she way overstepped her bounds there. and i have discussed that with her.

[stevel]

you never responded. trying to avoid an argument to the below post of mine??

"i know you had no say. and that doesn't mean you have to agree with it on here to just cushion everything and remain nuetral on here. you can speak your mind to. either tell me you have no problem with the selections at all or tell the boards that you do. simple as that."
damn. I told you that jermy4 is new and yeah there are better choices. i.e. rft. that doesn't mean I have a major problem with the choice, just because I agree that there are better choices availible. wheather or not more mods were even needed. I don't know. I read and post when I want to.

I'm done with DA for now. if the way the new mods were chosen backfires. then oops, they screwed up. it's just an internet forum. they come and go. this was a nice one, but in the past six to eight months, whatever, it's changing, and not to my liking which is why I agreed to the position to maybe bring it back to where it was. I don't know if this is the way to fix it. more mods, points system? I don't know. try either? try both? I dunno. either way. not worth the stress in my life at this point. there are more important things to focus energy on for me right now.

[RTexasF]

Wow, where have I been during all of this? I just tuned in to this mess this morning. I congratulate the new mods and frankly don't care how/why they got their new "jobs".

I do see anysia's point but let's face it....this is just an internet forum! A GREAT one, without question, but my life won't stop if it goes off the air. Would I miss it and the people that make it fun? Hell yes I would, but it's still just a forum nonetheless.

In truth it does take a bit of savvy to mod a forum. I've done it before and it's a thankless job that requires time and a lot of discretion. You need to know when to jump in and when to just watch.

I realize some of us have helped with donations but it boils down to this: Ward pays the bills which entitles him to do whatever he wants, it's just that simple. It's HIS baby!!

Anysia & Stevel, don't leave the forum because I'LL miss you. Don't cut off your nose to spite your face!

[EXLNavi]

Yeah, I agree it's just an internet forum.

But on the other hand, to some of us it's a bit more. (which means that I need to get out more, apparently, but anyway...)

Anyway, I am not going to leave in a huff just because some people got chosen as mods and others not. Like I said, BFD.

I do think that the problem could have been solved differently.

I don't think much is going to change.

But I'm willing to give things a chance and see where it goes.

I don't want anysia and stevel to leave either but if they want to, that's their decision.

[anysia]

Yeah, I agree it's just an internet forum.

But on the other hand, to some of us it's a bit more. (which means that I need to get out more, apparently, but anyway...)

Anyway, I am not going to leave in a huff just because some people got chosen as mods and others not. Like I said, BFD.

I do think that the problem could have been solved differently.

I don't think much is going to change.

But I'm willing to give things a chance and see where it goes.

I don't want anysia and stevel to leave either but if they want to, that's their decision.i just tend to be one of those people who try to make everything the perfect world. in reality it won't happen. here, with it being a members' site type set up, it was nice. but that feeling left with the latest.

i cant speak for stevel and his decisions one way or another.

someday when i give up and decide nothing will ever be perfect, maybe it will become easier for me to grin and bear it or whatever. but for now i like to think that some day maybe i can "change the world"~as stupid as that is.

[RTexasF]

If you recall I entered this forum in September of 2004. I reported about a product that worked on my car and decided to share the information. I got crapped on, crapped back, and left the forum.

Later I re-read everything and decided I was hasty and made poor judgements. Obviously I returned and expressed my sorrow about being a Richardhead. I was welcomed and feel like a family member now.

I do hate to see folks leave but do what you must.....I did but returned a better person for it.

[princess]

Um, for the record....I hadn't eaven heard of the CAL thing until yesterday.... so at least 2 of the 3 old/active mods had no idea. And I'm on here daily! I got no PM's about it.

Where is the idea of the "mods" being like forum police come from??? I thought we just mostly kept conversations going! Just like everyone else here.... :dunno: we take care of the occational problems as best we can. But we're just basically editors of a sort.

There's really no qualifications....other than the perception of being level headed. If "speaking your mind" was against the rules, then we'd ALL be in trouble!! The way we chose took the popularity contest OUT of the process. To cause such a fuss over something so piddly seems like WE AREN'T TRUSTED to make the decision! To be stressed out over it seems like a waste of energy!

I like the choices. I like giving a "newbie" a chance based on the posts seen. I like having fresh blood in here & possibly new opinions.

My own personal reasons for wanting to add mods was that we all get busy & the handful just wasn't enough. There's been so many times recently that no mods were here....I think THAT looks bad for new members & lurkers.

I'm here to stay. When I said "yes" to being a mod a couple years back...I'd put it on a 3 month probabtion. I was scared. Found out it's really easy.

It's so hard no to laugh about all the hooplaa!

Yep. Molehill. :yes:

So we didn't do it in a way that pleased everyone. Maybe next time we will do better. Meanwhile, the whole point to the site is to share info & have fun, right? We aren't out to change the world....I tried & I know I can't! :lmao: We aren't going to make everyone happy... that's apparent by which trim levels we favor. The differences of opinion are a good thing!! It's what makes the world such an interesting place!! :thmsup:

[RTexasF]

Good Post Princess. I don't know squat about the CAL thing either. Whatever it was has evidently gone away.

[anysia]

Um, for the record....I hadn't eaven heard of the CAL thing until yesterday.... so at least 2 of the 3 old/active mods had no idea. And I'm on here daily! I got no PM's about it.

Where is the idea of the "mods" being like forum police come from??? I thought we just mostly kept conversations going! Just like everyone else here.... :dunno: we take care of the occational problems as best we can. But we're just basically editors of a sort.

There's really no qualifications....other than the perception of being level headed. If "speaking your mind" was against the rules, then we'd ALL be in trouble!! The way we chose took the popularity contest OUT of the process. To cause such a fuss over something so piddly seems like WE AREN'T TRUSTED to make the decision! To be stressed out over it seems like a waste of energy!

I like the choices. I like giving a "newbie" a chance based on the posts seen. I like having fresh blood in here & possibly new opinions.

My own personal reasons for wanting to add mods was that we all get busy & the handful just wasn't enough. There's been so many times recently that no mods were here....I think THAT looks bad for new members & lurkers.

I'm here to stay. When I said "yes" to being a mod a couple years back...I'd put it on a 3 month probabtion. I was scared. Found out it's really easy.

It's so hard no to laugh about all the hooplaa!

Yep. Molehill. :yes:

So we didn't do it in a way that pleased everyone. Maybe next time we will do better. Meanwhile, the whole point to the site is to share info & have fun, right? We aren't out to change the world....I tried & I know I can't! :lmao: We aren't going to make everyone happy... that's apparent by which trim levels we favor. The differences of opinion are a good thing!! It's what makes the world such an interesting place!! :thmsup:
but why couldnt the rest of us be trusted to contribute to the decision? let the newbies all around have input. let the older ones who may not want the position themselves, but have seen how people develop on here have a say. why can't WE be trusted?

there has never really been any serious issues on here. therefore the current modding was adequate except for inability to move threads to more appropriate locations. or for a mod who was around when something happens to have access to put a stop to it.

most of the people on here didn't even know who the mods were to begin with, so lurkers probably have next to know clue, therefore i doubt that is attracting or scaring anyone away. the only way to fix that is to make sure it's beyond noticeable who is a mod and when they are active. you guys used to have bolded names so it stood out that there must be something different about you. you no longer have htat. and "moderators" is phrased as "forum leaders" which at first glance i would think meant more of who has the most posts in which forum, not who is a mod. so really, it isn't obvious unless you look.

but the behind the scenes decision making hurts those of us who *thought* because it had been stated so many times that this was a members forum. that decisions that affect the forum were left open for us ALL to decide. that was suddenly and unkowingly ripped from the rest of us this time around. it wasnt even asked if we wanted to have a say or if we wanted to leave it up to you guys.

and from reading the behind the scenes stuff, it's obvious there was no intent there to bring it out in public until the choices were already made. although benji tried briefly.

[princess]

We did our best. The subject was brought up before hand & no one seemd to care.

We lived. We've learned. At this point it's time to move past it. :yes:

[anysia]

ok, i promised stevel to leave the forums alone, at work and at home after noon our time today. to take a break. anyone has anything important to say, say it now....

[EXLNavi]

anyone has anything important to say, say it now....


Um, I love you?

[princess]

I hope you stick around.

[anysia]

promised stevel that i won't. past noon i am on hiatus....

stress bad.

[EXLNavi]

I hope you stick around.


Yeah I hope so too! We had so much fun beating up on stiller.

Oh, and I really do love you, just not in the same way that stevel does. :nuts:

[princess]

:grouphug:

[BenjiBoy650]

Alright I'll "grow some balls" and speak the truth then.

Ryan, your name was thrown into the mix but I thought you were a bit too argumentative. Let me be clear that I am not saying I am perfect because I am the same way - get in over my head and get argumentative sometimes. But I WILL make an effort to make that better. Maybe you would have done the same thing, who knows...but it is what it is now...hope you're not too offended.

RTF, your name was brought up too and all of us really wanted you to become a mod. But I thought you would be busy with your new house and moving and all, so you didn't really want to be burdened with being a mod.

Anysia, this is silly. Why are you asking why we need more mods? You know that you were advocating them in other posts. Given that and the fact that you're making a big deal out of this, it makes it look like you really wanted to be mod...and you know why you weren't chosen.

Cal incident - no mods or supermods have the authority to ban him. Only Wards can do that. And you cannot simply delete his posts because other forum members were already arguing with him. Delete only his posts and it looks like everybody is talking to themselves. If we had caught it BEFORE it progressed, it could have been dealt with easier. THIS is why we need more mods.

Mods need to know their technical stuff because most of the time, newbs don't come on here and go "hi." Normally it goes more along the lines of "hey I need to know where to get part xxx and how I go about replacing it" and not everybody is going to have a good answer for them.

jermy4 is new, I give ya that. BUT, when we (me, princess, etc) were new, there were no big fights. Okay, so when we were new, we could not have shown every aspect of our (online) personality yet to be considered for mod (which is why we waited a while). However, jermy4 has come in amidst turmoil and BS and shown that he has a level head. I agree with him, he's a good choice. Maybe not the best, but good.

The new mods chosen also have the advantage of being on at different times. I'm going back to school, 8-2 minimum...I'm not going to be around here all the time. When me and princess and I1 are out, SSMV6 and maybe jermy4 and stevel can fill in and keep things chill. I see them online in the mornings and afternoons while I'm on break. That way, there's always someone to diffuse the situation.

MOVING ON...

[SSMV6]

Anysia, sorry to hear you feel this way. It took me quite a while to finish reading all the posts in this thread! Like many of us who has posted before, I will be sad to see you leave, also. It shouldn't have to come to this and I hope you would think it though carefully. You will always be welcomed here. :grouphug:

[RTexasF]

Alright I'll "grow some balls" and speak the truth then.

Ryan, your name was thrown into the mix but I thought you were a bit too argumentative. Let me be clear that I am not saying I am perfect because I am the same way - get in over my head and get argumentative sometimes. But I WILL make an effort to make that better. Maybe you would have done the same thing, who knows...but it is what it is now...hope you're not too offended.

RTF, your name was brought up too and all of us really wanted you to become a mod. But I thought you would be busy with your new house and moving and all, so you didn't really want to be burdened with being a mod.

Anysia, this is silly. Why are you asking why we need more mods? You know that you were advocating them in other posts. Given that and the fact that you're making a big deal out of this, it makes it look like you really wanted to be mod...and you know why you weren't chosen.

Cal incident - no mods or supermods have the authority to ban him. Only Wards can do that. And you cannot simply delete his posts because other forum members were already arguing with him. Delete only his posts and it looks like everybody is talking to themselves. If we had caught it BEFORE it progressed, it could have been dealt with easier. THIS is why we need more mods.

Mods need to know their technical stuff because most of the time, newbs don't come on here and go "hi." Normally it goes more along the lines of "hey I need to know where to get part xxx and how I go about replacing it" and not everybody is going to have a good answer for them.

jermy4 is new, I give ya that. BUT, when we (me, princess, etc) were new, there were no big fights. Okay, so when we were new, we could not have shown every aspect of our (online) personality yet to be considered for mod (which is why we waited a while). However, jermy4 has come in amidst turmoil and BS and shown that he has a level head. I agree with him, he's a good choice. Maybe not the best, but good.

The new mods chosen also have the advantage of being on at different times. I'm going back to school, 8-2 minimum...I'm not going to be around here all the time. When me and princess and I1 are out, SSMV6 and maybe jermy4 and stevel can fill in and keep things chill. I see them online in the mornings and afternoons while I'm on break. That way, there's always someone to diffuse the situation.

MOVING ON...


BRAVO! WELL SAID.

Thanks that some thought of me and you were correct.... Got too much to do and don't want to moderate anyway. It's a job best suited to others. If I have something to say I'm going to say it if it chaps the Pope's rear end. That's not a good moderator attitude. Obviously I'm not talking about being nasty or disrespectful, there's no place for that.

I'm with Benji- Head 'em up, move 'em out. If someone doesn't like it here then they shouldn't wait for the door to hit them in the ass!

Move on!

[EXLNavi]

Alright I'll "grow some balls" and speak the truth then.

Ryan, your name was thrown into the mix but I thought you were a bit too argumentative. Let me be clear that I am not saying I am perfect because I am the same way - get in over my head and get argumentative sometimes. But I WILL make an effort to make that better. Maybe you would have done the same thing, who knows...but it is what it is now...hope you're not too offended.

Ben, I am no more argumentative than you are. Hope we are clear on that.

Anyway, had I been chosen, I would not have wanted it anyway, precisely because I can be accused of all sorts of stuff when debate gets heated. No sour grapes or anything.

I do get the feeling that anysia wanted to be a mod. That's pretty clear.

However, I do stand by my assertion that I don't think we needed any more moderators, just people reporting posts. I still do think a FAQ is needed. I've seen and contributed to FAQs at other sites and they save quite a lot of searching for newbies.

Oh, and with regards to anysia leaving - weren't you yourself talking about leaving just a couple of days ago? You and stevel's comment about the "ricer element" and leaving seems to have a little bit of elitism going on. I think anysia has some of that going on too, but in a different way.

To be honest, I really didn't like it at all, but didn't really say that much because I didn't think it was such a big deal. But now I just thought I'd get that out there too while I was at it. I think that sort of elitism totally sucks and scares away new members from the site. We can gently discourage the ricer element without actually coming out and saying "we don't like ricers."

And the biggest one of all - Apart from the Cal incident, I really didn't see what warranted more moderating on this site. I think it was fine the way it was.

I had asked you for more proof of the ricer element popping up on DA, and you hadn't responded. Where is it? Because I haven't really seen any.

[BenjiBoy650]

Ben, I am no more argumentative than you are. Hope we are clear on that.
Definitely true.

I still do think a FAQ is needed.
Still need to know what to put in it...things take time.

Oh, and with regards to anysia leaving - weren't you yourself talking about leaving just a couple of days ago?
Was a rash "decision" (not really since I didn't carry through but ya know...) on my part. After I calmed down and stopped being so irritated, I realized there's still a lot of good things on this site.

We can gently discourage the ricer element without actually coming out and saying "we don't like ricers."

I had asked you for more proof of the ricer element popping up on DA, and you hadn't responded. Where is it? Because I haven't really seen any.
Giving you more proof would have required me to single out members.

And the biggest one of all - Apart from the Cal incident, I really didn't see what warranted more moderating on this site. I think it was fine the way it was.
Okay, but I still stand by my reasoning for wanting more mods. Again, mods can't hurt people who don't do wrong.

[EXLNavi]

Giving you more proof would have required me to single out members.

Okay then, do it in PM. I promise not to tell.

I've been looking at posts in the various forums and honestly I haven't seen anything that qualifies as ricey. At least not more than usual. :dunno:

You see what I'm getting at here, Ben. If the ricer element is people (i.e. known ricers from other sites) registering and posting normal DA stuff, then we don't have a problem.

If it's people posting excessive ricey mods and all sorts of ricey things like how their vinyl adds horsepower (ridiculous exaggeration, I know) etc, then we have a problem.

And I'm not so sure I'm seeing much of the latter, unless you show me otherwise.

[princess]

Isn't this horse dead yet????? :lmao:

[BenjiBoy650]

Asking me to badmouth members behind their back? Trying to get me in trouble or what? :lmao:

Let's move on...

[EXLNavi]

Asking me to badmouth members behind their back? Trying to get me in trouble or what? :lmao:

Let's move on...

No, I'm asking you to point out specific posts or threads. You can omit the the member names if you feel that it will be equivalent to you singling out people.

If all I hear are excuses, I can only come to the reasonable conclusion that there isn't any unusual amount of "rice" activity going on on DA.

[RTexasF]

dead horse

[princess]

:lmao:

[stiller fan]

this will be my final post in this thread......

JMHO, but this is an internet forum, people!!! everyone on here is free to come and go as they choose, and everyone understands that......

that being said, i do understand where anysia is coming from more now than when i was on last night; do i feel that the whole mod voting process could have been handled differently? sure, they're could have been a number of ways to do it. but, what's said is said, and what's done is done......

i have also noticed a bit of a ricey aspect beginning to creep into the forum on here as well...... as long as it doesn't get out of control, as mentioned earlier, then there shouldn't be a problem here......

regardless of how many more times that cal shows up, or anything wired happens, or the arguments happen, as long as it seems to be still an enjoyable forum, i will continue to contribute on here as well....... hell, that joke that got way out of hand last year make me think long and hard as to whether i was going to come on here again..... but, i got over it, and am still here today.....

bottom line here: everything that happens on here is not going to please everyone 100% of the time; there is no way that it can happen, with the size that this forum has gotten to now........ the forum is here to exchange ideas, info, and pictures of car-related, and non-car-related items a la DA bear. if people are looking for something else to do with their time, then go right on ahead....... in the meantime, i am staying.....

[OwAce]

who was cal? :dunno: and what is this incident you speak of? :paranoid:

[04blkpearlcoupe]

ANYSIA...

For whatever its worth, I want you to stay. You were the first one who replied to me in these forums and I liked you from the start and thought you were one of the coolest people I have ever met in an automotive forum, and I've been to MANY. Beleive it or not everytime I think of this place its hard to think of it without you in it. I don't know what all happened in the last year or so but I still consider you one of the nicest, coolest peeps on here so whatever is in the past, let it be water under the bridge and know that you'll always have people who care about you here.

Gabe

p.s. don't let the drama get to you. Iv'e been there myself and its best to just put the drama behind you and move on. Most members won't even know what happened and those that do will forget about it quickly. I used to moderate on a very active honda board that had over 10,000 members at the time and I got into alot of drama with one of the other mods who nobody liked but was a personal friend of the admin's. It got so bad between me and the other mod that I finally quit. Things got very personal, very stupid and very immature. After a couple months I came back and everyone welcomed me with open arms as if nothing happened (except the other mod who had apparently quit too...or maybe he was forced out???). I'm just saying, arguments and opinions are never really as big of a deal as they seem.

[EXLNavi]

who was cal? :dunno: and what is this incident you speak of? :paranoid:


Cal was a troll who started to attack anysia, stevel, ben and me in the thread about tires warranty.

I have a feeling he might be a sock puppet of someone else who just wanted to cause some trouble.

[psyshack]

WOW!!!!!

dictatorship, jilted, people should be contacted to choose mods. Woooo. Take a break busy at work and see that a bowl of prozac needs to be passed around.

I think the mod choices are great! :thmsup: How its done is Wards thing.

[andysinnh]

Wow - I never even saw this thread till this morning and I'm on most every day!!!

I think that (for me anyway) I only go through thread areas where I have interest - Tires, General, 7th Gen, Problems, and a few others. I do go down to "The Pit" once in a while. But I'll be honest - I don't have the time to go thru every thread that is active in this forum - it's HUGE!!! The only other one I actively follow is hondapilot.org, and there I also only go down a few thread areas......

To everyone here - we all have our good days and bad days, and sometimes threads carry subjects that get us all "riled up" - but that's life. As long as nobody is degrading anyone in a serious fashion, and posting things by the rules, and getting answers to folks who ask the questions - then that's all you can ask for in an open forum like this. If you want more control, then it needs to be a members-only forum, and I don't think we want THAT to happen.

I enjoy my time here and really appreciate everyone elses' thoughts, critcisisms, and support. And I'm sure I get on other folks' nerves from time to time - but that's part of life.

Anysia/Stevel - you have this forum to thank for your current situation in life, and you have to take that as a positive for sure. But you also need to know when to turn the other cheek for a while and let things slide off your back. As I've said in an earlier note about parenting - you have to choose your battles and move on.

andy

[RTexasF]

Anysia/Stevel - you have this forum to thank for your current situation in life, and you have to take that as a positive for sure. But you also need to know when to turn the other cheek for a while and let things slide off your back. As I've said in an earlier note about parenting - you have to choose your battles and move on.

Very, very thoughtful. My shared birthday friend, I admire you more all the time. Why? You got the brain cells and I got the FIRE! Trade? The Fire has caused me a lot more problems than stable gray matter would have.