Who makes the Accord oil filters for Honda

[Bob Calvary]

I don't want to start WW3, I'm new to this forum and was thinking about getting "they said" OEM oil filters by Tippon at $4 each for my 2004 Accord EX. Is this a true OEM or is this not true? Thanks in advance
Bob

[according2me]

Last year Filtech made the USA manufactured one and Fram made the Canadian one.

This year those have been superceded by a new one, but I haven't bought one of these yet so I don't know who the manufacturer is. If you have one of these smaller "new" filters, look closely at it, it may have the manufacturer printed on it.

[adam1991]

It just flat-out doesn't matter who the manufacturer is. There's no correlation between what a manufacturer may put out on the shelf for retail sale and what the manufacturer builds for an OEM.

Retail sales and OEM are completely different animals. Honda doesn't want to build an oil filter factory, so they simply contract with someone who has already operating one. But Honda doesn't simply buy the existing product like you and I do; they specify it to their own specs, and the manufacturer simply uses his facility to build the product as Honda would if Honda had an oil filter factory.

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by adam1991
It just flat-out doesn't matter who the manufacturer is. There's no correlation between what a manufacturer may put out on the shelf for retail sale and what the manufacturer builds for an OEM.

Retail sales and OEM are completely different animals. Honda doesn't want to build an oil filter factory, so they simply contract with someone who has already operating one. But Honda doesn't simply buy the existing product like you and I do; they specify it to their own specs, and the manufacturer simply uses his facility to build the product as Honda would if Honda had an oil filter factory.

In addition...their specs suck. I wouldn't use their filter, especially not if I'm going to stretch it to 7500 mile between oil changes. Go buy a better filter from a parts store even if it is more expensive.

[Inspector1]

As far as filters go, OEM and private label are the same. I spent 3 days at the Wix manufacturing plant in N Carolina a few years back.
They make Wix, Napa, Carquest, some Motorcraft, John Deere, Kubota, Big A to name a few. When you manufacture a filter for say Motorcraft you have approx 6-10 components it rolls down the line and at the end when its painted they run off say 5000 with Motorcraft label and then 2000 Wix 2000 Napa and 1000 Carquest. they are all the same filter except for the paint, label and box.
OEM manufactures " do not design oil filters or manufacture them"
Yes they may say to manufacturer we need a check valve in our filter due to mounting position IE on its side so oil doesn't run out of filter back into crankcase every time you shut off engine!
It would not be cost effective for manufacture to change design specs for every label....
As far as warranty situations if the filter fails the filter manufacturer is liable for any damage....
In my 20 years dealing with vehicles and maintenance I have never seen or heard of a oil filter failure... that was truly the fault of the filter... I have seen several failures due to improper installation, IE double gasketing, over & under torqued, no gasket and yes prior damage before installation.
So in a nutshell use whatever filter and oil you choose, just make sure you service it when it is needed..... Heck if you own the car and never change the oil or use generic oil and filters it is your own choice........ Remember we live in a country that allows you to have that freedom... So if someone tells you what to use take it as a recommendation and go on.... it's still your choice!!!!!

I1:) :)

[adam1991]

It would not be cost effective for manufacture to change design specs for every label....

That may or may not be the case. What's most likely is that the manufacturer picks a filter design, regardless of where it comes from, and tests with that filter design. So, by the end of testing, the automaker knows the performance of the vehicle using those parts. It doesn't know to the same degree the performance of the vehicle using other parts.

[Inspector1]

Oil filters are not that complex of a component... Basically a threaded boss installed into a base w o-ring , a metal housing, a media element and end caps, spring between outer housing and top media cap and check valve..... vehicle manufacturers don't test filters except the fact that they thread on properly , o-ring seats on engine block properly and micron capacity of media.
Now if your talking air filters that's a different story...
Vehicle manufacture tends to design air box and filter manufacturers have to figure out best air filter design to fit housing... That can have a dramatic effect on performance...
Example Ford Mustang filter design 15hp increase .... Just like adding CAI to vehicle.....
Oil filters are more about marketing.. Take for instance Mobil 1 synthetic filter.... Its got to be better it weighs .5lb more than standard.... cut them open and you find the .5lb is in the base the filter media which does the work is the same the housings the same everything else is the same just cost $3 more...... Good marketing, it may cost 2cents more to make but when you hold them in your hand your brain says it cost more it weighs more and it says especially made for synthetic oil its better??????
And the sheep follow.........:) :)


I1

[adam1991]

When I said 'testing' I meant that they went with a filter design and all the engine tests they did were with that filter design on the engine. Therefore, they know whether it's sufficient or not.

No, they probably don't test the oil filters themselves. But they would know if an oil filter were insufficient for the job, just through normal engine tests.

They in all likelihood do NOT just throw random filters on, on the basis of "well, they're all the same". That's not how testing protocol works.

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by Inspector1
Oil filters are not that complex of a component... Basically a threaded boss installed into a base w o-ring , a metal housing, a media element and end caps, spring between outer housing and top media cap and check valve..... vehicle manufacturers don't test filters except the fact that they thread on properly , o-ring seats on engine block properly and micron capacity of media.
Now if your talking air filters that's a different story...
Vehicle manufacture tends to design air box and filter manufacturers have to figure out best air filter design to fit housing... That can have a dramatic effect on performance...
Example Ford Mustang filter design 15hp increase .... Just like adding CAI to vehicle.....
Oil filters are more about marketing.. Take for instance Mobil 1 synthetic filter.... Its got to be better it weighs .5lb more than standard.... cut them open and you find the .5lb is in the base the filter media which does the work is the same the housings the same everything else is the same just cost $3 more...... Good marketing, it may cost 2cents more to make but when you hold them in your hand your brain says it cost more it weighs more and it says especially made for synthetic oil its better??????
And the sheep follow.........:) :)


I1

Not all filter media is the same. They're made of different materials, therefore some are better than others.

[according2me]

All filters are not made the same.

You decide.

Honda OEM Japan(toyo roki) (http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001071)

or

Honda OEM Canada (Fram) (http://elabfcsvrt.fdu.edu/bartsch/Prelude/HondaPreludeOilFilters/HondaOEM15400PLMA02.JPG)

or

Honda OEM USA (filtech) (http://elabfcsvrt.fdu.edu/bartsch/Prelude/HondaPreludeOilFilters/HondaOEM15400PLMA01Parts.JPG)

Honda OEM USA vs Fram (http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000974)

[BenjiBoy650]

So basically the S2000 uses a HAMP filter. Wow never thought that could be. And we can use it on our cars too? I'll have to pass this news along, there was a lot of hype on the Honduh board about the HAMP filters because some guy brought a whole bunch over from Japan.

[according2me]

And the Hamp is made by ....drum roll....Toyo Roki according to this article, who also makes the Japanese Honda Oem filter.