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princess
03-27-2006, 11:04 AM
Nearly all vehicles nag the unbelted
By Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY


Riding around without your seat belt on? Chances are your car is going to nag you to buckle up.

Nearly all automakers now install systems to bug the unbelted. They go beyond the chimes and lights that are required when you start the car and can continue intermittently for as long as nine minutes. Safety advocates say the systems can save lives, but some car owners think they are annoying.

Among the latest: the General Motors system, on 75% of its models. The automaker says it should be almost imperceptible to those who buckle up and less aggravating to those who don't. But a safety researcher thinks it may not be noticeable enough to push the unbuckled into their belts.

Ford Motor had the first reminder system, introduced in 1999. The system in Ford, Lincoln and Mercury models warns with six seconds of chimes and lights 10 times in five minutes if drivers - and, in most models, passengers - are unbelted.

In 2002, Jeffrey Runge, former head of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, asked all automakers to install similar technology. A study that same year by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that the Ford system increased belt use to 76% from 71%.

GM's system relies heavily on lights, uses shorter chimes and warns less frequently than other systems - just three times in 41/2 minutes. Jim Khoury, GM's manager of advanced safety development, says research showed even those who wear belts don't always buckle up immediately so don't need to be reminded very early or loudly.

"Our first criteria was that we can't annoy people that use their belts. They don't need to be reminded," he says.

Susan Ferguson, IIHS' senior vice president of research, isn't sure lights work as well as lengthy chimes: "We know more intrusive systems can be effective. We're not as sure systems that are less annoying will be as effective."

Ferguson is completing a study of Honda's system, which uses lights and chimes 18 times over nine minutes to remind the unbuckled.

Such a system would have driven Jolie Morris crazy. She had a 2004 Ford Explorer that she drove to the end of her tenth-of-a-mile-long driveway in Alaska to wait for her children's school bus. Morris says she always wears a seat belt but not in her own driveway. The intermittent chime irritated her so much that she consulted the owner's manual and disabled it.

IIHS found 86% of people liked the Ford system and 3% disabled it. "There is a balance between being insistent enough and thinking, 'My goodness, this is really annoying,' " Ferguson says. "I don't think we really know what it is yet."

RTexasF
03-27-2006, 11:54 AM
Whoever tries to drive or ride without a belt deserves a swift kick not just a nag.

I've told people to get out of my car because of "Uh, I don't wear those things". You do in my car Bubba!! Wear it or get out and hoof it!

Spades
03-27-2006, 01:07 PM
Whether it annoys customers or not, the system needs to be installed in order to protect the company. It is sad to say but the population of people who take personal responsibility continues to decline.

stiller fan
03-27-2006, 01:10 PM
if the USA wasn't so sue-happy, the belt light / chimes would not be needed... :stupid: :rant:

MasTRE
03-27-2006, 03:02 PM
People are animals (really!) and this will never change. Accept it and get on with it. It's not a fair world, it's not safe. Do the best you can. Wear your seatbelt and enjoy your life, don't waste your time trying to convince others to wear a seatbelt. Unless it's a child we're talking about (in which case, definitely try to get them to wear a seatbelt!), people will not really change themselves after say the age of 18-22. They've already decided they're a certain type of person and, well, that's who they are. They will also think you're a fool for wasting your time nagging them.

My 2 cents. Drive safe, drive defensively -- that's what will improve your chances of living longer as far as car accidents are concerned.

Spades
03-27-2006, 03:30 PM
People are animals (really!) and this will never change. Accept it and get on with it. It's not a fair world, it's not safe. Do the best you can. Wear your seatbelt and enjoy your life, don't waste your time trying to convince others to wear a seatbelt. Unless it's a child we're talking about (in which case, definitely try to get them to wear a seatbelt!), people will not really change themselves after say the age of 18-22. They've already decided they're a certain type of person and, well, that's who they are. They will also think you're a fool for wasting your time nagging them.

My 2 cents. Drive safe, drive defensively -- that's what will improve your chances of living longer as far as car accidents are concerned.

Well, that is true but companies still need to nag people about doing what is right. I'm talking about companies need to install these systems in order to protect themselves in court so you don't have someobody involved in a serious wreck try to blame the automaker for them not wearing their seatbelts (e.g. Oh, I was in a rush and I completely forgot. The company should have taken more measures to ensure I was driving safely).

MasTRE
03-27-2006, 03:37 PM
Well, that is true but companies still need to nag people about doing what is right. I'm talking about companies need to install these systems in order to protect themselves in court so you don't have someobody involved in a serious wreck try to blame the automaker for them not wearing their seatbelts (e.g. Oh, I was in a rush and I completely forgot. The company should have taken more measures to ensure I was driving safely).With that I totally agree, and maybe they will even make a small difference (although, from the people I know who don't like to wear seatbelts, it doesn't seem to deter them any -- just a lil' cussin' here & there "at startup" LOL). I'm just saying, don't be a human seatbelt warning chime :)

n1accord
03-27-2006, 05:43 PM
For those who refuse (or forget) to wear seatbelts, their insurers should have the right to refuse claims for:
1) Personal injury. This is obvious b/c the bozo doesn't care enough to wear a seatbelt in the first place.
2) All other claims from a collision, b/c it's easier to control a car when you are held in place by seatbelts.

But of course, in this society, everyone pays for the goofballs 'cuz dey gots dey rights jez like ever'body else.

Bottom line, the incentive to wear seatbelts needs to be substantially increased.