Will Honda finally step up and add push-button start? Toyota's have 'em on the comparable Camry. My current Nissan Maxima has it. You can even get it on a Nissan Sentra!

I really like the Accord and will probably be downgrading from the Maxima and would definitely consider the new coupe (now that it has more techy toys) if it has the push-button.

It's just not for premium cars anymore - come'on Honda!

My wife's Sentra has the fob which she keeps in her purse, or I keep in my pocket. Then I just turn the key spot and it starts. It's a 2008! I almost got a Maxima or Altima Coupe, just for that, but their disadvantages were too great to get them just for it. I do wish Honda would come up with something similar.

I miss several things from my Mazdaspeed 6, AWD and a 6-speed stick shift being the most important. But I was amazed at how long it took us to get used to a key again. The Mazda had keyless start system. Keep the key fob in your pocket, walk up to the door, unlock it with the button on the handle and get in a turn the fake key. When getting out, just turn the car off, and walk away from car, doors locked when it lost contact with the key fob at a certain distance. It was impossible to lock the keys in the car too.

That Mazda was a 2006 and it also had Xenon headlights, better heated seats ( top and bottom both seats) even simple things like auto-down on ALL the windows - Honda can't even get that right.

Since I'm complaining :) Can we finally get a handle on the trunk lid for opening the trunk. You do not understand how annoying it is to have to reach down and open the trunk from the floor when you have a serious injury. Not to mention the sand/snow and water that gets into it.

The Honda Crosstour Concept from the NYC autoshow had push button start and keyless access...I'd say since it got the feature the Accord (Probably in either EXL trims, V6 or both) will have push button start.

Will Honda finally step up and add push-button start? Toyota's have 'em on the comparable Camry. My current Nissan Maxima has it. You can even get it on a Nissan Sentra!

I really like the Accord and will probably be downgrading from the Maxima and would definitely consider the new coupe (now that it has more techy toys) if it has the push-button.

It's just not for premium cars anymore - come'on Honda!

If Honda doesn't, just upgrade to the new Camry. I wouldn't mind getting one of those again.

If Honda doesn't, just upgrade to the new Camry. I wouldn't mind getting one of those again.

Eh, Camry is not what I would call an upgrade. I hate the way it rides.

Eh, Camry is not what I would call an upgrade. I hate the way it rides.

The Sport Edition SE actually rides better then the XLE. Much Firmer and great on turns. Compared to Nissan it's a total upgrade in material, and engine lastibility.

The Sport Edition SE actually rides better then the XLE. Much Firmer and great on turns. Compared to Nissan it's a total upgrade in material, and engine lastibility.

lastibility? What in the world...Granted I will say the Camry's engines are better than the current Altima's engines as far as refinement, I can't speak for the upgrades on the 2013 Altima's engines since I haven't driven it yet...but with a projected 37 or 38 mpg highway, the Camry will be at a 2 or 3mpg deficit next to the new Altima.

At first glance, from a design and materials perspective the new Camry looks nice but feel around on some of those materials and compare the Camry to other cars in the class and the Camry comes up short. Autoblog just gave the Camry SEV6 a scathing review, ditto Car and Driver, in a comparison of the Camry SEI4 verses other cars in the class. Camry came next to last in the comparison test getting beat by the likes of the Passat, Accord, Optima and Sonata, only the new Mailbu Eco did worse and C&D pretty stated that if the Malibu had been a regular LT or LTZ model, it would have beat the Camry too. The car was trashed in both reviews for its eccentic interior design and use of inferior interior materials.

Camry's faux leather dashboard looks nice but the center stack is made of brittle plastic that easily scratches. The audio/climate controls with their silver painted finish look and feel cheap, the steering wheel audio controls look like the game controller from my old Play Station, door panels are especially hollow feeling and have bland design and the big "plate" of cheap looking silver plastic that surrounds the shifter of SE models looks awful. Don't even get me started on how Toyota removed the electrolumiscent gauges, rear adjustable headrest and reclining rear seats and replaced them with Entune (decent system) and the ugly tri-tone interior. The new Altima, and even the current Altima has better interior materials.

lastibility? What in the world...Granted I will say the Camry's engines are better than the current Altima's engines as far as refinement, I can't speak for the upgrades on the 2013 Altima's engines since I haven't driven it yet...but with a projected 37 or 38 mpg highway, the Camry will be at a 2 or 3mpg deficit next to the new Altima.

At first glance, from a design and materials perspective the new Camry looks nice but feel around on some of those materials and compare the Camry to other cars in the class and the Camry comes up short. Autoblog just gave the Camry SEV6 a scathing review, ditto Car and Driver, in a comparison of the Camry SEI4 verses other cars in the class. Camry came next to last in the comparison test getting beat by the likes of the Passat, Accord, Optima and Sonata, only the new Mailbu Eco did worse and C&D pretty stated that if the Malibu had been a regular LT or LTZ model, it would have beat the Camry too. The car was trashed in both reviews for its eccentic interior design and use of inferior interior materials.

Camry's faux leather dashboard looks nice but the center stack is made of brittle plastic that easily scratches. The audio/climate controls with their silver painted finish look and feel cheap, the steering wheel audio controls look like the game controller from my old Play Station, door panels are especially hollow feeling and have bland design and the big "plate" of cheap looking silver plastic that surrounds the shifter of SE models looks awful. Don't even get me started on how Toyota removed the electrolumiscent gauges, rear adjustable headrest and reclining rear seats and replaced them with Entune (decent system) and the ugly tri-tone interior. The new Altima, and even the current Altima has better interior materials.

Yes, that's nice and all, but man Toyota engines are bullet proof. Love the car. The new camry could look better though, but meh. It's mostly the side view they should have improved. By the way, I'm comparing the 2012 camry to the 2010 Maxima if you bothered reading the thread. Speaking of cheap steering wheel, the Maxima is a laugh. Material in the Maxima double laugh.

I was giving him my my opinion, since he's may be looking for a new car. I didn't say you had to like it. It's basically me telling him to take a look at it on his search since he mentioned the camry.

I'm glad you enjoy your magazine stats and so on (hey I read them to) but when it comes down to me sitting and test driving the cars, all those opinions, mean nothing to me.

Yes, that's nice and all, but man Toyota engines are bullet proof. Love the car. The new camry could look better though, but meh. It's mostly the side view they should have improved. By the way, I'm comparing the 2012 camry to the 2010 Maxima if you bothered reading the thread. Speaking of cheap steering wheel, the Maxima is a laugh. Material in the Maxima double laugh.

I was giving him my my opinion, since he's may be looking for a new car. I didn't say you had to like it. It's basically me telling him to take a look at it on his search since he mentioned the camry.

I'm glad you enjoy your magazine stats and so on (hey I read them to) but when it comes down to me sitting and test driving the cars, all those opinions, mean nothing to me.

I have driven the SE and can vouch for its firm ride and great engine. That engine is torque and unlike the accord takes off. The Camry SE may not be as good a car as Accord but its rock solid and would be my choice if I were to switch from coupe to sedan.

I'm not sure what the excitement about push buttons are, especially if you are still turning a fake key.

Yes, that's nice and all, but man Toyota engines are bullet proof. Love the car. The new camry could look better though, but meh. It's mostly the side view they should have improved. By the way, I'm comparing the 2012 camry to the 2010 Maxima if you bothered reading the thread. Speaking of cheap steering wheel, the Maxima is a laugh. Material in the Maxima double laugh.

I was giving him my my opinion, since he's may be looking for a new car. I didn't say you had to like it. It's basically me telling him to take a look at it on his search since he mentioned the camry.

I'm glad you enjoy your magazine stats and so on (hey I read them to) but when it comes down to me sitting and test driving the cars, all those opinions, mean nothing to me.

Wait a second. This is a forum, you've got the right to like what you like and vice versa...its really not that serious. Just because I disagree, doesn't mean I discounted what you said.

And considering the Magazine writers are professionals, I tend to put more weight into what they have to say than most others, but like you, I go out, I drive em all and I make my own decision, I think most folks would do that.

I mentioned the Camry as a comparison to the Accord. I would NEVER buy a Toyota. In my opinion they are so bland and boring. It's is however a comparable car to the Accord.
Regarding the Maxima - the finish and materials are so much nicer than any Honda I've ever seen. Not sure where the comparison came from on that saying its terrible... it's the same interior as the G37 (almost identical with a few small changes that make it "nissan" vs. "infiniti") which receives continuous raves from auto reviewers.

-DANIEL- I agree not much point to keyless if you still have to turn a "fake" key. I dont know what cars have that vs the actual push button start. I love keeping my keys in my laptop bag.. getting into my car and pushing that "START" button (no fake turning of a fake key). Push it again to turn it off. The hard part is having to take the keys out to open the door to my house. lol. (I found a nice keyless entry system though that will fix that problem! only problem is it's $250!)

I'm not sure what the excitement about push buttons are, especially if you are still turning a fake key.

Convenience. You can get in your car and start it without having to take your keys out of your pocket.

Convenience. You can get in your car and start it without having to take your keys out of your pocket.

Agreed. I couldn't care less if it is a button or something I turn. The key has not left my pocket. When I got this Honda I several times almost left the key in the car because I was used to not using one.

The new Sonata has one, leave my keys in my pocket, never look back, and whoever said it before said it best, the annoying part now is taking them out to open the house door :lmao:

Worth every penny, esp when carrying thing etc, in most cars now a days you can just press the handle or the button on the handle to lock/unlock the doors, the other advantage to real keyless entry/push button start

I see you have a sonata turbo and the v6 accord. I was wondering which one you liked better. I might join the Hyundai family depending on the 9th generation though. push to start is tempting, but I wonder how the sonata drives.
The new Sonata has one, leave my keys in my pocket, never look back, and whoever said it before said it best, the annoying part now is taking them out to open the house door :lmao:

Worth every penny, esp when carrying thing etc, in most cars now a days you can just press the handle or the button on the handle to lock/unlock the doors, the other advantage to real keyless entry/push button start

Guys,
I also drove the new Altima and the interior is just good enough for its class!
The interior for the Camry does feel somewhat cheap but its alright for the price Toyota is selling it for. With that kind of pricing Toyota is now offering some new standard options and a "bulletproof" car which will last you down the road, so its justifiable I guess? The way Camry drives, handles, and feels is way different then how our Accord's are so I don't see myself buying one but I would buy their truck's/suv's(Tundra/Land Cruiser)

@Richnator
I drove the new Sonata and I would definitely take my 7th gen over it, Imho.

hummmmm, I thought we were talking about the Hondas not having push button start?

the S2000's have it....why doesn't someone out there figure a way to mod that unit? my wifes Prius has is......surely one from a Honda can be made to work on another Honda?

Yes, that's nice and all, but man Toyota engines are bullet proof.

Bulletproof???? Ha the big joke.... Toyota probably has the worst customer service of all the car makers... they sit on their their reputation of selling indestructible vehicle.... In my family we had 6 toyotas in all.... 2 of them had to have their engine rebuilt... ( 1ZZFE burning oil, 2ZZGE oil pump actually grenaded itself) 2 had to have the transmission rebuilt ( 1 manual 6 speed, 1 tundra automatic transmission) Had to have the cloth interior of a corolla XRS replaced because de stitching was coming loose... ( ohhhhh the fight with that with the service manager...) Actually got into a fight for warranty work that they said wasn't covered.... well got in the mail a recall service for the exact same problem we went to get fixed the week after the repair ( like they didn't know about the problem...) You should've hear me shout when I got into the garage for that one... Got a full reimbursement and 5 free oil changes for my father's Tundra.

It took 6 cars in my family but no one.. NO ONE will ever buy a toyota product ever again!! I've had a lot of cars, different car brand... and my most reliable car ever was my 2006 Audi S4... It's the only car that NEVER let me stranded anyway and the customer service was the best close second my VW 2007 GLI. Loved nissan for the price... Never had no problems with mazda.. but dealers there always wants to charge you for unnecessary stuff and make you feel guilty for not taking the service ( yeah right.... injector clean-up at 38 000 km)

I still like my Accord.. but I find it bland a bit... for sure Honda should step up their game a bit and add stuff like push button start... xenon headlight... ( I can hear people say buy a Acura:Ploooll but if you buy an Acura you should get Adaptive Bi-Xenon headlight:P heck even a mazda 3 has adaptive xenon headlights..:P) Well I guess I'll wait to see the final product before making my final decision

I see you have a sonata turbo and the v6 accord. I was wondering which one you liked better. I might join the Hyundai family depending on the 9th generation though. push to start is tempting, but I wonder how the sonata drives.

Coming from a 2006 6-6 and jumping into a Turbo Sedan there are some differences but i have to say the Sonata is a huge sleeper ...first off its faster by a margin than my V6 (again i had a 6-6 with 80k+ miles on it) it handles better, and the fuel savings is very nice! The 2.0T has a different suspension setup for a more sportier feel where the Limited is set up for a more plush ride ...

With that being said the only thing i can say that i am not used to just yet is how stiff the car is, the minor turbo lag before blasting off, the electric steering system (which is insane how non-resistant the wheel is when turning) and if i had my pick i would have had different tires on the car (although brand new and handle well) they are noisy ...The Hankock Optimos

Now i have had my experience with Hondas, now listed in my sig my wife had the 2009 EXL sedan 4cy and now she has the '11 V6 coupe and the Sonata surpasses the sedan in every way possible, and hangs with the coupe, incredibly as a 4cy turbo ..so overall i think people need to reevaluate hyundai (i was a huge basher) and now i dont think i can go back to Honda unless they do some major overhaul ..just the outside screams outdated already to me anyway ...the interior of the new car is a huge breath of fresh air as well, laid out very well and lots of tech with the smartphone user in mind

yeah, Honda is behind in a lot of ways. No denying that. But I don't want my Honda's to look anything like any of the Hyundai's which I find to be overstyled if that's a word.

A turbo'd 4 banger beating a V6 is nothing new. My Mazdaspeed 6 would EAT the V6 sedan alive and even the coupe. On the highway it wasn't even close. Turbo'd fours are the future it seems. But I'd certainly miss that V6 sound / smoothness.

It certainly would be nice to have keyless entry with push button start. At the same time, it's no big deal if I don't ever have that feature because I don't have flesh eating zombies chasing after me.

yeah, Honda is behind in a lot of ways. No denying that. But I don't want my Honda's to look anything like any of the Hyundai's which I find to be overstyled if that's a word.

A turbo'd 4 banger beating a V6 is nothing new. My Mazdaspeed 6 would EAT the V6 sedan alive and even the coupe. On the highway it wasn't even close. Turbo'd fours are the future it seems. But I'd certainly miss that V6 sound / smoothness.

Its funny you mention the styling, owning a number of Hondas I have never had anyone really stare or come up to me and comment on my car, 2 weeks of owning the Sonata 2.0T Black w/Black Tints and ive had 5 people already ask me about it and tell me you can't even compare the looks of an Accord Sedan to this, one saying for the price point there isn't a better looking car out (granted the midnight black is a stunner with tints - my first black car too)

I have to agree at this point i find my own self staring at the car saying its pretty dam sexy - to which i dont think i can ever recall doing that with my Hondas (to each its own i guess, and def. some colors make all the difference!) Its a nice balance of aggressive, sporty and luxurious

Dont get me wrong i loved my Hondas but the styling is turning alot of people off these days - dated to say the least

hummmmm, I thought we were talking about the Hondas not having push button start?

the S2000's have it....why doesn't someone out there figure a way to mod that unit? my wifes Prius has is......surely one from a Honda can be made to work on another Honda?

The ignition in the S2K was a "quasi" pushbutton start.

You still had the key which you had to remove from your pocket, insert into the key hole, and turn to acc mode. Then you push the button to actually ignite the engine.

Not the same thing as true push button start.

Its funny you mention the styling, owning a number of Hondas I have never had anyone really stare or come up to me and comment on my car, 2 weeks of owning the Sonata 2.0T Black w/Black Tints and ive had 5 people already ask me about it and tell me you can't even compare the looks of an Accord Sedan to this, one saying for the price point there isn't a better looking car out (granted the midnight black is a stunner with tints - my first black car too)

I have to agree at this point i find my own self staring at the car saying its pretty dam sexy - to which i dont think i can ever recall doing that with my Hondas (to each its own i guess, and def. some colors make all the difference!) Its a nice balance of aggressive, sporty and luxurious

Dont get me wrong i loved my Hondas but the styling is turning alot of people off these days - dated to say the least

I completely agree. They went boring with the Sedan. It is a box with rounded corners. I still think the Coupe looks amazing, but when comparing 4 doors, the Hyundais are winning.

I definitely don't agree with above, Accord looks much more sporty and aggressive then a Sonata or in fact any Hyundai out there. I had people numerous times stare and give me good comments till this very day. After driving brand new Sonata several times(work related) good luck trying to convince me on buying one because Hyundai is no where near what a Honda is. People staring at Sonata? :lmao: in my work nobody would give it a second look.

*Opinions vary person to person*

I definitely don't agree with above, Accord looks much more sporty and aggressive then a Sonata or in fact any Hyundai out there. I had people numerous times stare and give me good comments till this very day. After driving brand new Sonata several times(work related) good luck trying to convince me on buying one because Hyundai is no where near what a Honda is. People staring at Sonata? :lmao: in my work nobody would give it a second look.

*Opinions vary person to person*

Your line of Work? Honda Tech?!? :lmao:

Pictures are really worth a thousand words ... no offense to my Honda lovers but it really does look like a rental car these days ... :thumbsdow

Your line of Work? Honda Tech?!? :lmao:

Pictures are really worth a thousand words ... no offense to my Honda lovers but it really does look like a rental car these days ... :thumbsdow

U just made his point. That front/back ends are just hideous. There is a reason the Elantra, which was touted as "stylish" during its inception, is now considered ugly as hell. Just b/c the Accord sedan looks dated, and I admit it does, but Hyundai's designs are just "out" there. Looks like an ugly alien dropped onto earth.

Another point, until you, I never had anyone brag about owning a sonata or Hyundai in general.

U just made his point. That front/back ends are just hideous. There is a reason the Elantra, which was touted as "stylish" during its inception, is now considered ugly as hell. Just b/c the Accord sedan looks dated, and I admit it does, but Hyundai's designs are just "out" there. Looks like an ugly alien dropped onto earth.

Another point, until you, I never had anyone brag about owning a sonata or Hyundai in general.

To each its own, and lets face it our ideas of styling are not what others ultimately agree with, so the fact that i still own a Honda, and have had Hondas for the past 15 yrs (with the exception of a VW) is the reason why this was such a change for myself (and the reason why im entitled to say what i please, i know them inside and out since '89)... what i was trying to get at is that when you stick with a brand sometimes you miss other things out there, now is Hyundai the car for me long term most likely not since i went with this as a transition car into my new career but being my wife had the sedan before the coupe i will say i like it alot more so than say the Accord Sedan so for now its a nice change inside and out, and lets face it any of the Honda smaller cars are just as hideous as the elantra so there is really no clear winner there ....

I guess at 6 posts you had to write something, but saying im bragging def. not the right wording there my friend, unless that is you are writing that on all other posts of people jumping ship explaining their interest in there new vehicle - :thmsup:

...because Hyundai is no where near what a Honda is.

Hmmm.. I guess I must have been a bit loco/crazy the past couple of times I've went to the Acura and Hyundai dealerships to compare the TL SH- AWD and RL against the R-Spec Genesis Sedan. Hyundai keeps winning me over. I do realize that was not the segment/class of cars that has been discussed in this thread...but, your general statement in regard to Hyundai vs Honda-- I felt the need to respond.

Honda has name recognition and knows how to build a solid, reliable power-train (oops on those 2nd gen Acura TL and CL transmissions and the 7th gen AT transmissions) that's based on a proven track record and strong re-sale attribute (that others are practically catching up to).

Unfortunately, in terms of implementing tech/features into Hondas and trying to keep the division between Acura and Honda for the US market. Honda seems to have been resting on their laurels and farting out some future designs that really haven't been making that big of a splash w/ consumers and even the Honda fanboy/crowd. I enjoy my coupe, I think it's a great value at what I was able to get if for (just above invoice)...but in 2012, with the 8th gen being practically 5 years old and the ninth gen on the cusp, I think Honda needs to re-evaluate their targeted consumers and listen to them if they don't want to slide down the sales charts and peoples option lists when looking for a new/used car.

Just my 2 cents.

Its funny you mention the styling, owning a number of Hondas I have never had anyone really stare or come up to me and comment on my car, 2 weeks of owning the Sonata 2.0T Black w/Black Tints and ive had 5 people already ask me about it and tell me you can't even compare the looks of an Accord Sedan to this, one saying for the price point there isn't a better looking car out (granted the midnight black is a stunner with tints - my first black car too)

I have to agree at this point i find my own self staring at the car saying its pretty dam sexy - to which i dont think i can ever recall doing that with my Hondas (to each its own i guess, and def. some colors make all the difference!) Its a nice balance of aggressive, sporty and luxurious

Dont get me wrong i loved my Hondas but the styling is turning alot of people off these days - dated to say the least
I completely agree. They went boring with the Sedan. It is a box with rounded corners. I still think the Coupe looks amazing, but when comparing 4 doors, the Hyundais are winning.

I agree with both of you. IMO, the 8th Gen Accord coupe is the best looking car in Honda's current lineup, but even that is outdated compared to the Genesis coupe. There's been a few times where a Genesis coupe has parked next to me and compared to the curves and lines on the Genesis, my coupe looks so outdated. You don't even want to get started on the powertrain!

The only downside to the Genesis coupe's styling is the quarter window.

I definitely don't agree with above, Accord looks much more sporty and aggressive then a Sonata or in fact any Hyundai out there. I had people numerous times stare and give me good comments till this very day. After driving brand new Sonata several times(work related) good luck trying to convince me on buying one because Hyundai is no where near what a Honda is. People staring at Sonata? :lmao: in my work nobody would give it a second look.

*Opinions vary person to person*

I had my Honda parked next to a Sonata yesterday. People were looking closely at the Sonata. The Accord seemed invisible to them. Sonata owner was being asked how he liked the car - I was ignored. But then I live in the real world.

I had my Honda parked next to a Sonata yesterday. People were looking closely at the Sonata. The Accord seemed invisible to them. Sonata owner was being asked how he liked the car - I was ignored. But then I live in the real world.

Sonata may not be everybody's cup of tea, but it definitely has more visual presence than the Accord sedan. I was at McDonald's earlier today and parked next to each other were an Accord EX-L and a Kia Optima LX (the base trim level) the Optima, even in base trim, has it all over the Accord in presence and looks IMO. The Accord looks dated because it IS dated....outside of the current Altima and Fusion, the Accord is the oldest car left in the class.

Another point, until you, I never had anyone brag about owning a sonata or Hyundai in general.

I have a co-worker who from a BMW (E39) 530i to a Hyundai Sonata, and loves the Sonata in all aspects over his old 530i. Yes, everyone has an opinion. But to infer that just because you've only encountered one person who thinks highly of a Hyundai and therefore a Hyundai vehicle isn't as liked as a Honda vehicle is outright naive.

Sonata may not be everybody's cup of tea, but it definitely has more visual presence than the Accord sedan. I was at McDonald's earlier today and parked next to each other were an Accord EX-L and a Kia Optima LX (the base trim level) the Optima, even in base trim, has it all over the Accord in presence and looks IMO. The Accord looks dated because it IS dated....outside of the current Altima and Fusion, the Accord is the oldest car left in the class.

IMO Hyundai Sonata is trying to be too "flashy". Don't understand that large body silhouette for the climate control, unnecessary. I look for build quality/materials, you can easily add different wheels/suspension to make any car more "sporty or classy".

On another note, IMO the "Hyundai" name is still not respected. As I am currently in the market for a vehicle and ask friends/family/co-workers about "Hyundai" and I never hear positive remarks. I usually receive comments like "I wouldn't get caught driving a Hyundai".

But yes, Honda is vastly outdated tech wise, the Acura lineup is more up to par as of recent.

IMO Hyundai Sonata is trying to be too "flashy". Don't understand that large body silhouette for the climate control, unnecessary. I look for build quality/materials, you can easily add different wheels/suspension to make any car more "sporty or classy".

Many cars have unnecessary and poorly planned controls. The centre stack of the 8th gen Accord is an unnecessary and overly complicated mess of buttons IMO. My point is that something you find unnecessary may appeal to others.



On another note, IMO the "Hyundai" name is still not respected.

Who cares? Would you refuse to own a car because the brand is not respected by others? In other words, would it bother you if you bought a Hyundai that wasn't respected by your family/friends? And if the answer is "yes" I'd have to ask why you feel the need to have others respect your car.


As I am currently in the market for a vehicle and ask friends/family/co-workers about "Hyundai" and I never hear positive remarks. I usually receive comments like "I wouldn't get caught driving a Hyundai".


I'm curious - would you choose not to consider a Hyundai because of comments from from your friends/family or would you look at the Hyundai objectively and decide whether or not you like the car? In other words, would you let closed-minded comments such as "I wouldn't get caught driving a Hyundai" from friends/family deter you from looking at the car?

Many cars have unnecessary and poorly planned controls. The centre stack of the 8th gen Accord is an unnecessary and overly complicated mess of buttons IMO. My point is that something you find unnecessary may appeal to others.

Excellent point. For instance, I find the layout to be initially confusing, then unbelievably handy. Everything is easily controlled and accessible, without my hand having to move around much. Very good for adjustments while moving. I remember how dangerous it was to reach over to change stuff in my old 1993 Accord.

Your line of Work? Honda Tech?!? :lmao:

Pictures are really worth a thousand words ... no offense to my Honda lovers but it really does look like a rental car these days ... :thumbsdow
My work of line? Lets just say I deal with brand new Nissan's(Including 370z and GTR), BMW's, Benz, Hyundai :paranoid:, Kia, Fords, one or two Mazdas, Subaru's, Suzuki's, one or two Porsches, VW/Audi's, and one or two Jaguars. I think that's pretty much it:D. I really wished I got my hand on some of new Honda's/Acura's and Toyota's/Lexus's

Btw, thanks for the pictures but it wont change anything I said


U just made his point. That front/back ends are just hideous. There is a reason the Elantra, which was touted as "stylish" during its inception, is now considered ugly as hell. Just b/c the Accord sedan looks dated, and I admit it does, but Hyundai's designs are just "out" there. Looks like an ugly alien dropped onto earth.

Another point, until you, I never had anyone brag about owning a sonata or Hyundai in general.

I found Elantra/Sonata ugly from day one and there design will look outdated in no time while the Accord will still look decent.

I found Elantra/Sonata ugly from day one and there design will look outdated in no time while the Accord will still look decent.

MM, not always do I agree with you, but I do on this one.

I have a lot of respect for what Hyundai/Kia are doing. It is very similar to the path of the Japanese brands over 30 years ago.

But I totally dislike the chrome trim going all he way to the front on the Sonata, and the design will get old pretty fast.
The Accord coupe still looks fantastic to me. The sedan is ok; Honda went for a very conservative approach from day one it was plain vanilla, but I liked it. I also liked the dash, it does look a bit intimidating at first, but as Adrenalin says, it can be operated with minimal distraction.

Going back to the subject of the thread I hope it will include the push start system, along with a competitive galore of.gadgets. This along with a smoothed out design and I shall. E content.

My work of line? Lets just say I deal with brand new Nissan's(Including 370z and GTR), BMW's, Benz, Hyundai :paranoid:, Kia, Fords, one or two Mazdas, Subaru's, Suzuki's, one or two Porsches, VW/Audi's, and one or two Jaguars. I think that's pretty much it:D. I really wished I got my hand on some of new Honda's/Acura's and Toyota's/Lexus's

Btw, thanks for the pictures but it wont change anything I said




I found Elantra/Sonata ugly from day one and there design will look outdated in no time while the Accord will still look decent.


Noone is trying to change your mind, simply stated Hyundai has come along ways and Honda is still relying on just the basics (because it still working) - In all honesty because of where Hyundai has come from i have a hard time jumping the gun with excitmemt when someone asks what car i got - but that comes from the past and my own bashing of the brand and lets face it the new Hyundai are something compared to the old company - (been pro honda my whole life) but i really do enjoy the new car, and actually driving my Wifes coupe last night for the first time since getting the Sonata i realized that even the gauges are outdated, but the whole electric stearing thing is a big debate as i feel more in tune with the Honda where the Hyundai is like driving a toy its almost to easy - but again these may be the future trends - the turbo on the other hand, another kind of fun -

either way I have the best of both worlds in the driveway so i cant complain but can compare and contrast all day long bc i drive both - :thmsup:

And for the record say what you want about Hyundai but i would never own a Nissan (unless it was so the 370 or GTR) the CVT is downright the worst thing ever created - and yes i have driven both the maxima and rogue with it - terrible, and as for bland interiors BMW sets the bar for that not changing much - but i guess thats why they call it the ultimate driving machine, not really highlighting their interiors ..a big to each its own, as i can remember everyone bashing the new accord coupe bc of the rear end bulges and terrible wheel designs - guess thats old news now too

I am pretty sure the new accord ail have an electric steering too... And the CVT.... the rest of the car better deliver then!

Noone is trying to change your mind, simply stated Hyundai has come along ways and Honda is still relying on just the basics (because it still working) -

You wont be able too:biggrin:...I don't really understand what you mean by "relying on just the basics" ? Anyway IMHO If I ever become unhappy with Honda and have to go with another brand I would even consider a Ford over a Hyundai, so yeah Hyundai is way down on my list

And for the record say what you want about Hyundai but i would never own a Nissan (unless it was so the 370 or GTR) the CVT is downright the worst thing ever created - and yes i have driven both the maxima and rogue with it - terrible, and as for bland interiors BMW sets the bar for that not changing much - but i guess thats why they call it the ultimate driving machine, not really highlighting their interiors ..a big to each its own, as i can remember everyone bashing the new accord coupe bc of the rear end bulges and terrible wheel designs - guess thats old news now too

Nissan, I was really impressed! nicely balanced car's. Nicely built, drives good, powerful, good quality, and amazing sound system. Their trucks are also damn strong and powerful.

Bmw, yea pretty much same interior. I would now consider a Benz over Bmw (answer before would've been different) but when it comes to M series then its a different story.

I had my Honda parked next to a Sonata yesterday. People were looking closely at the Sonata. The Accord seemed invisible to them. Sonata owner was being asked how he liked the car - I was ignored. But then I live in the real world.

they're just blind. lol they don't see a great car in front of them.

I have a co-worker who from a BMW (E39) 530i to a Hyundai Sonata, and loves the Sonata in all aspects over his old 530i. Yes, everyone has an opinion. But to infer that just because you've only encountered one person who thinks highly of a Hyundai and therefore a Hyundai vehicle isn't as liked as a Honda vehicle is outright naive.

If your co-worker likes a Sonata over a 5 series in ALL ASPECTS, then your co-worker already got a problem. You shouldn't trust your co-worker's opinions then.

Sonata may not be everybody's cup of tea, but it definitely has more visual presence than the Accord sedan. I was at McDonald's earlier today and parked next to each other were an Accord EX-L and a Kia Optima LX (the base trim level) the Optima, even in base trim, has it all over the Accord in presence and looks IMO. The Accord looks dated because it IS dated....outside of the current Altima and Fusion, the Accord is the oldest car left in the class.

The upcomming fusion really looks sweet :p

they're just blind. lol they don't see a great car in front of them.

Spoken like a true fanboy who refuses to admit anything could be as good as a Honda. The myopia is on your part.

They did see a great car - they saw a Sonata.

If your co-worker likes a Sonata over a 5 series in ALL ASPECTS, then your co-worker already got a problem. You shouldn't trust your co-worker's opinions then.

When you make closed-minded remarks such as this why should we trust your opinion, ever?

If your co-worker likes a Sonata over a 5 series in ALL ASPECTS, then your co-worker already got a problem. You shouldn't trust your co-worker's opinions then.

:D. It was just an opinion from his co-worker but I'm sure majority would disagree with him. (including me)


Just in case you guys didn't know we are very lucky to have open minded people here and there opinions should be taken as correct since they are not so called "Honda fan boy's". So watch what you say here in HONDA ACCORD forums because anything you say or do can and will be held against you in a court of non Honda fan boy's. <:D

Am in love with the new Altima...

If your co-worker likes a Sonata over a 5 series in ALL ASPECTS, then your co-worker already got a problem. You shouldn't trust your co-worker's opinions then.

I see you're a fanboy of some flavor. Please don't be naive. My co-worker's needs and values are probably different than yours. In no way does this mean he is untrustworthy.

I thought this was hilarious, thought I would share. :banana:

When you make closed-minded remarks such as this why should we trust your opinion, ever?

That's not close-minded. You're saying your co-worker likes EVERYTHING about her Sonata, a mid-level sedan, over a mid-level luxury sedan, that is more luxurious/powerful/advanced. It doesn't make any sense. So the interior/feel of the 530 isn't better than a Sonata? Are you kidding me?

That's like a Honda boy saying I like everything about a Civic Si more than a M3. It just doesn't compute.

:D. It was just an opinion from his co-worker but I'm sure majority would disagree with him. (including me)


Just in case you guys didn't know we are very lucky to have open minded people here and there opinions should be taken as correct since they are not so called "Honda fan boy's". So watch what you say here in HONDA ACCORD forums because anything you say or do can and will be held against you in a court of non Honda fan boy's. <:D

Look, I'm not a Honda fan boy. I find a lot of Honda's and Acura's cars straight up ugly. Honda (and Acura) has a long way to go before it returns to its days as top dog. But the Accord, esp. the coupe, isn't one of them. Although it's dated, it's still aging very well. In most comparison tests, the Accord still is considered THE "driver's" car.

Into the last year of its cycle, it still looks better than the brand new Camry/Sonata... The only car that is more attractive than it is the new 2013 Fusion. But the Accord coupe IS the best looking non-luxury car out there STILL.

It may not compute but its all down to personal preference. It's like your dad saying he prefers the old school cars over the new ones. The reason: Just because... There isn;t a real one. It might not "compute" but it's what that person wants.

It may not compute but its all down to personal preference. It's like your dad saying he prefers the old school cars over the new ones. The reason: Just because... There isn;t a real one. It might not "compute" but it's what that person wants.

Makes perfect sense! I chose the V6 Coupe over a 2005 CLK420. Just wasn't what I wanted.

I want 6 manual in EXL leather trim on V6 and I4 models.
I want to have the collision avoidance system in our accord like in JDM Inspire.

Honda are you listening?
You cannot bite the hand that feeds.
Lay off accord so you can sell acura TL and TSX for that push button start!!

It may not compute but its all down to personal preference. It's like your dad saying he prefers the old school cars over the new ones. The reason: Just because... There isn;t a real one. It might not "compute" but it's what that person wants.

Preferring "old-school" classic cars over newer ones is a different comparison. There is sentimental value to "valuing" your first car or a "classic" car.

You're talking about a brand new mid-level sedan v. one of the best selling luxury cars.

It's fine if your friend states that he/she likes that the Sonata b/c it is more affordable, and you still get the bang for the buck as the Sonata does provide that. But to say that he/she likes EVERYTHING over a luxury car, that's not personal preference, that means she's trying hard to justify what she bought.

NO rational person would say (if cost wasn't an issue and you can choose any car you want) would choose a Sonata over a 5 series. Just no rational or logical person.

Makes perfect sense! I chose the V6 Coupe over a 200:biggrin:5 CLK420. Just wasn't what I wanted.

Plus, rumor has it that the coupe looks like an M6.:biggrin:

Preferring "old-school" classic cars over newer ones is a different comparison. There is sentimental value to "valuing" your first car or a "classic" car.

You're talking about a brand new mid-level sedan v. one of the best selling luxury cars.

It's fine if your friend states that he/she likes that the Sonata b/c it is more affordable, and you still get the bang for the buck as the Sonata does provide that. But to say that he/she likes EVERYTHING over a luxury car, that's not personal preference, that means she's trying hard to justify what she bought.

NO rational person would say (if cost wasn't an issue and you can choose any car you want) would choose a Sonata over a 5 series. Just no rational or logical person.
An E39 5 Series is an older generation, making it around 10 (or more) years old.

Makes perfect sense! I chose the V6 Coupe over a 2005 CLK420. Just wasn't what I wanted.

I chose a (no offense) 2012 Accord over a 2012 Altima... Just not what I wanted!

Preferring "old-school" classic cars over newer ones is a different comparison. There is sentimental value to "valuing" your first car or a "classic" car.

You're talking about a brand new mid-level sedan v. one of the best selling luxury cars.

It's fine if your friend states that he/she likes that the Sonata b/c it is more affordable, and you still get the bang for the buck as the Sonata does provide that. But to say that he/she likes EVERYTHING over a luxury car, that's not personal preference, that means she's trying hard to justify what she bought.

NO rational person would say (if cost wasn't an issue and you can choose any car you want) would choose a Sonata over a 5 series. Just no rational or logical person.


Your wrong... Just face it, stop trying to justify yourself...

Your wrong... Just face it, stop trying to justify yourself...

I'll stop. Talking to a brick wall hurts my head too much.

I'll stop. Talking to a brick wall hurts my head too much.

Your assertion seems to be purely one on status. How can someone like other cars? Because of their preferences. Are your preferences the only ones that matter?

I'll stop. Talking to a brick wall hurts my head too much.

The ignorance pouring out of your head hurts my head too... :headbash:

So uh, Will it get Push Button Start? lol!

hummmmm, I thought we were talking about the Hondas not having push button start?

the S2000's have it....why doesn't someone out there figure a way to mod that unit? my wifes Prius has is......surely one from a Honda can be made to work on another Honda?

I know some people on an Altima forum that would use the S2K push button & mod it into their car...

That's not close-minded. You're saying your co-worker likes EVERYTHING about her Sonata, a mid-level sedan, over a mid-level luxury sedan, that is more luxurious/powerful/advanced. It doesn't make any sense. So the interior/feel of the 530 isn't better than a Sonata? Are you kidding me?

If you actually made the effort to read what I wrote you'd know you are wrong. (Hint: I never wrote anything about my co-worker). My closed-minded comment is right on the mark.

That's like a Honda boy saying I like everything about a Civic Si more than a M3. It just doesn't compute.

Perhaps it doesn't compute to you, sure. It does compute to me. But then I'm open to accepting that different people value different things about different cars.



But the Accord coupe IS the best looking non-luxury car out there STILL.

While I respect your opinion of what you find good looking and not good looking, to me the current Accord coupe is butt-ugly. And my opinion on this matter is no more correct nor incorrect than yours.

NO rational person would say (if cost wasn't an issue and you can choose any car you want) would choose a Sonata over a 5 series. Just no rational or logical person.

One could say the same about Accord vs 5-series. And yet in my case, where I am more than able to afford just about any car out there, we chose Accord over a 5-series. And I'm very rational and logical.

I'll stop. Talking to a brick wall hurts my head too much.

This is an easy fix - turn away from the mirror and open your mind. :D

The 8th Gen Accord is an ugly POS, and I am sure the 9th Gen will be just as hideous to look at. There are far better looking cars on the market and I think it is funny that you guys are now just realizing that the Accord is Honda's bastard-child that is far behind in features, even compared to other Honda models. Look how long it took for the Accord to get USB when other Honda models had it for years.

Push-button start...the dumbing down of society...because turning a key is just so hard. Think how easy it is for your car to be stolen out of your garage, or in your driveway next to the house. If your house has an attached garage, or the driveway is right next to the house, and the keys are on the other side of the wall (bedroom or kitchen counter next to the garage or driveway), it is very easy for someone to steal the car because the key is in such close proximity that a thief can walk up to the car (or gain access to your garage), pull the door handle and it will open because the keys are still within 25 feet of the car (thanks to the range of Bluetooth). The thief pushes the start button and drives away and you wouldn't even know it. Toyota even warns you of this fact. Thieves can even hack keyless entry, duplicating the signals, and with a push button start, drive away in the car. However, with a physical key, hacking the keyless entry still won't allow them to steal the car. Without signs of forced entry, you could have issues with your insurance claim trying to prove that someone else stole your car. So I would take a real key over a start button. If you are too lazy to put a key in the ignition and turn it, get your ass to the gym.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1690/keyless-entry-systems-vulnerable-to-high-tech-car-thieves/

The 8th Gen Accord is an ugly POS, and I am sure the 9th Gen will be just as hideous to look at. There are far better looking cars on the market and I think it is funny that you guys are now just realizing that the Accord is Honda's bastard-child that is far behind in features, even compared to other Honda models. Look how long it took for the Accord to get USB when other Honda models had it for years.

Push-button start...the dumbing down of society...because turning a key is just so hard. Think how easy it is for your car to be stolen out of your garage, or in your driveway next to the house. If your house has an attached garage, or the driveway is right next to the house, and the keys are on the other side of the wall (bedroom or kitchen counter next to the garage or driveway), it is very easy for someone to steal the car because the key is in such close proximity that a thief can walk up to the car (or gain access to your garage), pull the door handle and it will open because the keys are still within 25 feet of the car (thanks to the range of Bluetooth). The thief pushes the start button and drives away and you wouldn't even know it. Toyota even warns you of this fact. Thieves can even hack keyless entry, duplicating the signals, and with a push button start, drive away in the car. However, with a physical key, hacking the keyless entry still won't allow them to steal the car. Without signs of forced entry, you could have issues with your insurance claim trying to prove that someone else stole your car. So I would take a real key over a start button. If you are too lazy to put a key in the ignition and turn it, get your ass to the gym.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1690/keyless-entry-systems-vulnerable-to-high-tech-car-thieves/

I really don't get people like you. I would have expected better of someone with 3000+ posts...

You are totally untitled to your opinions. And thanks for bringing some factoids to the discussion. You do realize that keyless push start systems ARE becoming the norm right?

You post became worthless when you decided to turn it into a rant. Attacking people is never a good way to further an opinion.

The 8th Gen Accord is an ugly POS, and I am sure the 9th Gen will be just as hideous to look at. There are far better looking cars on the market and I think it is funny that you guys are now just realizing that the Accord is Honda's bastard-child that is far behind in features, even compared to other Honda models. Look how long it took for the Accord to get USB when other Honda models had it for years.

Push-button start...the dumbing down of society...because turning a key is just so hard. Think how easy it is for your car to be stolen out of your garage, or in your driveway next to the house. If your house has an attached garage, or the driveway is right next to the house, and the keys are on the other side of the wall (bedroom or kitchen counter next to the garage or driveway), it is very easy for someone to steal the car because the key is in such close proximity that a thief can walk up to the car (or gain access to your garage), pull the door handle and it will open because the keys are still within 25 feet of the car (thanks to the range of Bluetooth). The thief pushes the start button and drives away and you wouldn't even know it. Toyota even warns you of this fact. Thieves can even hack keyless entry, duplicating the signals, and with a push button start, drive away in the car. However, with a physical key, hacking the keyless entry still won't allow them to steal the car. Without signs of forced entry, you could have issues with your insurance claim trying to prove that someone else stole your car. So I would take a real key over a start button. If you are too lazy to put a key in the ignition and turn it, get your ass to the gym.

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1690/keyless-entry-systems-vulnerable-to-high-tech-car-thieves/

Someone needs some medication. Usually the car cannot be opened unless the key fob was in direct proximity of the vehicle. The car cannot be started if the key is not in the vehicle. Iv'e spent sometime with my brother on his Altima looking for some type of lupole...

Someone needs some medication. Usually the car cannot be opened unless the key fob was in direct proximity of the vehicle. The car cannot be started if the key is not in the vehicle. Iv'e spent sometime with my brother on his Altima looking for some type of lupole...

My Wife's Sentra is like that. One scary thing I heard of was a woman standing about 10 feet from her car, talking to a friend. Some guy was able to unlock her door because she was "close" with the key in her purse. Other than that, it seems pretty good.

I love push button start, all cars should have it..it makes life easy :)

My Wife's Sentra is like that. One scary thing I heard of was a woman standing about 10 feet from her car, talking to a friend. Some guy was able to unlock her door because she was "close" with the key in her purse. Other than that, it seems pretty good.

With the smart key on my Infiniti the doors cannot be unlocked until I'm within approx 12 inches of the door.

If I'm sitting in the driver's seat and the fob is, say, in my wife's pocket and my wife is standing next to the open or closed driver's door the engine will not start.

I can't speak for other makes but I know that for Infiniti (and I'm on my 3rd Infiniti with the intelligent key) there is no danger of someone unlocking the doors and driving off when I'm more than 12-18" away from the car. My brother-in-law has a Murano with the intelligent key and his system works just like mine does - no danger of someone opening the car and driving off.

Our M35 and Murano work exactly the same way: have to be very close in order for doors to unlock, and inside with the fob to start the car. I have experienced only one downside to the IntelliKey.

When we go out to dinner or an event with friends, my wife typically wears something that is not condusive to having pockets or carrying a fob on her (think nice and tight :) ). She cannot leave her pocketbook in the trunk with her fob in it. The doors refuse to lock (just beeps) and the trunk won't close (just refuses to latch). Wish there was a way to leave a fob in the car and still lock it up. I understand Nissan not wanting the fobs locked in the car, but it is annoying nonetheless.

And to those that think push-to-start is silly/stooooopid/lazy or what have you, it's like our rear-view cameras, navs, park assists, hard drive music systems, air-conditioned seats, V6 engines, HID's and other great new tech... once we've had 'em, never gonna consider another vehicle (or manufacturer) without 'em.

To sum up: IntelliKey rocks!:thmsup:

Push start is a neat ideal but I prefer a key. Like they say if it isnt broke dont fix it. My one worry is what if that system breaks somehow and you cant start your car? Even with my 2000 accord I dont like the idea of that little chip in the key. Call me old fashion and I know times are changing. Like I said its a neat idea.

Only thing I really wish for, is a true keyless entry system, like a keypad on the driver's door. So utterly convinient, especially if I want to run out and grab something from the car.

Push start is a neat ideal but I prefer a key. Like they say if it isnt broke dont fix it. My one worry is what if that system breaks somehow and you cant start your car? Even with my 2000 accord I dont like the idea of that little chip in the key. Call me old fashion and I know times are changing. Like I said its a neat idea.

There are actually fewer parts that can go wrong in a push button ignition system than a key and tumbler socket ignition. It's actually a less complicated way of performing the same operation. But just as secure.

Didn't some early models so equipped have a failsafe (some place to actually stick a back up key to do the deed in case something fails? I am pretty sure I saw something like this on a 2006 mazes cx9 and some 2002 Renaults in France (this was the first time I ever saw a car with push start, but in these you still had to stick the card in a slot in the dash)

Didn't some early models so equipped have a failsafe (some place to actually stick a back up key to do the deed in case something fails? I am pretty sure I saw something like this on a 2006 mazes cx9 and some 2002 Renaults in France (this was the first time I ever saw a car with push start, but in these you still had to stick the card in a slot in the dash)

The Infiniti intelligent key fob can be inserted into a slot near the steering column should its battery die. There is a physical key inside the fob that can bu used to unlock the driver`s door.

Push start is a neat ideal but I prefer a key. Like they say if it isnt broke dont fix it. My one worry is what if that system breaks somehow and you cant start your car? Even with my 2000 accord I dont like the idea of that little chip in the key. Call me old fashion and I know times are changing. Like I said its a neat idea.

What if the starter fails and you can`t start the car - should be have stayed with hand cranks

The Infiniti intelligent key fob can be inserted into a slot near the steering column should its battery die. There is a physical key inside the fob that can bu used to unlock the driver`s door.

Thanks!

It's seems to then that there is indeed not a big risk increase with this system (at least if executed properly).

What if the starter fails and you can`t start the car - should be have stayed with hand cranks

LOL. You then just have to remember to crank with the right arm (or is it the left :lmao:) to avoid breaking a bone.

Lets also forget about power steering and breaks. Spinning the wheel and emergency breaking used to be a good way to exercise arms, torso and legs.

Rofl!!!!

a push button start would be awesome

Personally I'd rather not have push button start.

I'd like to see one like the Nissan's have...completely keyless when you need it because your hands are full of stuff, but you can also pull out the key when you want. Speaking as a female, I would LOVE to have a completely keyless entry and start because the last thing I want to do is search into the bottomless pit of a purse that I have trying to find my keys.

Guess we'll have to wait and see....

I'd like to see one like the Nissan's have...completely keyless when you need it because your hands are full of stuff, but you can also pull out the key when you want. Speaking as a female, I would LOVE to have a completely keyless entry and start because the last thing I want to do is search into the bottomless pit of a purse that I have trying to find my keys.

Guess we'll have to wait and see....

If you have keyless push start why would you all the sudden feel the urge to get the key out and use it instead.:dunno:
I think the key part is meant to be used ss a fail safe in case the battery of the keyless remote suddenly dies on you. :nuts:

If you have keyless push start why would you all the sudden feel the urge to get the key out and use it instead.:dunno:
I think the key part is meant to be used ss a fail safe in case the battery of the keyless remote suddenly dies on you. :nuts:

When the battery dies the alarm goes off, even with the physical key, lol. My wife's Sentra is a pain about that, but I still almost got an Altima just for the feature. Very glad I didn't, but it is a nice one.

When the battery dies the alarm goes off, even with the physical key, lol. My wife's Sentra is a pain about that, but I still almost got an Altima just for the feature. Very glad I didn't, but it is a nice one.

This sounds like an annoying byproduct ...
If the accord has this feature it would he interesting to find out how it handles this scenario...

If you have keyless push start why would you all the sudden feel the urge to get the key out and use it instead.:dunno:
I think the key part is meant to be used ss a fail safe in case the battery of the keyless remote suddenly dies on you. :nuts:


To satisfy those who like the keyless start, but still have the key option for whose who prefer the traditional key starting.

Someone needs some medication. Usually the car cannot be opened unless the key fob was in direct proximity of the vehicle. The car cannot be started if the key is not in the vehicle. Iv'e spent sometime with my brother on his Altima looking for some type of lupole...

It is called BLUETOOTH. Look up the technology. If your car is parked in close proximity to the key, even through a wall, you can open the door. The word you are looking for is LOOPHOLE, not lupole. Learn how to spell.

It is called BLUETOOTH. Look up the technology. If your car is parked in close proximity to the key, even through a wall, you can open the door. The word you are looking for is LOOPHOLE, not lupole. Learn how to spell.

Don't be silly. BMW doesn't have that problem. The car won't start if the key isn't in the front two seats area :rolleyes: Maybe Nissan is more primative, though that's what you get for buying a Nissan Altima, anyways.

It's not even like Honda doesn't have experience with such systems, the S2000 has it, along with several Acura models.

I really don't get people like you. I would have expected better of someone with 3000+ posts...

You are totally untitled to your opinions. And thanks for bringing some factoids to the discussion. You do realize that keyless push start systems ARE becoming the norm right?

You post became worthless when you decided to turn it into a rant. Attacking people is never a good way to further an opinion.

I can't believe you were actually dumb enough to give money to this website. My 3,000 posts were back when the website used to be good, years ago. Now it is just a corporate sell-out and a fun place to troll against the ricers that took over the site. When you ask for your account to be deleted, the mods refuse to do it because they have to lie to the advertisers on how many members they have so they can continue to get revenue. That is how the site works now, and they duped you into paying for it! LOL.

I am "untitled" to my opinion? Your lack of intelligence makes your post worthless. You are a hypocrite if you claim attacking people is not a good way to further your opinion, when you attack me doing the same thing. Keyless push button start systems are NOT becoming the norm. I have been in plenty of 2012 cars that have all options, including Nav systems, and NONE had push button start. Turn a key, push a button, who cares. With your lame-ass push button start system, when there is a computer malfunction, the car won't even start. Meanwhile, with a real key, I could start the car and drive away. Turning a key is an easier starter system than a computer-based push button start system. The key will always start the car, unlike a malfunctioning computer.

It is called BLUETOOTH. Look up the technology. If your car is parked in close proximity to the key, even through a wall, you can open the door. The word you are looking for is LOOPHOLE, not lupole. Learn how to spell.

Fell better now? One misspelling, i didn't realize this was English class. Even through the wall the car was NOT able to open. So BLUETOOTH or not smart ass, it is "tuned" not to be opened with such ease.

I can't believe you were actually dumb enough to give money to this website. My 3,000 posts were back when the website used to be good, years ago. Now it is just a corporate sell-out and a fun place to troll against the ricers that took over the site. When you ask for your account to be deleted, the mods refuse to do it because they have to lie to the advertisers on how many members they have so they can continue to get revenue. That is how the site works now, and they duped you into paying for it! LOL.

I am "untitled" to my opinion? Your lack of intelligence makes your post worthless. You are a hypocrite if you claim attacking people is not a good way to further your opinion, when you attack me doing the same thing. Keyless push button start systems are NOT becoming the norm. I have been in plenty of 2012 cars that have all options, including Nav systems, and NONE had push button start. Turn a key, push a button, who cares. With your lame-ass push button start system, when there is a computer malfunction, the car won't even start. Meanwhile, with a real key, I could start the car and drive away. Turning a key is an easier starter system than a computer-based push button start system. The key will always start the car, unlike a malfunctioning computer.

Thanks. You explanation was clear. You are a troll.

It is called BLUETOOTH. Look up the technology. If your car is parked in close proximity to the key, even through a wall, you can open the door. The word you are looking for is LOOPHOLE, not lupole. Learn how to spell.

As far as I know bluetooth is not used for the proximity key.

FYI

Proximity / keyless entry systems have a VERY limited range. My Mazda manual specifically states the fob has to be within 2.6ft of either front door handle or the trunk switch. If somone breaks into your garage, the car won't open because the key is in the house. Unless it's hanging on a hook 3 feet off the ground on the wall right next to the car, nothing will happen. I've left the car and have forgotten to turn off ACC mode. The car knows as soon as I get out and shut the door, the fob just moved out of the 2.6ft range.

As for additional security, it's encypted like a regular key with an immobilizer chip. And there is a backup key in the fob.

Personally, the keyless start is something I can give or take but it is very convenient. And IMO it seems there would be more issues with a key and tumbler set down the road than electronics.

What I like keyless systems for is the convenience of the unlocking. I really do like being able to walk up to the car, grab the handle and get in. When it's pouring our or if there's just a ton of stuff in my pocket, it's much easier to grab and go.

My brother's friend owns a Accord too,without push start but he really wants one, and I was told by him you can add it onto your car,kinda like a modifying job to the car. You can buy it from China and let a technician to install, that's simple and amazing! it is truth that he install the push start system into Accord, but i'm sorry I forget the name of the supplier... ... but i wanna say, that's awesome !

I drove a Camry, it rides stiff, seems much cheaper than a Accord. I'd go buy another Nissan before a Camry. I do have a Tacoma, love it.

I'm not sure what the excitement about push buttons are, especially if you are still turning a fake key.

:thmsup:

Push button is great, you'd never go back once you have it. Also don't get key scratch marks on the ignition if you miss.

I drove a Camry, it rides stiff, seems much cheaper than a Accord. I'd go buy another Nissan before a Camry. I do have a Tacoma, love it.

I can t beleive how much they messed up the new Camry rear lights.

And what about the chromed area around the fogs? That and the rear lights do creep me out.

I don't think the key fobs use bluetooth. And also, my Avalon doesn't open unless I'm something like 2 to 3 feet from the car. Push button is a fantastic feature and Accord should have one for the new model because key fob and push button start no longer seem to be 'luxurious' features.

I do not know who thought or was told that the transmitters use bluetooth, that is incorrect. Bluetooth was developed by Ericsson Telecom in 1994, and keyless ignition was developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1997. They each hold the individual patents on the respective technologies, so Mercedes did not steal or use any bluetooth technology from Ericsson.

The frequencies used in a keyless ignition transponder are much lower than Bluetooth frequencies. Which would explain why the battery in a car's keyless transponder can last years before needing replacement, and the battery in your cell phone needs to be recharged a day or two after using Bluetooth a lot.

The transponder for a car is a direct communication device, meaning the transponder and the car's ECM communicate directly with each other on the frequencies. Whereas Bluetooth is a communication sequence designed to carry information on it rather than directly.

I do not know who thought or was told that the transmitters use bluetooth, that is incorrect. Bluetooth was developed by Ericsson Telecom in 1994, and keyless ignition was developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1997. They each hold the individual patents on the respective technologies, so Mercedes did not steal or use any bluetooth technology from Ericsson.

The frequencies used in a keyless ignition transponder are much lower than Bluetooth frequencies. Which would explain why the battery in a car's keyless transponder can last years before needing replacement, and the battery in your cell phone needs to be recharged a day or two after using Bluetooth a lot.

The transponder for a car is a direct communication device, meaning the transponder and the car's ECM communicate directly with each other on the frequencies. Whereas Bluetooth is a communication sequence designed to carry information on it rather than directly.

I've been saying this for a while. A think there's been some people that seem to fear the technology and somehow decided it was bluetooth based which would enable thieves to open up garages and just drive away with the cars... I just say: seriously?

For the starters, Bluetooth drains your battery almost as fast as you can charge it. So, obviously car manufacturers will not use such a technology for key fobs.

I couldn't care less about push button start. It's a toy and gimmick. Now what I do miss from my Mazda is the Keyless start with the Autolock turned on(isn't by default) so when you walk away from the car the doors lock. God I miss keyless start! No more scratches around keyhole either.

Hello everyone, first post on the forum. Great information for a prospective Accord coupe buyer.

Looks like there will be a push button start! Never had one before, but should be a nice feature.

Hello everyone, first post on the forum. Great information for a prospective Accord coupe buyer.

Looks like there will be a push button start! Never had one before, but should be a nice feature.

Nice find! I had missed that!

I hope it's true... I really want that feature now that I already have it.

Fell better now? One misspelling, i didn't realize this was English class, ****ing smart ass. I don't know what piece of shit you had, but even through the wall the car was NOT able to open. So BLUETOOTH or not smart ass, it is "tuned" not to be opened with such ease.

Hey, the Toyota Prius WILL open the door if the keyfob is nearby and someone pulls the door open. It is only the Prius with Navi that has the Bluetooth keyless start system. My brother has one, and we have done it. You obviously don't have one.

As far as I know bluetooth is not used for the proximity key.

And as far as you know. You can stand 20 feet away from a Prius with keyless start and have someone else pull the door handle and the door will open. It is only on the Navi models.

Thanks. You explanation was clear. You are a troll.

Correct, it is fun to troll on this site, especially to someone to pay money for a free site! I am sure the corporate suits that now run this site were laughing to the bank with your money.

Bluetooth operates between 2400 and 2480 MHz. The Prius key fob uses 315 MHz signal. The Prius does not use Bluetooth.

Bluetooth operates between 2400 and 2480 MHz. The Prius key fob uses 315 MHz signal. The Prius does not use Bluetooth.

Regardless, you can still stand 20 feet away from the Prius and someone else can pull the door handle and the door will unlock and open, because the fob is within the specified range for the door to open. Great technology for the lazy people that can't turn a key. Tell them to get off their ass and visit the gym. But the ricers think buttons are cool.

Regardless, you can still stand 20 feet away from the Prius and someone else can pull the door handle and the door will unlock and open, because the fob is within the specified range for the door to open. Great technology for the lazy people that can't turn a key. Tell them to get off their ass and visit the gym. But the ricers think buttons are cool.

From page 65 of the 2012 Toyota Prius owners manual, section 1-3: Opening, Closing, and Locking The Doors:

"Vehicles with entry function of driver’s door:

When locking or unlocking
the door
The system can be operated
when the electronic key is
within about 2.3 ft. (0.7 m) of
driver’s door handle.
When starting the hybrid
system or changing
“POWER” switch modes
The system can be operated
when the electronic key is
inside the vehicle.

Vehicles with entry function of front and back doors:

When locking or unlocking
the doors
The system can be operated
when the electronic key is
within about 2.3 ft. (0.7 m) of
either of the outside front
door handle and back door
opener switch. (Only the
doors detecting the key can
be operated.)"

There is not a car on the planet with electronic, wireless keys that will unlock the doors at a distance of 20 feet!

An interesting link although I dont think you could turn off a car while driving with a key let alone push button?
http://autoholics.com/2012/08/29/Runaway-Kia-Sorrento-657564?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=083012+GUNK+Eclipse+on+30s&utm_content=083012+GUNK+Eclipse+on+30s+Version+A+C ID_22c6cb72346abb5ceb0640e50cf78e27&utm_source=CD+email+newsletter&utm_term=img2

An interesting link although I dont think you could turn off a car while driving with a key let alone push button?
http://autoholics.com/2012/08/29/Runaway-Kia-Sorrento-657564?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=083012+GUNK+Eclipse+on+30s&utm_content=083012+GUNK+Eclipse+on+30s+Version+A+C ID_22c6cb72346abb5ceb0640e50cf78e27&utm_source=CD+email+newsletter&utm_term=img2

I don't really buy that she wasn't able to switch to neutral...

I though that if you push long enough on the push button it would still shot the engine off... Still I am not sure I would do that (or at least not around trafic), if you shot the engine off you might loose some/all of the power assist to the brakes and stearing...

I don't really buy that she wasn't able to switch to neutral...

I though that if you push long enough on the push button it would still shot the engine off... Still I am not sure I would do that (or at least not around trafic), if you shot the engine off you might loose some/all of the power assist to the brakes and stearing...

Correct.

The owners manual for my 2012 G37:

EMERGENCY ENGINE SHUT OFF

To shut off the engine in an emergency
situation while driving, perform the following
procedure:

. Rapidly push the push-button ignition
switch 3 consecutive times in less than
1.5 seconds, or

. Push and hold the push-button ignition
switch for more than 2 seconds.

Correct.

The owners manual for my 2012 G37:

EMERGENCY ENGINE SHUT OFF

To shut off the engine in an emergency
situation while driving, perform the following
procedure:

. Rapidly push the push-button ignition
switch 3 consecutive times in less than
1.5 seconds, or

. Push and hold the push-button ignition
switch for more than 2 seconds.

Thanks for confirming Markus. A quote from an Owner's manual is always better than going by hearsay:yes:

Thanks for confirming Markus. A quote from an Owner's manual is always better than going by hearsay:yes:

No problem :thmsup:

I've never tried this on my car and I hope I never have to. It's good to know that the option is there.

No problem :thmsup:

I've never tried this on my car and I hope I never have to. It's good to know that the option is there.

Don t beat this one tranny this time buddy. :dunno:

Don t beat this one tranny this time buddy. :dunno:

What on earth are you talking about? You're making no sense at all. :dunno:

push-button start confirmed. time to close this thread ;)

It is far easy to steal RF code when it is broadcasted from the key fob as opposed to used an actual key with short range RF immobilizer code.

Oh boy, there we go again...
Get over it people!