04 Accord tire pressure

[Accord9404]

Hi,
Wondering if anybody has tried experimenting with tire pressure on the OEM tire(Energy MXV4)? Honda recommends 32 front 30 rear.
Thanks,
Matt

[10ring]

try 40 front and 32 rear.

[Accord9404]

I thought the max pressure was 35?

[10ring]

Nope, max pressure is 44psi.

[Accord9404]

I'm game!
Let ya know what I notice.
Thanks!

[RTexasF]

After MUCH experimentation, while considering both ride and handling, I landed on 34 front 32 rear. Do keep in mind that correct tire pressure is achieved @ 70 degrees F. For each 10 degree drop in temperature the tire will read 1 psi lower.

For instance: you put 32 lbs. into the front tires on a 70 degree day. If you checked the tires the folowing week , with temps. @ 60, the tire would read 31 which is correct for 60 degrees. 80 degrees would yield a tire pressure of 33. Got it?

We all know to check the tires when they are "cold". Cold = 70 F

[Pairallel]

So if average outside temps are 10 degrees, and we want to target 34/32 as our standard, our gauges should read 28/26?

And if we live in International Falls MN (avg temp = -40), our gauge (if still working) should read 23/21?

Seems like that 1 lb per 10 degrees must be adjusted somewhat after you get a long way from 70 degrees....:confused:

[RTexasF]

There may be a curve for ultra high or ultra low temps.

I've checked mine at 30F and they were down 4 psi from the previous days check at 70F....typical Texas weather variance. At 100 they will be + 3, cold check.

All I was trying to point out is that if someone checks their tires at low temps and fills them to the norm, say 32 or so, they could actually be overfilling them without realizing it.

The cold tire temp being 70F is not from me, it's from Goodyear. Just a good rule of thumb, not an absolute for every possible condition.

[Pairallel]

Originally posted by RTexasF
All I was trying to point out is that if someone checks their tires at low temps and fills them to the norm, say 32 or so, they could actually be overfilling them without realizing it.

You mean...someone like me?:headbash:

:roll: (Rushes out the door to let some air out of his tires...)

:stupid:

[Inspector1]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I1:D

[princess]

On this last DL trip he put 35 in the tires... it was to try increase the MPG a little.... I didn't really see any difference there.... but I HATED the ride! I like them at 25.

[RTexasF]

TWENTY FIVE? The Ford Explorer debacle revisited! Tire go BOOM!:eek:

[Inspector1]

Originally posted by RTexasF
TWENTY FIVE? The Ford Explorer debacle revisited! Tire go BOOM!:eek:
Under inflated tire "contributed" to that debacle....... Firestone became a scape goat on that whole deal!!!
The Vehicle was the main culprit!!!
The last count is 8 vehicle rollovers with Michelin.. kinda leaves one :scratch: :scratch:....... Oh and note how you have not heard the media talking about that...
I actually inspected one of the new body style Explorers that had rolled.. The driver was ejected from the vehicle and killed...
The wife was attempting to sue FoMoCo because the air bags did not deploy..... No frontal impact!!!!
A seat belt would have taken care of that issue!!!!!!

I1:)

[princess]

But my car isn't top heavy... It really feels best. He puts 30, then over a few months they leak to 25 & that's where it feels good.... remember, my driving is all in town where the speed limits are 45 & below. It's checked & added to for the trips. They feel like they grip better when soft & mushy.....

[RTexasF]

Originally posted by Inspector1
Under inflated tire "contributed" to that debacle....... Firestone became a scape goat on that whole deal!!!
The Vehicle was the main culprit!!!
The last count is 8 vehicle rollovers with Michelin.. kinda leaves one :scratch: :scratch:....... Oh and note how you have not heard the media talking about that...
I actually inspected one of the new body style Explorers that had rolled.. The driver was ejected from the vehicle and killed...
The wife was attempting to sue FoMoCo because the air bags did not deploy..... No frontal impact!!!!
A seat belt would have taken care of that issue!!!!!!

I1:)

The worst part is that Ford insisted on the low pressure(s). I realize that it was a dual problem but I place the majority of blame on the vehicle manufacturer.

[xcel]

Hi All:

___I personally run all of my vehicles at 50 + #’s except for the MDX whose Michelin X-Terrains are at 40 #’s. The FE is astounding with the ever present trade off being higher road harshness ...

Tire Pressures (http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/february2002.html)

___Another one …
Here are published numbers for Goodyear Tires with a Max Sidewall Inflation Pressure of 35 PSI for vehicles that 'recommend' a pressure below the maximum.

#############################

Dry Macadam Surface
(Stopping Distance in Feet)

2001 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport__20 psi__28 psi__35 psi
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________75.5____76.2____75.8
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS__________69.9____68.1____66.3
Full Depth Tread without ABS______98.3____95.9____91.6

1997 Ford Ranger
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________80.8____78.2____77.6
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS__________79.0____74.8____71.4
Full Depth Tread without ABS______97.8____96.5____94.1

#############################

0.02 Inch Wet Macadam Surface
(Stopping Distance in Feet)

2001 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport__20 psi__28 psi__35 psi
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________79.8____78.5____77.1
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS__________84.7____73.7____81.4
Full Depth Tread without ABS_____111.1___110.2___108.6

1997 Ford Ranger
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________83.8____81.5____79.8
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS__________91.5____89.4____84.6
Full Depth Tread without ABS_____131.9___126.0___118.4

#############################

0.05 Inch Wet Macadam Surface
(Stopping Distance in Feet)

2001 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport__20 psi__28 psi__35 psi
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________80.0____81.1____82.7
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS_________103.7____99.7____92.2
Full Depth Tread without ABS_____118.0___112.2___111.7

1997 Ford Ranger
Full Depth Tread with ABS_________89.7____86.0____81.5
1/2 Depth Tread with ABS_________125.7___118.5___104.5
Full Depth Tread without ABS_____142.9___134.8___125.7

#############################

Specialty snow tires on specific snow conditions are, obviously, a special case, but it has nothing to do with the general behaviour of the average passenger tire in most conditions. It also doesn't cover slush where again, the ability to bring maximum point pressure to bear is more important than a big footprint.

Manufacturers set the vehicle 'recommended' pressure for many reasons besides safety and performance. Remember the Bridgestone fiasco with Ford. Ford recommended a low pressure on the Exploder, because it decreased the chance of rollover (at least partially because you couldn't corner as fast with the sidewalls rolling over :) ). But, that caused the tires to blow out. Bridgestone took the heat, but it was Ford's fault. The tires were rated for higher inflation, and should have been run there.

Most instances now where the vehicle manufacturers recommend lower tire pressures are for comfort.

But, in the vast majority of real world situations you will get better performance and longer tire life by going closer to the sidewall rating. The possible exceptions being mud and some rare snow situations where you are looking more for a snowshoe than a tire. But, Slush, Ice, and Plowed snow all benefit greatly from higher pressure.

What's really bad is when people buy into this 'big footprint' myth and let air out of their tires in the winter :(

I'm not saying to always inflate tires to the sidewall max, but 99.9% of the time you'll do far better to inflate a bit over what's printed on the vehicle. I know many tire professionals who use the '5 Pounds Over' rule on their own cars. IE, if the vehicle manufacturer wants 28 pounds in the tires, they do 33. If the manufacturer wants 32, they do 37.

This has another benefit. It makes sure you don't run under-inflated, because it's ALWAYS far safer to be a few pounds over than a few pounds under.___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[RTexasF]

Good info, thanks!

I have something to add to this statement:

"I'm not saying to always inflate tires to the sidewall max, but 99.9% of the time you'll do far better to inflate a bit over what's printed on the vehicle. I know many tire professionals who use the '5 Pounds Over' rule on their own cars. IE, if the vehicle manufacturer wants 28 pounds in the tires, they do 33. If the manufacturer wants 32, they do 37."

I know many that do the same however you must check the max pressure on the sidewall to see if you are still in the safety zone.
For instance the Toyos on one of our cars has a 35psi maximum, the car manufacturer calls for 30psi all around. By inflating this tire to 35 when cold there's a good possibility for a blowout as the tire heats up on the highway and builds 10% more pressure.

[xcel]

Hi RTexasF:

___The chance of a blowout at 50 #’s on a 44 # max sidewall tire is between slim and none. Burst pressures are far in excess of 100 #’s on most tires today. In mid-summer, the Insight’s Bridgestone RE92’s (44 #’s max sidewall) are pushing upwards of 65 #’s and do for any number of hypermiling owning Insighter’s.

___Besides faster turn in and much longer tread life, you will receive much higher FE albeit at the expense of a much rougher ride.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[RTexasF]

I respect your opinion but there certainly is a reason that the max pressure is printed clearly on the sidewall. I choose to heed the max given.

I do agree with added pressure, to a point, yielding better wear and MPG. Personally I just can't deal with the "beat me up ride" to gain a little better MPG and tire wear. To each his/her own.

[BenjiBoy650]

RTF, I think the max pressure listed on the sidewall is when cold. Thus, when you put in 35 and the max reads 35, it should be fine. However, I do agree that people should be more cautious about tire pressures. Though the blowout risk is probably slim, it isn't pretty when it happens. It's a lot to risk for a few pennies of gas money. In addition, tires are not always guaranteed to be in the best of shape, even new ones. You never know when there is that one tire that is defective, and you fill it to 50PSI...when it blows, good luck.

[xcel]

Hi RTexasF:

___In regards to the little improvement in FE, in my 2 test drive of the Accord at just 40 #’s, I have had > 50 mpg at highway cruise from the NAVI FCD. That is a bit more then a little bit.

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/details.php?cid=54

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/details.php?cid=380

___As for the ride, I don’t know how bad the roads are in you area but if they are that bad, it really wouldn’t matter what pressures you run your Accord at ;)

___Finally, blow outs? You mean the millions of miles Insighter’s and HCH’ers travel at 50 + #’s and not a single blowout has been reported? Save the speech as those that hypermile have much more experience in regards to higher pressures then your cute commentary portrays.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by xcel
Hi RTexasF:

___In regards to the little improvement in FE, in my 2 test drive of the Accord with just 40 #’s I have had > 50 mpg at highway cruise. That is a bit more then a little bit.

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/details.php?cid=54

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/details.php?cid=380

___As for the ride, I don’t know how bad the roads are in you area but if they are that bad, it really wouldn’t matter what pressures you run your Accord at.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

I'll be the first one to say that if you're getting 50MPG in your Accord, that's great but is probably due to the way you drive. I'm getting less than half of what you're getting and I'm only in a four cylinder. I normally run 32 and get 27MPG on the freeway. One time I ran 38 and did mostly freeway driving and only got 30. To me, that's a little bit. The ride harshness increased quite significantly and I wasn't willing to put up with it, so the pressures went back to 32.

[xcel]

Hi Benjiboy:

___If you want higher FE, start by hanging out in a hybrid forum. Of course it’s the way you drive and the setup of your automobile.

___The attached is just one world record on a single tank of fuel in my Insight. The same techniques can be applied to non-Hybrids as well if you so chose. If you want to learn more, there are plenty of helpful tips over at any number of hybrid forums … They are a bit more advanced then what you will learn at the EPA or std. green car sites around the net. Greenhybrid.com would be a good starting point.

___If you want to see a Record segment in an 03 Acura MDX, just ask ;)

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[Pairallel]

Originally posted by xcel
___In regards to the little improvement in FE, in my 2 test drive of the Accord at just 40 #’s, I have had > 50 mpg at highway cruise from the NAVI FCD. That is a bit more then a little bit.


Huh??? You lost me here...are you trying to say you increased the Accord's hiway mileage by 70+% entirely because of higher air pressure in your tires?

If that's not your point, how do you identify the portion attributable to higher tire pressure?

Are you sure you don't have a big sail on your roof???:blah:

[Inspector1]

Or a electro magnet installed on the front bumper:D

Do I see the relection of a tow bar in that picture;)

I1:D

[xcel]

Hi Guys:

___RTM.
Of course it’s the way you drive and the setup of your automobile.
___Here is a nice one of the MDX. Do you feel ashamed that many Accord pilots are receiving less then 30 mpg? Even the $9,600 Ranger XLT is killing some of the FE posted around Accord.net. A P/U truck of all things! High FE is actually pretty easy to achieve but you do have to LEARN how rather then the post cute commentary. There is quite a bit of difference between the 2 actually.

___Acura MDX … 180 mile drive from the U of I to the Wisconsin border in the middle of last year.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[BenjiBoy650]

Originally posted by xcel
Hi Guys:

___RTM.

___Here is a nice one of the MDX. Do you feel ashamed that many Accord pilots are receiving less then 30 mpg? Even the $9,600 Ranger XLT is killing some of the FE posted around Accord.net. A P/U truck of all things! High FE is actually pretty easy to achieve but you do have to LEARN how rather then the post cute commentary. There is quite a bit of difference between the 2 actually.

___Acura MDX … 180 mile drive from the U of I to the Wisconsin border in the middle of last year.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

We've seen the picture. But are you attributing a 70% increase in fuel economy to a 10+ PSI increase in tire pressure? If so, why aren't the manufacturers recommending us to run that pressure? I think that if it was safe they'd ask us to, because if all MDX's got 33MPG then Honda would look reallly really good. The fact that they don't ask us to run that kind of pressure makes me real skeptical. Sure it decreases ride quality, I think they would find ways to engineer around that though. So why aren't they?.......

[Inspector1]

So please share this setup and driving technique or is that a secret:)

I1:)

[xcel]

Acura MDX from home to the United Center to see the Harlem Globetrotters 2 weeks ago just after Chicago’s last snowstorm …

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[xcel]

Honda Insight commute home last September on a beautifully warm and sunny autumn afternoon.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[xcel]

Hi Inspector1:

___Greenhybrid: Do a search for a few of the following … The Horror, the absolute Horror, Drive with load, Low kinematic viscosity, tire pressure, timing, rabbit, acceleration, Autostop, forced autostop …

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[xcel]

Hi Benjiboy:

___You can do whatever you want, setup your automobile anyway you want, drive in any fashion you want. After all, 99.95% of the population is doing the same and their resultant poor FE proves this to a tee. Yours included. All I am saying is that the EPA numbers are so low as to be a joke given Hypermiling setups and techniques are not only easy to learn, there is no excuse for not learning them in terms of emissions, gas savings, balance of trade, terrorism … Pick your poison because this stuff we called Crude apparently has some rather nasty after effects.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[Pairallel]

Just for fun - let's focus on the thread topic:

Think you might get around to answering the question any time soon?

"...are you trying to say you increased the Accord's hiway mileage by 70+% entirely because of higher air pressure in your tires?"

"...how do you identify the portion attributable to higher tire pressure?"


Couple more questions:

Do you drive with your camera in your hands, "Wayne R. Gerdes"?

Isn't that rough ride at hyper air pressure tough on your kidneys and other internal organs (e.g., brain)?:blah:

{Good Luck}:rolleyes:

[xcel]

Hi Pairallel:

___Really cute. I think you don’t actually care what your FE is as you aren’t reading the posts nor are you looking over Greenhybrid for answers to your own questions. Get back to me after you have done 30 minutes of reading instead please. Can I call you a brain or brainless now?

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[Inspector1]

Interesting stuff over there exel.
The only thing that I see as a downside of this is that if they are so preoccupied with that extra MPG they are distracted from actually driving, even worse than using a cell phone.
I just hope I don't run across one of these people turning their a/c switch on and off, leaving clearance for themselves to make the lights , watching their trip computers ,calculating on their palm pilots and drafting trucks to get that extra MPG with no regard for the 100 other cars being held up in their little micro world.
But heck if that is what they enjoy doing thats cool............
To each their own:)
Just don't hold me up when I am trying to get where I am going and making me get caught at lights and loose my momentum and increasing my gas mileage... :mad:
If more people did this then I would have to get a push bar put on the front of my car and help them increase their mileage off road and onto the back of a tow truck!!

I1:joker:


Quote

"there is no excuse for not learning them in terms of emissions, gas savings, balance of trade, terrorism "…

I do take offense to being equated to a terrorist!!!!!!!:censored:

[Pairallel]

Originally posted by xcel
Can I call you a brain or brainless now?
___Wayne R. Gerdes


Here's where you can find the answer to your question:

http://www.google.com

Get back to me when you have scoured the site for your answer....


Here's another question you can avoid answering:

Do you even own an Accord? :dunno:

[RTexasF]

"___As for the ride, I don’t know how bad the roads are in you area but if they are that bad, it really wouldn’t matter what pressures you run your Accord at ;)

___Finally, blow outs? You mean the millions of miles Insighter’s and HCH’ers travel at 50 + #’s and not a single blowout has been reported? Save the speech as those that hypermile have much more experience in regards to higher pressures then your cute commentary portrays.
___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes "

Cute commentary? What?, just making a statement that's all. Then you make a sly comment about the roads where I live?! I'm happy for you that you are a greenie and getting top miles per gallon in your cars. You are also obsessed with it! Your wise guy/know it all attitude has certainly alienated me from reading anything posted by you in the future. Good day sir.

[xcel]

Hi Pairallel:

___Maybe you didn’t get it?

Originally posted by Pairallel
Are you sure you don't have a big sail on your roof???:blah:

Isn't that rough ride at hyper air pressure tough on your kidneys and other internal organs (e.g., brain)?:blah:

{Good Luck}:rolleyes:

___Do you have any more repetitious and smart ass jabs? Instead of using Google, why not start here (http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/search.php?sid=c0c53fcc06df4af71e61e4832753f5cd ) and here (http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/search.php?). You might actually learn something …

___Do I own an Accord? No. Am I researching an Accord before I purchase one? Yes. Why, you didn’t? I think my 2 test drives kind of tell the tale.

___Air pressures? Yes, all the increased FE has come from increased pressures. That is why I mentioned more then once now setup (oil and pressures) and techniques. Maybe you can tell us since all you need to do is press them up for a tank, record FE. Press them up again and record. And so on and so on. Each car is different and you will have to find this out on your own. I only know what a brand new I4 - EX-L w/ NAVI is worth in a suburban/city and highway test drive in low 70 degree temps w/ 40 #’s in the Michelin’s.

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[xcel]

Hi RTexasF:

___It sounded as if you were taking a jab. Sorry if not as it appeared that way to me.

___As for the wise guy stuff and alienation … I know what your car is worth in the FE department, most here including yourself do not because you do not know how. With a little training and setup, you can do much better. Please refrain from reading this post at your earliest convenience if that suits you.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[xcel]

Hi Inspector1:

___Thank you for at least doing some minor searches …
Originally posted by Inspector1
Interesting stuff over there exel.
The only thing that I see as a downside of this is that if they are so preoccupied with that extra MPG they are distracted from actually driving, even worse than using a cell phone.
I just hope I don't run across one of these people turning their a/c switch on and off, leaving clearance for themselves to make the lights , watching their trip computers ,calculating on their palm pilots and drafting trucks to get that extra MPG with no regard for the 100 other cars being held up in their little micro world.___You couldn’t be further from the truth. To maintain hypermiler status year round, you are attuned to everything around you including traffic from behind and the side as well as terrain, congestion, lights and signs, and most of all, what your car feels like at any given instant of time. It does not in any way shape or form include just what is in your immediate vicinity. I don’t know how attentive you are as to what is around you when you drive but let’s say you are very attentive. A Hypermiler sees everything you do plus is considering cars and intersections 3 lights up, ¼ block back, and is always adjusting his or her buffer from the car in front to avoid any type of brake use if at all possible. One way I use to describe deceleration and steady state techniques of a hypermiler is “Driving without brakes”. Everyone reading this post can understand what kind of buffers they will open up if they didn’t have brakes and although I am exaggerating, it does place you into a completely different mindset. That mindset is not only safer, it saves fuel by the gallons at each and ever fill …

___Are you catching the jist of what hypermilers are doing to attain far beyond EPA estimates? You do not receive this kind of FE by letting your mind wonder as so many do with their GD’ed cell phones attached to their ears. Also, you draft far more in your Accord then what I do in the Insight as the Insight doesn’t draft worth a damn. You just aren’t aware of what drafts you are catching as you weave and around all of the vehicles including trucks both along side and in front of you.
Just don't hold me up when I am trying to get where I am going and making me get caught at lights and loose my momentum and increasing my gas mileage... :mad:
If more people did this then I would have to get a push bar put on the front of my car and help them increase their mileage off road and onto the back of a tow truck!!___I truly hope you are joking about the above. Someone following the speed limits in the far right lane getting in your way is a recipe for someone to end up in a world of hurt as you weave in and out of traffic to avoid anyone going slower then you are. I am sure truck traffic on I80/94 has a lower limit then cars as it does here in the Chicago area. This kind of mindset (Don’t get in my way) leaves you with the inability to attain hypermileage like FE let alone it must be a very interesting drive in the passenger seat with that kind of perspective. A hypermiler laughs this off and lets anyone that wants to go by without the least bit of concern for causing any stress in ones life. We have to much as it is so worrying about someone in our way means absolutely 0. You should try it some time ;)
I do take offense to being equated to a terrorist!!!!!!!:censored:___Take offense or don’t. I am equated with terrorism given I burn fuel made from crude and it doesn’t matter if it comes from the Gulf Coast, Venezuela, Alaska, or the ME, it is a fungible product. That being the case, we are all supporting terrorism with every gallon consumed if we like it or not. 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were Saudi’s (largest crude supplier in the ME) and they didn’t receive the support needed for their actions by stamping out truck bodies in a Ford factory in Detroit …

___The next time you pull in and fill the 17.1 gallon tank (7th gen Accord here) with let’s say 16.0 gallons of gasoline. A hypermiler would have gone the same distance, taken a bit more time to get there, and only burned 11 to 12 gallons. That is the equivalent of ~ 30 #’s of gasoline at each and every fill until you finally get rid of the car. This means you took that small nozzle, turned it onto the pavement and let 4 - 5 gallons dump onto the ground and lit it with a match. You don’t get it back. It doesn’t magically re-appear back in the well from which it came in its crude form. The energy needed to crack it doesn’t magically re-appear somewhere else to light up someone’s home. The emissions from that extra 4 - 5 gallons of fuel consumed even if consumed in a PZEV based Accord (highly recommended to all) is still emissions you can never retrieve. And of course the cost of that $9.00 extra (4.5 gallons at $2.00 per) each and every time you fill adds up to significant monies over the life of an automobile. You have a choice. I am for possibly the first time in some of your lives pointing out an alternative and you don’t need to do a thing other then learn and practice in the Accord’s most of you drive today. Your Accord’s are very efficient automobiles when taken to their absolute limits. The following link should give you some perspective by simple comparison. At least out on the highway anyway …

http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/fuel_efficient_cars_category.html

___And to all. Holier than thou? You bet. Hypermileage is second nature so I don’t give it a second thought other then paying attention before I ever turn the key all the way until I am parked at my destination. With that, the tank over tank results are proof positive that the techniques and setups work as advertised and they WILL make you a better driver if you so choose to apply them. It doesn’t matter if I drive the game gauge equipped Insight and MDX or the non-game gauged equipped Ranger P/U or Corolla any more. Once the hypermileage techniques are understood and placed in your daily regiment, they will pay for themselves every time you hit the gas pump and avoid burning that extra 30#’s of gasoline at each and every fill.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[stevel]

hmmmm.... I can't get over about 27mpg in my I4 manual trans 7th gen coupe. why not????? because I like to drive via actually pushing the accelerator, maybe even farther than I need to most of the time. do I know that means more fuel, and more money out of my pocket??? yep, I do. and in your little hardcore liberal (guessing I'm right on that), I guess I just LOVE terrorists. I'm sure you believe that also. If I drove a car on the basis of saving every little .1 mpg... I think I'd just shoot myself. But instead of researching and developing more boring ways to drive in the name of fuel economy, I'll enjoy my life instead. :)

[xcel]

Hi Stevel:

___Hard core Liberal? You couldn’t be further from the truth.

___Drive as you want? Sure. I am not telling you what to do nor do you have to contribute to higher FE. Well you couldn’t because you are ignorant to the more advanced techniques. At least you now know at each and every fill up it costs all of us about 50 #’s of gasoline on the pavement in your case for your want to go a wee bit faster. Someday it will catch up to all of us. To bad you haven’t realized this just yet.

___Does your need for speed arouse whatever senses that are normally dulled? If you are enjoying life so much, why are you are so worried about beating the next guy to the stop light ahead? I don’t worry about anything so trivial.

___Accord9404, Sorry for assisting in taking your thread so far off course.

___Wayne R. Gerdes

[BenjiBoy650]

xcel...I have a lot to say but I'll make it simple.

1) You have nothing to contribute to the forum except a bunch of hate and criticism.

2) You are giving dangerous "advice" that I do not want other people to come on here and read. 50PSI is NOT safe on an Accord. It is on an Insight, obviously because the Insight has special tires that are actually designed to run 50-60+ PSI IIRC.

3) Your posts are annoying to read, not only because of their content but because of your bad habits of doing "___"

4) If you're such a greenie, sell your MDX and your Ranger.

5) Let me know what dealer allowed you to test drive the Accord twice while allowing you the time to change the air pressures in the tires each time. I will be visiting them soon so I can go for a joy ride in an EX V6 MT.

6) Your hypermiler stuff is mostly BS and then some. Why? " Hypermiler sees everything you do plus is considering cars and intersections 3 lights up..." I'm sorry, I don't know where you live or what kind of Mack truck you drive, but in my Accord I don't see anything past the next 100 feet because of hypermilers hogging the left lane in their MDX's.

7) 15 of the 19 terrorists involved in 9/11 were Saudi's. That doesn't make Saudi Arabia a terrorist country. Hell, go to LA. We have terrorists right here in the homeland, white colored ones, burning up Hummer dealers and CDF stations. Hell, go ask the Middle East, WE are the terrorists.

8) The Insight doesn't draft worth a damn? You joking right? Car and Driver participated in a competition where they drafted an Insight inches behind a modified Excursion for miles and they drove normally and they got in excess of 130MPG. Second place was half that I believe. Doesn't draft eh?

9) Okay you win this one. I don't know the mileage potential of my car. I don't really care. All I know is that it fires up when I turn the key and it goes when I hit the gas. I don't need the brake as often, since I use engine braking now, but I guess that makes me a hypermiler.

[Inspector1]

Exel,
You must have alot of time on your hands.....

It appears that you enjoy confrontation on the internet from all your confrontations I have seen on other forums.
My best info to you is to stick to your hypermiler and green guru forums and dismiss yourself from this forum as you have from others. It appears that the majority of normal people do not agree with you and your battle needs to be waged elsewhere.
Good Day!

I1:)

As of this point this thread is closed..