hello every one...
iam new here ....i want 2 change my car ..its civic 2002...
i want 2 buy civic006 or ford focus 006?
plz tell me ur opinion..
thnx.

Well, you are on a Honda forum, so can you guess what most of us will say? :lmao: :lmao:

First Off, welcome!

As for your choice, you have some things to consider. Yes, read some reviews on edmunds.com, consumer reports, car and driver, and see what they say. This will give you a good idea about what the car is like and what to expect.

You next step is to go to the dealers and get yourself a brochure. This is one of the easiest ways to cross-check features and specs. After you have done your research, take some test drives and see what you think.

Now, the Focus will be cheaper than the Civic. I can promise you that. Civics are still in short supply and they are still commanding pretty close to sticker price. The Focus will have deep discounts, but its an old design.

Reliability. The Civic will have Honda's reputation for overall reliability. The Focus has some decent numbers in Consumer Reports, but it will not be as reliable as the Civic.

You should also set a cap on how much money you WANT to spend on a car. Don't look around and see what you can "afford" or what you might spend. Decide first, then look around and see what fits your number. This will help you defend against "price creep" (I think I can afford that).

I also recommend you look at the Accord sedan in the next few months. Some of the LX and VP sedans are going for what the Civic is going for. There are also other models that are interesting. Since you are looking at the ford, Hyundai will be releasing its new Elantra sedan for 2007. It is supposed to be really nice, you get a great warranty, and you can bet it will be the best value out there.

These are just some thoughts of mine. If you have more questions, keep them comming as there are a few board members who have Civics and can give you deep reviews if you'd like.

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hello every one...
iam new here ....i want 2 change my car ..its civic 2002...
i want 2 buy civic006 or ford focus 006?
plz tell me ur opinion..
thnx.

Its a shame the question has to be asked. Truth is I wish I had asked before I got on a Honda high horse. Sure Honda has some of the very best engines in the world. The best! But the rest of the cars arent as good as what is under the hood.

The focus has taken a bad rap IMO. And in retrospect I dont see how I could have made a really bad mistake buying one over my Civic. I would of had money for retirement or the new motorcycle I want. :)

The fact is,,, Ive had more warrenty work done on these two Hondas than Ive had to have done on my last five new cars. Four of my last five new cars were Import Fords. A Tracer, Festiva, Escort and Ranger. I have to go back to my last 8 cars purchased new before I come up with a figure equal to the issues of my Hondas. And those four include GM and BMW.

So look around. The differance in price between the best and worse is alot. But not in the amount or quality of the car. You pay alot to have a big ugly H or a sci-fi sombrao on the front of your car.

Good luck with the shoping.

I also recommend you look at the Accord sedan in the next few months. Some of the LX and VP sedans are going for what the Civic is going for. There are also other models that are interesting. Since you are looking at the ford, Hyundai will be releasing its new Elantra sedan for 2007. It is supposed to be really nice, you get a great warranty, and you can bet it will be the best value out there.


Totally true. Dealers are doing the dealer markups cuz its a hot car(car and drivers 10 best i think). i could not get them to go under MSRP. tried to but wouldnt accept. If you want the civic, try to get the dealer markup and transportation cost off. I wanted a 06 civic(after this years honda clearance) but the price was similar to a 07 accord vp so i decided to get that. Whatever your choice is go for it! gluck

oh yea have you considered the corolla? i think those go for really cheap. my old coworker got her corolla s(with hubcaps and no spoiler) for around 15k with tax. :thmsup:

You pay alot to have a big ugly H or a sci-fi sombrao on the front of your car.


LOL!!

I just saw a Honda Ford Focus in Chinatown the other day. :lmao: It's a Ford Focus hatch, devoid of it's ford badges and has Honda's "H" in its place... It also has a few i-VTEC stickers on the side.. I wish I had my camera with me at the time. :lmao:

Anyway, I vote for Civic all the way.

First of all.. I guess you post it in a wrong section? :D

Anyway, if Civic and Focus are the ONLY choices.. I would go for Civic. Just look at the re-sell values of those Focus.. they are dirt cheap after couple years :thumbsdow Why you wanna buy sth. which depreciate so fast and unreliable? Easy decision..

But if you are comparing Civic with Accord.. then it's gonna be more discussion... :yes:

First of all.. I guess you post it in a wrong section? :D

Anyway, if Civic and Focus are the ONLY choices.. I would go for Civic. Just look at the re-sell values of those Focus.. they are dirt cheap after couple years :thumbsdow Why you wanna buy sth. which depreciate so fast and unreliable? Easy decision..

But if you are comparing Civic with Accord.. then it's gonna be more discussion... :yes:
Moved it to the pit

It is easy to say Focus depreciate fast but they are also selling for much cheaper. Civics and Fit's going for 15, 16K...ridiculous prices IMO when you could get a Fusion or even Altima/Mazda6 for near the same price. Just a grand or two more, you could be driving an Accord. Financed over 50 months (slightly more than 4 years) without interest, you come up to $40/month extra to drive an Accord that costs $2000 more. You can't even go rent a car and get an upgrade like that for $40/month :lmao: You also make the money back if you ever sell the car - pay 2000 more now but get 2000 more than the Civic if you sell it.

OTOH Also on depreciation, if you keep it forever, then it doesn't matter right? The Ford is not an inferior product me thinks...it might have a few problems but you take one look at the Civic dash and you know it's going to be a disaster of rattles in a few years. That's what you get when you stick 5 different pieces together and try to get the "zero panel gaps!" build quality but also don't use foam tape (or use crappy foam tape, like on my car) :paranoid:

dont go with honda, i hear bad things about them. They dont wanna die, which is bad cuz for a guy like me, i want a new car every 2 years.

dont go with honda, i hear bad things about them. They dont wanna die, which is bad cuz for a guy like me, i want a new car every 2 years.


Hence why you looked at the CTS

CTS=GM=Certain death :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Like others here will almost certainly say, go with the Civic if you want a dependable and reliable car. Of course, there are the occasional lemons, but your chances of getting one are significantly less than with a Ford.

One thing Ford (and the Focus) has over the Civic, though, are the number of recalls you'll likely get. :thmsup:


Consumer Reports rates the Civic as, on a 1 to 5 scale:

Reliability = 5
Satisfaction = 5
Depreciation = NA (because it's a new model/design)

For the Focus:

Reliability = 3
Satisfaction = 2
Depreciation = 2

Another way to look at that is the Civic gets and A rating for reliability and satisfaction while the Focus gets a C for reliability and a D for satisfaction.


Here's what CS had to say about the Civic:

"The redesigned 2006 Civic is a major improvement over the previous generation, and is now CR's top-rated small sedan. Handling is responsive and the ride is good. The 1.8-liter, four-cylinder engine is refined, works well with the smooth five-speed automatic, and returned 28 mpg. Instruments are uniquely arranged into two tiers, with a high-mounted digital speedometer. The interior has generous storage space. The Si coupe is sportier than the old model. Standard safety equipment includes ABS and curtain air bags. Crash=test results are impressive."

What CS had to say about the Focus:

"The Focus is agile and fun to drive, and it handles like a sports car. The seating position is high and commanding, controls are clear and logically placed, and cabin access is easy. The ride is firm, yet supple. Two new, more-refined engines, a 2.0-liter and a 2.3-liter from Mazda, improve acceleration, but fuel economy is not impressive. Interior quality is lackluster. The roomy wagon is a practical choice. Reliability has remained average. Overall crash protection is good. However, the Focus received a Poor in the IIHS side-crash test without its optional side air bags."


Knowing a couple of people who own the Focus, I can't really recommend it. No, they haven't had any major problems (yet), but the number of recalls they've gotten throughout the years doesn't exactly allow me to put much confidence in them.

Personally, I'd rather pay a couple thousand more for a car that has a great record for reliablity than one with a poor/not-so-good one as I keep my cars for a long time (10 years+).

Like others here will almost certainly say, go with the Civic if you want a dependable and reliable car. Of course, there are the occasional lemons, but your chances of getting one are significantly less than with a Ford.

One thing Ford (and the Focus) has over the Civic, though, are the number of recalls you'll likely get. :thmsup:


Consumer Reports rates the Civic as, on a 1 to 5 scale:

Reliability = 5
Satisfaction = 5
Depreciation = NA (because it's a new model/design)

For the Focus:

Reliability = 3
Satisfaction = 2
Depreciation = 2

Another way to look at that is the Civic gets and A rating for reliability and satisfaction while the Focus gets a C for reliability and a D for satisfaction.


Here's what CS had to say about the Civic:

"The redesigned 2006 Civic is a major improvement over the previous generation, and is now CR's top-rated small sedan. Handling is responsive and the ride is good. The 1.8-liter, four-cylinder engine is refined, works well with the smooth five-speed automatic, and returned 28 mpg. Instruments are uniquely arranged into two tiers, with a high-mounted digital speedometer. The interior has generous storage space. The Si coupe is sportier than the old model. Standard safety equipment includes ABS and curtain air bags. Crash=test results are impressive."

What CS had to say about the Focus:

"The Focus is agile and fun to drive, and it handles like a sports car. The seating position is high and commanding, controls are clear and logically placed, and cabin access is easy. The ride is firm, yet supple. Two new, more-refined engines, a 2.0-liter and a 2.3-liter from Mazda, improve acceleration, but fuel economy is not impressive. Interior quality is lackluster. The roomy wagon is a practical choice. Reliability has remained average. Overall crash protection is good. However, the Focus received a Poor in the IIHS side-crash test without its optional side air bags."


Knowing a couple of people who own the Focus, I can't really recommend it. No, they haven't had any major problems (yet), but the number of recalls they've gotten throughout the years doesn't exactly allow me to put much confidence in them.

Personally, I'd rather pay a couple thousand more for a car that has a great record for reliablity than one with a poor/not-so-good one as I keep my cars for a long time (10 years+).

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Yeap.. I think Civic is OVERPRICED... same as the used car market, I think they are OVERPRICED too :D But ppl still buying it (my gf just sold one and she gets tons of call, unbelivable!)

I am not sure about the budget of civic-2002.. maybe s/he is flexible to get a Focus or Civic. Both cars have different price tags but they are still under the same class.. I think younger folks prefer to drive a Civic rather than an Accord even there are only few thousands difference..

I see your point, no car is perfect.. but with no doubt Ford is losing battles against the Japanese.. even Korean are making damn good cars nowadays.


Moved it to the pit

It is easy to say Focus depreciate fast but they are also selling for much cheaper. Civics and Fit's going for 15, 16K...ridiculous prices IMO when you could get a Fusion or even Altima/Mazda6 for near the same price. Just a grand or two more, you could be driving an Accord. Financed over 50 months (slightly more than 4 years) without interest, you come up to $40/month extra to drive an Accord that costs $2000 more. You can't even go rent a car and get an upgrade like that for $40/month :lmao: You also make the money back if you ever sell the car - pay 2000 more now but get 2000 more than the Civic if you sell it.

OTOH Also on depreciation, if you keep it forever, then it doesn't matter right? The Ford is not an inferior product me thinks...it might have a few problems but you take one look at the Civic dash and you know it's going to be a disaster of rattles in a few years. That's what you get when you stick 5 different pieces together and try to get the "zero panel gaps!" build quality but also don't use foam tape (or use crappy foam tape, like on my car) :paranoid:

i think a lot of domestic compact/subcompact cars lacks on the design quality. More like they are just made because some people can't afford pricy cars those companies offer...

while a lot of jap/euro cars are designed for optimized effeciency, and styling of their compact/subcompact cars are much better looking to fit the market demand.

i think a lot of domestic compact/subcompact cars lacks on the design quality. More like they are just made because some people can't afford pricy cars those companies offer...


See, I never understood that logic from US makers. Just because a car is "cheap" it dosent mean it has to look that way! The Scion tC is the perfect example of a car that is inexpensive, yet has great looks to go with it. I cant think of one domestic sub-compact that matches its looks. The Caliber, Focus, Aveo, etc are butt ugly designs. You would think that with todays technology, design would be one of the least expensive parts of production.

And sometimes when you get a rental (usually domestic), the interior is just yucks......

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And not just the interior quality either. The ride quality left a lot of room for improvement.

After my accident, I was driving a PT Cruiser and then a Chevy Malibu while car shopping. While the PT Cruiser had an okay suspension and ride (lots of road noise though) the Malibu was just plain terrible.... lots of body lean/roll and road noise. That Malibu definitely needed a better suspension (and sound dampening).

Then again, maybe it's because it was a rental and people tend to abuse them... but of all the rentals I've driven, nothing was as bad as that Malibu. And it was one of the new recent models too.... probably less than a year old.

^^^LOL, is "Alabastard" a new color?

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^^^LOL, is "Alabastard" a new color?
This was explained in another thread, go read up :P

^^^LOL, is "Alabastard" a new color?

Here's my explanation from a prior post:

That was intentional.... :D

When I was car shopping, the sales lady asked if I wanted the Accord in a particular color and I said I wanted it in silver. She said, "Oh, you mean Alabaster Silver?" and I was like "Huh? Ala.... Bastard?"

She laughed and said, "No, Alabaster."

So now whenever I hear or say that word, I can't help but think "Alabastard." I know, I'm retarded. :lmao: