I can't get the V6 MT coupe unless I find an extra $4,500. That's not gonna happen. So, I either get my "auto" (2800 miles), or I trade it for a 06 WRX, or a Mazdaspeed 6. What do you guys/gals think????????
P.S. this tread is DriveAccord related.

Come on man, you're a big boy and you've asked us this question a hundred times. We've told you what we think...what else is there to say? Go drive the cars and make your own financial decision :dunno: Most people trade UP from turbo 4 cylinders to V6 Accords. If you like the power on your Accord I think you're going to hate those little boy toys.

Come on man, you're a big boy and you've asked us this question a hundred times. We've told you what we think...what else is there to say? Go drive the cars and make your own financial decision :dunno: Most people trade UP from turbo 4 cylinders to V6 Accords. If you like the power on your Accord I think you're going to hate those little boy toys.
Yes, yes I did, ask you guys this before. But only now, Benji, did I get such a heart-felt responce ;) Your "trade UP" and "little boy toys" are great points :yes:
Plus, this time (this post) I have the $-difference-trade-in figure for the V6 MT Accord, just a little bit important don't you think?
Keep those suggestions coming :D
P.S. I am a big boy, that's the problem; if I were still a teeny-popper this choice would be super easy!

buy mine it will save you money and get you a nav system. :nuts:

P.S. I am a big boy, that's the problem; if I were still a teeny-popper this choice would be super easy!
Yeah, seriously! Teens like me can't afford the stupid high insurance of a WRX...I'll take the Accord :paranoid:

Yeah, seriously! Teens like me can't afford the stupid high insurance of a WRX...I'll take the Accord :paranoid:
Funny, my insurance would be CHEAPER with the WRX. I guess at the age of 26-27, the insurance company feels that you have an idea that you're mortal.
Accord insurance is super high because of how much they get stolen (is this a sign that they are good cars ?).

OwAce, thanks for the suggestion, but I want lower miles.
I turned down a '04 G35 coupe with 24,285 miles for $24,995 due to the same reason (so I'm not dogging on your ride or anything).

I can't get the V6 MT coupe unless I find an extra $4,500. That's not gonna happen. So, I either get my "auto" (2800 miles), or I trade it for a 06 WRX, or a Mazdaspeed 6. What do you guys/gals think????????
P.S. this tread is DriveAccord related.

I'd like to help, but what are you asking?

i'm 25 married with two children and full coverage with a $500 deductable runs me $600 a year! Pretty decent i think!

I'd like to help, but what are you asking?
Keep an "Auto" Accord V6, or trade in for a "Stick" turbo-4 AWD?
Quality grown-up car, or fun boy-racer car?

i'm 25 married with two children and full coverage with a $500 deductable runs me $600 a year! Pretty decent i think!
:jawdrop: How ya swing that?? I got the same thing, but at $158 a month on a Corolla! My Accord, when I drive it, is $165 a month.
Man, you must live in Candy Land or something.
Two kids, wooooooooo, I think I would rather stay a ricer hanging out at the Taco Bell and playing Initial D at the arcades than mess with that :eek: :D

I'd go for fun if you can swing it. I had the impreza but it was too small for the car seats we were about to encounter. I traded my convertible RX-7 and my Impreza in and now drive the accord.

What is the deal with you twos insurance?, I pay less than that to insure all three of my cars. My Accord only added $48/mo in insurance cost to my premium, and I am 29 and married.

I can't get the V6 MT coupe unless I find an extra $4,500. That's not gonna happen. So, I either get my "auto" (2800 miles), or I trade it for a 06 WRX, or a Mazdaspeed 6. What do you guys/gals think????????
P.S. this tread is DriveAccord related.

It's hard to compare Accord (MT/AT) to a WRX/Mazdaspeed I guess. It's more practical to just compare the WRX to Mazdaspeed.

Accord is more "family car", so-so handling, but nice interiors, more space, more comfortable ride, some power (V6) on the road...

Mazdaspeed has a very attractive package (fully loaded, cheap).. but I will get the WRX just coz of AWD and look better in my eyes :D

So it's up to you what type of car you wanna get..

It's hard to compare Accord (MT/AT) to a WRX/Mazdaspeed I guess. It's more practical to just compare the WRX to Mazdaspeed.

Accord is more "family car", so-so handling, but nice interiors, more space, more comfortable ride, some power (V6) on the road...

Mazdaspeed has a very attractive package (fully loaded, cheap).. but I will get the WRX just coz of WRX and look better in my eyes :D

So it's up to you what type of car you wanna get..
I'm no dash-stroker, but damn the WRX just feels like a Wal-mart car inside.
I like the Grown-up performance look (e.g. TL, G35, etc.) so I'm leaning toward the MS6. I, however, know nothing about Mazda reliability.

P.S. for all those who think these kinds of compare & COMPARE questions are over-the-top and too numerous; this is the other side of the coin from spoiled little rich kids. One of the dealers I spoke to mentioned this "kid" out in CO who picks up new vehicles like they were bargan tennis shoes. :mad:
Isn't it funny how no one whines and complains about posts with "well, I got bored of my 5 month old STi, so I just went out and got my daddy to co-sign for my new GTO. I'll see if this car is fast enough, or if I should start looking for something else"

Ok, rant done :)

Only thing I would be wary about regarding the MS6 is that from what I have read the turbo overheats and actually hurts performance after driving a while as Mazda didn't have proper cooling both on the turbo and on the air being pushed into the cylinders. Also from what a friend told me (he was considering one but then went with a 2006 Subie Impreza 2.5 base model) that there was no clutch feel on the MS6 at all...possibly worse than what the Accord is like. Basically in a nutshell he wasn't very impressed with the MS6 at all.

Considering you like Subies I'm guessing a slightly older Legacy is out of the question...

I have a EX-L V6 4 doors Aut. and trust me...you don't need 6-speed manual if you think that the manual tranny gone to give you the performance feelings. I went from a 350z and i can tell you...My Accord is very, very fast enough. I think that i have the greatest things from both worlds. The issue of the insurance i pay $798.00 for the first year and im 28 SINGLE!!!! ...So don't worry about the insurance rate and buy the car that really you wants.
My conclusion:
WRX: fast, fun to drive but not give me the look that i want.
Mazdaspeed: FORD and Ford is crap!!!!! (RELIABILITY)

I looked at WRX wagons before I bought my car, but I just didn't fit in them. It felt extremely small, even compared to other cars in its class (Mazda 3 hatch). The MS6 I drove and didn't like at all. I didn't like the interior, turbo lag, noise, and transmission feel specifically. Plus that insurance factor would make it much, much more expensive to own than the Accord.

BTW - I'm 24 and single, insurance on my 07 V6 6MT sedan is $80/mo. Mazdaspeed6 would have doubled it, and the Forester XT (the only Subaru I actually considered buying enough to run the quote) would have been in the neighborhood of $140/mo.

I have a EX-L V6 4 doors Aut. and trust me...you don't need 6-speed manual if you think that the manual tranny gone to give you the performance feelings. I went from a 350z and i can tell you...My Accord is very, very fast enough. I think that i have the greatest things from both worlds. The issue of the insurance i pay $798.00 for the first year and im 28 SINGLE!!!! ...So don't worry about the insurance rate and buy the car that really you wants.
My conclusion:
WRX: fast, fun to drive but not give me the look that i want.
Mazdaspeed: FORD and Ford is crap!!!!! (RELIABILITY)

First off, thanks to everyone who's responding :thmsup:

You know what AccordEX06? You may be right, I mean, except for the delay on "foot-to-the-floor" downshifts; the car seems pretty responsive. I also live in the city, which is getting more and more full by the day (no BS). Your conclusion made me laugh (thanks for that). I don't like this Mazda & Ford being bed buddies either :paranoid:
The MAJOR reason I didn't go with the (non-speed) Mazda6 V6 variants when they came out was due to the Ford engine & tranny :puke: . Taking Ford parts and putting them in a car which people are shopping for because it's an Import :scratch:
Not trying to be stoneheaded on the Imports are better belief, but come on, this is Ford we're talking about.

Now to the member who mentioned the clutch feel (or should I say lack of) in the MS6; couldn't agree with you more. That car made me look like a complete fool on the test-drive. After everyone was finished laughing and rolling their eyes, they told me that it's a very tricky clutch. Unlike the MT Accord or the 350Z, it doesn't give you that "window" of time to make the engagement. It's more like that game in the arcade were you have to stop the light bar right on the arrow; only there you stand to lose a token, as where with this car, you stand to get bashed the heck up.

Thanks!!! If i can go to the past i will buy a V6 Coupe 5-speed aut. in Black with black leather int. RARE COMBINATION but looks ****ing great...Just my 2 cents!
Good Luck!!!!

I can't get the V6 MT coupe unless I find an extra $4,500. That's not gonna happen. So, I either get my "auto" (2800 miles), or I trade it for a 06 WRX, or a Mazdaspeed 6. What do you guys/gals think????????
P.S. this tread is DriveAccord related. The Accord is far too different from either the WRX or the MS6 that I don't think it's a valid comparison. If you were only considering the WRX or the MS6, then it might make more sense since the two are more similar to each other. Pick whatever makes you happy.

Ok, back from the test drives (which devoured my entire Saturday due to dealers wanting to do paper work in advance).
WRX= fun as hell, but feels cheap and cramped!! Dealer wants my car plus 2 grand?! "Excuse me sir, I'm giving you a freaking V6 Honda Accord here, not a Kia Spectra ."

MS6= not as fun (scared I'm gonna stall the darn thing), but looks and feels more upscale (sport trim level, not as good as Grand Touring) and bigger.
Only increases my monthly payment by $11.

After all this, I now know why a redo is coming in '08 for the Accord Coupe.
If people are going to ditch the convinence of having 4 doors, they want something in return (yeah, yeah, I mean more than just a cooler looking car).
There is no reason that all coupes (and even the sportier sedans) shouldn't have been given some more pep. Now before people start slamming the idea of an AWD Turbo Accord, I was just hinting at HP & Trq equal to its rivals. The only car in our (Japanese) class that we have beat in those departments is the regular Mazda 6s. Nissan, Toyota, & Mitsu (I think) got us on the short end of the stick. Won't go into the whole :notworthy Nissan VQ motor thing again. Toyota just can't make a good looking 2dr (too much minivan-soccer-mom on the brain), but I hear that Manumatic 6-gear is pretty fast and that the engine has got some power to it. Mitsu, well, that Galant is just Fugly, and the Eclipse is just too goofy and completely non-functional as anything but a 2-person transporter.

As much as I want performance, I'm finding it hard to give up the VIP'ness of the Accord :dunno: .

The only car in our (Japanese) class that we have beat in those departments is the regular Mazda 6s. Nissan, Toyota, & Mitsu (I think) got us on the short end of the stick. Won't go into the whole :notworthy Nissan VQ motor thing again.

I'll give you Nissan...but imo Honda is still above its other competition. Yes the new Camry might have more power, but iirc, it is actually a fair deal slower than the current V6 Accord. Not to mention the fact that the Camry has a much softer suspension setup and will be slower around corners as a result. I haven't read as much about Mitsu, but from what I have read there were also complaints in the handling department as well. Its not so much the power the engine has...its more how it puts it down, and how the car feels while doing so. The reason why BMW is always highly regarded as "The Ultimate Driver's Car" isn't because they make the fastest highest HP cars on the block...it's because they they make some of the cars with the best balance in the world...at least imo (and I'm talking from engine, to transmission, to drivetrain setup, to suspension, to braking, to weight distribution, etc, etc, etc...)

If I were building the new 8th gen Accord...I'm not sure how much more power I'd give it, but the one thing I'd want to do is improve it in the handling department...but then it would be verging on "TL territory"...lol.

I'll give you Nissan...but imo Honda is still above its other competition. Yes the new Camry might have more power, but iirc, it is actually a fair deal slower than the current V6 Accord. Not to mention the fact that the Camry has a much softer suspension setup and will be slower around corners as a result. I haven't read as much about Mitsu, but from what I have read there were also complaints in the handling department as well. Its not so much the power the engine has...its more how it puts it down, and how the car feels while doing so. The reason why BMW is always highly regarded as "The Ultimate Driver's Car" isn't because they make the fastest highest HP cars on the block...it's because they they make some of the cars with the best balance in the world...at least imo (and I'm talking from engine, to transmission, to drivetrain setup, to suspension, to braking, to weight distribution, etc, etc, etc...)

If I were building the new 8th gen Accord...I'm not sure how much more power I'd give it, but the one thing I'd want to do is improve it in the handling department...but then it would be verging on "TL territory"...lol.
Yup, you do know your stuff. I love the 3-series; if only the sales people didn't give me the "ahhhh, you know you're in a BMW dealership right,,,,,so unless you got a winning Powerball ticket in your pocket,,let me direct you to the Hyundai dealer" feeling :(
Don't worry about stepping on the TL's toes, Acura now has the Type S again, so everybody can move up a rung on the ladder.
Speaking of the TL, I will be heading out to the Acura dealer first thing tomorrow to see what they can do for me with 20,500 (no that's not all mine, it's what I'm getting from Mazda for my AV6). Plus, I still got to payoff/roll-into my previous loan :boohoo:
Wish me luck, I'll need it!
Damn Nissan, why didn't you come out with that Altima coupe a year earlier??!

Damn Nissan, why didn't you come out with that Altima coupe a year earlier??!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yup...If it had been out when I was looking at cars it definitely would have made things more "interesting"...

I still wonder how it is going to stand up to the 8th gen Accord.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yup...If it had been out when I was looking at cars it definitely would have made things more "interesting"...

I still wonder how it is going to stand up to the 8th gen Accord.
It can only help the 8th gen Accord; because it will force Honda to start thinking more on the performance path and less about fuel-economy. If you want a car that has 40-55 mpg, buy a Civic hybrid. But NO, people go and get a big two door V6 and whine about mpg :scratch: Now I respect an automaker trying to get as good as gas mileage they can from their products, but buy according to your priorities so they don't end up making cars that don't do anything well. I was reading this magazine at the book store the other day, it had a quick blurb about each car and then a "what's hot & what's not" table; for our Accord coupes it said "nither a sports car or family car". See, now if our AV6's had better handling and power, that statement wouldn't hold.
But I got a hunch Honda does this so we have to start looking at TL's (I'm as guilty of this as anyone :D ). Black '04-'06 TL, spec-A package, Comtech S/C'er :biggrin: Now to find a magic lamp to make this happen!

Its true really...our Accords don't really "shine" until we begin to modify them to some extent. If I got a SE-R or G35 I seriously doubt I would have done anything to it really (besides a short shifter)...with the Accord I knew I needed upgraded suspension right off the bat based off a few others that I drove before purchasing. When my brakes go I'm going to get better ones (again aftermarket), and I'm already 99% of the way there to replacing my barely warn OEM tires with summer tires this spring. Oh and as for VSA....don't anyone get me started again on how conservatively set the system is on our Accords...Its a shame really when you are buying the top trim 6MT version of the car (esp the coupe as coupes tend to lean more towards performance than practicality), and there are things you know you need to do right off the bat.

But hey...at least once we make the changes we want to make, the car does become quite a jewel in the rough...so to speak.

I don't see the point of the TL. You might aswell get a BMW 335i coupe for a couple grand more and have twin turbo's and RWD and eat the TL all day long..

I don't see the point of the TL. You might aswell get a BMW 335i coupe for a couple grand more and have twin turbo's and RWD and eat the TL all day long..

Base TL MSRP - $33,625

Base 335i MSRP - $40,600

Sounds like a 'couple' grand more to me :lmao: :lmao: . :nuts:

That $7,025 difference would definetly tear me away from the BMW if I couldn't afford to go much higher. Value for the money, the TL is a steal. Not that I've driven either car, but I've had the opportunity to sit in both, and if I planned on going anywhere for more than 3 hours the TL would be my car. Its simply superbly comfortable, and eeks of creature comforts. the BMW has hard plastics (hq, but still hard.) galore, stiff seats, and a cramped interior.

I'll take a TL please.

The Accord EX is about $10,000 cheaper than the TL and has only 14 less HP, 22 less ftlbs tq, TL does have HID's, bluetooth, memory seats and a little stiffer suspension and cooler looks, but is it really worth the extra $10,000....I find it very hard to justify the extra cost......

Base TL MSRP - $33,625

Base 335i MSRP - $40,600

Sounds like a 'couple' grand more to me :lmao: :lmao: . :nuts:

That $7,025 difference would definetly tear me away from the BMW if I couldn't afford to go much higher. Value for the money, the TL is a steal. Not that I've driven either car, but I've had the opportunity to sit in both, and if I planned on going anywhere for more than 3 hours the TL would be my car. Its simply superbly comfortable, and eeks of creature comforts. the BMW has hard plastics (hq, but still hard.) galore, stiff seats, and a cramped interior.

I'll take a TL please.

I'm in Canada.
I've driven both and the TL don't compare. TL is a nice car but not in the same league as the Bimmer.

TL TYPE S with Aero Kit $49810.00
BMW 335i with Sport pkg $53600.00

I don't see the point of the TL. You might aswell get a BMW 335i coupe for a couple grand more and have twin turbo's and RWD and eat the TL all day long.. The 335i is well more than a "couple grand" than the TL. Also, you'd be taking a significant risk on the 335i since it's the first model year that it's being offered and will have kinks. And even if it didn't, the TL has shown better reliability when compared to the BMW 3 series. These two are quite different cars, but if cost is the main point you're making, the 335i is going to cost significantly more than the TL.

I love the 3-series; if only the sales people didn't give me the "ahhhh, you know you're in a BMW dealership right,,,,,so unless you got a winning Powerball ticket in your pocket,,let me direct you to the Hyundai dealer" feeling :( This might be slightly location dependent. Here near silicon valley, you never know who's the nerdy millionaire, so dealerships tend to give everyone a fair shake, even ones walking in wearing a tshirt and shorts. :)

The 335i is well more than a "couple grand" than the TL. Also, you'd be taking a significant risk on the 335i since it's the first model year that it's being offered and will have kinks. And even if it didn't, the TL has shown better reliability when compared to the BMW 3 series. These two are quite different cars, but if cost is the main point you're making, the 335i is going to cost significantly more than the TL.

I think the transaction price would be within a couple grand. More then likely the Acura won't come down too much from sticker and the 335i I'm looking at now I can get it for $51500.00 w/ sport pkg. 4 years no maintenance. Sure they're different cars which is why the Accord Coupe is a better bargain. It's just I see all this chatter on how a TL is the Godsend when I don't think it's that great of a car for the money. Maybe if I was 50 years old. :dunno:

That $7,025 difference would definetly tear me away from the BMW if I couldn't afford to go much higher.

I'll take a TL please.

and, just where are you getting all this money, young man??? :dunno: :paranoid: ;)

I think the transaction price would be within a couple grand. More then likely the Acura won't come down too much from sticker and the 335i I'm looking at now I can get it for $51500.00 w/ sport pkg. 4 years no maintenance. Sure they're different cars which is why the Accord Coupe is a better bargain. It's just I see all this chatter on how a TL is the Godsend when I don't think it's that great of a car for the money. Maybe if I was 50 years old. :dunno:
When I drove 2 BMW's that were essentially universally hailed as the definition of sports sedans when they came out, a 97 540i and a 2000 323i 5MT Sport package. Let's say that for all the hype concerning them, they are better than my STOCK Accord but simply overrated...way overrated.

When I drove 2 BMW's that were essentially universally hailed as the definition of sports sedans when they came out, a 97 540i and a 2000 323i 5MT Sport package. Let's say that for all the hype concerning them, they are better than my STOCK Accord but simply overrated...way overrated.

throw them on a track, different story.

throw them on a track, different story.
I'm sorry I forgot that the Bay Bridge from SF to Berkeley was considered a race track :lmao:

At work, so I'll be short.
Test drove the TL today :thmsup:
Makes my Accord seem like a freaking boat :thumbsdow
MS6 deal will die today if I don't take it (remember that's only $11 more a month)
Subaru said they will match Mazda's deal with their WRX TR.
Honda is being super stodgy with that 6MT Accord still ($4,500).
This car shopping is NOT fun :bawl:
P.S. Manhym SUCKS. It turns all our trades into dirt!

I'm sorry I forgot that the Bay Bridge from SF to Berkeley was considered a race track :lmao:

:scratch:

Ok.

My first question. Why did you test drive the TL when the 6 Speed Accord is priced too high? If you think dealing on an Accord is hard...try Acura.

Alright, so lets put this out on the table. The Accord and TL cost too much, therefore you are left with two options the WRX and the MS6.

If it was me, I would take the MS6. The WRX is a cheap car compared to the MS6. I personally would not buy the MS6 b/c of its turbo, but if you are only looking at turbos and these two cars, I think the decision is easy. MS6.

Now, if you want a used TL...maybe that will creep into the process, but that's a hard choice to make. Used TL v. New MS6....


If you have to choose, go get the Mazda. It is a better car IMHO.

Ok.

My first question. Why did you test drive the TL when the 6 Speed Accord is priced too high? If you think dealing on an Accord is hard...try Acura.

Alright, so lets put this out on the table. The Accord and TL cost too much, therefore you are left with two options the WRX and the MS6.

If it was me, I would take the MS6. The WRX is a cheap car compared to the MS6. I personally would not buy the MS6 b/c of its turbo, but if you are only looking at turbos and these two cars, I think the decision is easy. MS6.

Now, if you want a used TL...maybe that will creep into the process, but that's a hard choice to make. Used TL v. New MS6....


If you have to choose, go get the Mazda. It is a better car IMHO.

Good points, thank you.
In responding to your first question, it was one of those "if we are going to jump off the edge, let's do it in style :)"
The "fall" in this case was to the tune of $8,000 difference :eek:
I agree about the MS6. However, the guy will throw in a set of winter tires. Don't know about resale value on a MS6??
I want a N/A V6 way over a turbo 4 :(
Feel like someone trying to adjust while still in mid-air after a dive, but once you leave the pad with a crappy jump, there is only so much you can do.
I'm starting to wonder if keeping the Accord until something like the Altima coupe, or a AV6 MT shows up isn't the better choice?
To bad they don't make a "Tuner Ready" version of the TL.

Guess I'm more of a Honda Fan Boy than I thought. I turned down the offer on the MS6, the Mazda people seemed shocked! Called the Subie dealer and told him that he can go ahead and sell the last '06 WRX. Sigh, well I guess I'm in the quazi-family car for now. Vrooom-vroom, not reallly :rolleyes:. Drove the AV6 6MT again at the dealership, sure is fun. Too bad that one is a blueish sedan. Wonder if it's even worth it to start modding my car?
Any Auto drivers out there that use the Downhill Desent Contol on their rides?

:scratch:
How often do you drive on a track? How many miles have you done on a track? And you want to pay the $10-50K difference for a BMW because it goes faster for the whole 30 miles that you track it?

Any Auto drivers out there that use the Downhill Desent Contol on their rides?

huh? :confused: :dunno:

I already get lost about this thread...

Downhill Desent Contol
Track
Bay Bridge
WRX
MS6
TL
AT
MT
Bimmer
Turbo
V6
Dealer..

and I thought we already pass 11hrs?

:lmao: :lmao:

My 2 cents.. get the car you want!!

I already get lost about this thread...

Downhill Desent Contol
Track
Bay Bridge
WRX
MS6
TL
AT
MT
Bimmer
Turbo
V6
Dealer..

and I thought we already pass 11hrs?

:lmao: :lmao:

My 2 cents.. get the car you want!!
Yeah, yeah :lmao:
That's the beauty of these threads, you end up somewhere you never thought it would go.
Otherwise they would look/feel/read as boring as an old-school phone book.
To tie this together:
BMW 3's and Acura TL's are sweet cars that most of us can't afford to drive.
Stick is more performance (and fun) based than auto.
Turbos are great as long they are working.
Mazda deals with Ford, tisk tisk :(
Nissan and Honda will soon (not soon enough however) release coupes that will be oh so great.
Nissan VQ motors kick butt :yes:
Honda Accord had the best build quality of the cars I could afford.
Go fast on the Bay bridge?
Not ALL dealerships act like ___holes.
WRX's are big on performance, crumby on interiors.
Half-Breed is stuck with his auto AV6 still.
And finally; we would all like to get the car that we WANT, but sometimes you have to look at alternatives.

How often do you drive on a track? How many miles have you done on a track? And you want to pay the $10-50K difference for a BMW because it goes faster for the whole 30 miles that you track it?

oh, i wasnt saying that, i was saying that they are regarded as sports sedans or whatever sporty description because of their nature on a track. not how much i drive on a track vs the road etc.

i totally agree with you otherwise.

:lurk:

Looks like this model year was pretty much a carryover for a lot of auto-makers ;biggest news was the new Camry, MS3 and the IS350 (ohhhh mama, nobody can talk smack about that car :thmsup: ).
2007 looks to be exciting. Honda & Nissan will fight it out in the mid-size coupe section, Videogamers to Rich people will all be drooling as the GT-R gets even closer to release, and we will all have to deal with MS3 ricers on the streets :rolleyes:.

Looks like this model year was pretty much a carryover for a lot of auto-makers ;biggest news was the new Camry, MS3 and the IS350 (ohhhh mama, nobody can talk smack about that car :thmsup: ). Why not? It's not offered in a manual transmission nor is AWD an option. Both are available for the IS250 though, but not the IS350. :dunno:

man there is no money in the world that i would trade for my awesome family! i have a five year old boy a three month old girl and a beautiful wife that still weighs 103 after having two kids......and my other kids are my five cars/trucks!!! lov'in it!!!:jawdrop: How ya swing that?? I got the same thing, but at $158 a month on a Corolla! My Accord, when I drive it, is $165 a month.
Man, you must live in Candy Land or something.
Two kids, wooooooooo, I think I would rather stay a ricer hanging out at the Taco Bell and playing Initial D at the arcades than mess with that :eek: :D

and, just where are you getting all this money, young man??? :dunno: :paranoid: ;)

I wasn't referring to anything I was going to do Josh, it was to prove my point by putting myself ina buyers position. :)

man there is no money in the world that i would trade for my awesome family! i have a five year old boy a three month old girl and a beautiful wife that still weighs 103 after having two kids......and my other kids are my five cars/trucks!!! lov'in it!!!
Yeah, sure, but from what I gather, you seem to still be able to play (meaning that you still have your toys, a fine woman, etc.. you side-stepped the "ball & chain" effect of getting hitched). Nothing wrong with having it all.
However your case is the minority; so like I was saying...............