Potential new Accord Owner reading and learning [Archive]

babs

02-07-2007, 09:44 AM

Hello from western North Carolina.

So I'm looking for a replacement for my old trusty 96 Trooper.. 141k miles and running strong.. Just can't see spending the $60 / week in gas.

I've always been a honda fan.. particularly the 4th generation (I think) early 90's Accords.. And all the 4-cylinder H's I've ever been in.. I saw someone say (maybe JD Powers or C&D or some other big authority) the new 4-cyl engines are probably the best on the planet.. So I'm reading and learning and trying to get a honda education.

I test drove a couple rides last weekend prior to any serious online reading.. Learned a lot.

2007 Altima 4, CVT tranny
- drove very nice.. far better response than a regular automatic.. prior to me reading up on all the issues Nissan has had.. particularly the engine recall.. ok so I'm pretty much running from the Altima.. It's a shame.. pretty car, to me.. but the engine is definitely NOT what the 4 was in the Accord.

2007 Accord SE 4 Auto (NOT my choice)..
I want a four-cyl for economy.. and am FINALLY getting through to my wife that a small engine in a medium size car with an auto-trans is just plain dangerous if you have to stomp it to avoid a situation. So I'm going to re-test drive with a stick.. I'm sure I'll be instantly in love.

Read up a little on the VW GTI's and Jettas.. Wow what a shame.. As bad as Chrysler now.. That stinks.. Heck I used to sell them, and really believed in them. It's a tragedy.

... So serious consideration is within the next few months, an 07 or possibly an 08 (if I last that long) Accord EX-L 4 manual with leather no nav. Reason for no nav: metra dash kit and kenwood excelon head unit to replace the OEM with amp installs and definitely speaker upgrades coming.. I'm 38 not a kid with a car stereo fetish, but rather an older guy that likes clean tunes.. plus, finally a quiet car.. the trooper noise was typical old SUV.

Sorry.. Long winded as @#$.. So here I am.. Any advice from you experienced guys on my consideration of a new Accord.. I'll take it. I am interested in country of origin info on the car assembly, drivetrain, etc.

Also, I own an 04 Harley Fatboy and am a member of HDForums so I have a little forum experience, thank goodness. And certainly no, the harley is not a precision quality high-tech ride, like a honda.. It's just fun! :D Many friends on all kinds of bikes so I'm not a Harley-Nazi also. hehe

mwmcginn

02-07-2007, 09:48 AM

Welcome, sounds like you know what you want. I wish I could have talked my wife into a manual.

babs

02-07-2007, 09:55 AM

Thanks. Very glad to have found this forum and proud to be here.

Yeah she first agreed to at least just plain drive one.

"It's not your sisters 74 VW Thing" and "smooth as silk" were the words I used.

I stressed not just that it's some "guy thing", but it's truly a safety thing.. It's just plain unsafe to have some truck barrelling up behind you and you punch it, just to hear the engine scream and then lug because of the auto-tranny.

I'll admit, I could have been satisfied with the Altima's CVT.. Very responsive and quick.. But now I'm scared of what I'm reading on their recalls and reliability, etc.

Toyota is also in the running, but I'm just not so thrilled about the camry looks and probably won't be so thrilled about it's suspension and performance. Buick with a T on the front I think.

phoenix

02-07-2007, 11:18 AM

I test drove the 06 Altima in a stick back in Nov 05 and was less than impressed with it. Weak pick up when entering highway traffic. Also tested a 06 Civic and it failed my "uphill climb with 3 adults" test. The Accord was far and away the winner for manual i4 sedans in my completely unscientific test. Also found that the Accord SE (no leather or heated mirrors :( )was a great deal. I never even considered the Camry for the same reasons you stated. My girlfriend has an 06 Camry and the thing drives like a boat, very boring and unresponsive.

Guess you probably already know which car I would recommend :yes:

GRdotNet

02-07-2007, 10:22 PM

What did you think was so wrong with the Jetta? I liked the way they drove but it just felt a lot smaller than the Accord inside.

MJL

02-08-2007, 05:28 AM

Reason for no nav: metra dash kit and kenwood excelon head unit to replace the OEM with amp installs and definitely speaker upgrades coming.. I'm 38 not a kid with a car stereo fetish, but rather an older guy that likes clean tunes.. plus, finally a quiet car.. the trooper noise was typical old SUV.

I would suggest avoiding the metra dash kit. I haven't heard anything good about it yet. Plus if you plan on going with a 7th gen with leather, you'll get dual climate control and the metra kit will not maintain that feature if you install it. Theres always the option of installing a headunit in the cubby below the headunit. I'd say have a look in our audio section to see what all the options are before you commit to the metra kit.

Accordlover

02-08-2007, 05:48 AM

2007 Accord SE 4 Auto (NOT my choice)..
I want a four-cyl for economy.. and am FINALLY getting through to my wife that a small engine in a medium size car with an auto-trans is just plain dangerous if you have to stomp it to avoid a situation. So I'm going to re-test drive with a stick.. I'm sure I'll be instantly in love

I'm pretty suprised you feel the new Accord with AT is really that bad. My dad had a 2003 Accord (same powerplant) i4 AT EX, and it was a great car. I've driven a 5mt and 5at Accord, to me, the newer Accords feel very heavy in stop and go traffic when you're doing all the sifting, it's a bit too much work for me to handle as a daily driver. It's an excellent gearbox, but its mated to a car that's gained weight like there's no tomorrow since 96' (my car). Another thing, 0-60 times of a new Accord, and an Accord with 40k miles proved that the car had gotten faster since break in, so as little .xx seconds that was, it's still faster :). Sounds like you need an LX-V6, or an SE-V6. I must say, my car has 130HP and 139pft and I live in the hills man, I climb them everyday, and I merge onto the freeway everyday. It's pretty easy going for the most part, however some may complain that the engine gets up there in the revs and the loudness, but my car is 11 years old, so driving the new Accord i4's for me IS like a V6.

I truely think we as Americans in general have this notion in our minds that you always need more of everything, food, power, energy, homes, cars, money. It's sickening! I mean if the Accord has gained 36HP in 11 years (i4) then god help us when the V6 Accord which has gained 74HP since 95', is packing 300HP at the front wheels. :paranoid: .

stevencrosbie

02-08-2007, 07:39 AM

The AT really saps the K-24's ability to be fun IMHO. If you can, take a look at the MT and see if you can convince (you also save some serious cash not needed the AT).

If your wife thinks she needs the AT, look at the SEV6. The J30 is an amazing engine that will surprise you every day to jump in the car.

Either car is fine, but don't purchase something just b/c it is a Honda. I love Hondas, but if you buy one and are not happy with it, you could regret it for the many years to come.

Another option if price is a concern, go drive the New V6 Sonata. For the Price of the SE V6, you could drop into an LX-V6 Sonata that is fully loaded. So far, the ratings are very good and the car is getting great quality reviews (both of which Mazda and Nissan have not received over the last 5 years).

babs

02-08-2007, 07:51 AM

What did you think was so wrong with the Jetta? I liked the way they drove but it just felt a lot smaller than the Accord inside.

Not necessarily anything that I personally found wrong.. Just going on quality ratings, initial quality etc... They really get dinged pretty hard by the customer ratings. I was kinda shocked at how much. There's even dedicated VW Lemon websites floating around.

With a grain of salt though, if perceptions are super-high rather than realistic, then that defective tranny is far worse to the customer. I used to sell VW's back in the mid 90's.. I loved them, actually, but I guess stats data doesn't lie if they have excessive lemon claims.

Not to bash them.. because I always loved VW's, I kinda wish it were all a scam.

babs

02-08-2007, 07:54 AM

I would suggest avoiding the metra dash kit. I haven't heard anything good about it yet. Plus if you plan on going with a 7th gen with leather, you'll get dual climate control and the metra kit will not maintain that feature if you install it.

There goes that great idea. :boohoo:

Theres always the option of installing a headunit in the cubby below the headunit. I'd say have a look in our audio section to see what all the options are before you commit to the metra kit.

The thought of having the stock OEM setup sitting there with the kenwood down below just strikes me as tacky. It's a shame they must be so proprietary. :thumbsdow

babs

02-08-2007, 08:03 AM

I'm pretty suprised you feel the new Accord with AT is really that bad.

Not necessarily bad, but just at that one moment when you have to punch it.. In my old 3.2L V-6 170HP Isuzu Trooper with Auto transmission, I had my fill of hitting the gas and the beast does nothing but pops into high-gear and redlines, while sloshing fluid around in the transmission case. It's far more exhaggerated in the old trooper but it was present when I drove the AT 2.4 Accord. Punched it and waited, and waited and listened to the engine scream trying to decide on a gear.. The salesperson had really no comeback other than, "yep, it's an auto".

It's more of an extreme annoyance to me than anything I guess.. The sheer lack of control. Being able to shift it down a cog and give it the gas in a respectible RPM range, it should all go to the road.

I prefer the smaller engine because it's lighter, better MPG and pretty smooth and strong, but I think just having the "control" is the key thing.. Control over what gear and when. I think I'll really know when I drive a MT Accord for comparison if it's really that significantly different.. I do remember what a pain a manual is in slow traffic though. Plus and minuses in both I suppose.

James.uk

02-08-2007, 09:04 AM

Just because an automatic can be shoved into drive and left there till journeys end, doesn't mean thats your only option, I use my gearstick a lot, and it's far faster to change down and scoot out of trouble than when driving a car with a gear box that needs the clutch disengaging the gearlever moved, and the clutch re-engaged before you can hit the power! The only downside to a/t is the lower mpg, the rest is all better.. :) And my opinion is based on driving autos in the UK for 50 years, and for 10 of those years I was a pro driver sometimes clocking up over 500 miles a day, half of those on our 'A' roads (probably comparable to your country lanes lol).. heh heh..

As for VW I am amazed that they are considered 'unreliable' in the USA? over here they do intergalectic mileages? not so much the petrol engined cars but the diesels are super reliable :) .. My mate has a 10 year old 2ltre Passat thats done over 200.000 miles and still starts first time, uses no oil, never smokes, and is a real pleasure to drive.. :)

The Honda Accord isn't economic or fast, it's just an ave family saloon thats a bit more reliable than most of the others...

I dont know what cars are available in the USA, but here, if you want good mpg and reliability, then it has to be a diesel.. :dunno:
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BenjiBoy650

02-08-2007, 09:21 AM

As for VW I am amazed that they are considered 'unreliable' in the USA? over here they do intergalectic mileages? not so much the petrol engined cars but the diesels are super reliable :) .. My mate has a 10 year old 2ltre Passat thats done over 200.000 miles and still starts first time, uses no oil, never smokes, and is a real pleasure to drive.. :)
James you sit here and read all our forum posts, you've seen over and over people say VW's are junk. I don't understand why you haven't taken the time to research it, instead continue to try to insist or prove that VW's are very very reliable. What gives? I mean, it's not applicable to 99.9% of the people on the forum, and the person asking for advice in particular? :dunno:

stevencrosbie

02-08-2007, 09:32 AM

The TDI is a great engine except for 1 major flaw. The timming belt needs to be changed arouind every 40k miles. With that being said, its an 800 dollar fix each time.

Any saving you get is thrown out the door w/ that stupid belt. In the U.S., the electronics on the VW products are horrible at best.

princess

02-08-2007, 10:10 AM

babs

02-08-2007, 10:14 AM

Not to totally get into the reliability topic, but my statements about VW are from JD Power ratings.. Surprisingly, the Subaru ratings there are equally not so outstanding..

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/subaru/impreza/2007/wagon
Just throwing a Subie wagon into the mix to really confuse things.. sorry :D

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/honda/accord/2007/sedan
Five stars, naturally

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/volkswagen/jetta/2007
Two stars

Now, these show "Initial Quality" within 90 days study results..

VW starts out low, indicating bugs, then Appeal satisfaction ratings rise.. So, pretty much if you get one that's bug free, rejoice.

The Subaru, in contrast, starts out with a 1/2 not so hot Initial Q rating, and stays there in general satisfaction.

The Accord, naturally, a full boat 5 stars Initial Q (bug free).
Overall "Appeal" drops a tad 3 1/2 stars for general satisfaction.

So, if I were to grossly over-assume,
I could say about VW: If it makes it off the lot, it'll be an ok car.
I could say about Subaru: In general it'll be a typical car.
I could say about the Accord: Expect perfection at delivery, then treat it properly and keep your eye out for little stuff.. Given the assumption the typical Honda reputation that's been drilled into my head.. Bulletproof drivetrain.. "can't kill 'em".. "can't shoot 'em".. Whichever you prefer. :D

On just that or any ratings though I imagine you do have to take them with a certain grain of salt.. What I perceive as a "quality" car with a super smooth engine and tight handling, someone else may consider plastic, rough on the road and small... It's all in who you ask I think. ... Quality Engineer by trade by the way. :wave:

edit.. just for giggles:
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/nissan/altima/2007
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/nissan/altima/2006

babs

02-08-2007, 10:24 AM

Welcome babs! :wave:

If it's a variety of opinions you wanted, you came to the right place!! :yes:

It's so strange for me to even think about '08s coming out soon! My OLD '03 finally passed 20K in Oct.

Keep test driving the ones you narrow it down to..... most that own the 4 cyl MT are happy campers.... :D

Diesel fuel in this area cost more than premium gas, so it's not too popular. It's also harder to find on trips.

Here's what the prices were in Monterey 2 weeks ago.....

Thanks Princess. Opinion variety is what I'm completely used to.. You should see the HDForums at times.. Good folks all over there.. Love to argue though. Debate and data are our finest means of learning, I say. I'll go ahead and admit now, I believe to know less than nothing about Hondas so, I can roll with it all and am thankful for all the opinions and help.

Goooooooood point! The 2008's!! Yeah I'm in no hurry as my current fine Japanese car is still clicking along.. But, I wonder just how significant the 08 Accord revision will be.. I read that either 08 or 09 will be a new generation.. I did see a concept drawing much like a larger Civic.. Very very cool! Should I just wait? hmmmmm :dunno:

.. and just a stupid question.. For a typical EX-L i4 MT.. Where's it made???
Finaly Assembly? Engine? Drivetrain? Japan, Ohio, Canada?

I really apologize folks.. I have a bazillion questions.. I need a good hour and a couple beers with about 20 Honda officianados I think. :salue:

Here's my current favorite ride by the way.. A little milwaukee iron for ya:
http://www.hdforums.com/upfiles/3244/asppg_He558771628.jpg

James.uk

02-08-2007, 11:13 AM

Hiya Benj..

The comments from Stevencrosby, particularly the info about the expensive belt wearing out often offsetting the fuel ecomomy, followed up by more info from Babs were both helpfull and informative :)..

In the UK VW do have a very good reputation, I can only assume the ones you get over there are somehow different, but apart from the usual obvious crtique I'm not sure what the purpose of your post was? You still annoyed that I disagree with you about global warming? freewheeling? other? ;) Still.. maybe you've just had a bad day. :)

My Thanks to Steve and Babs .. :)
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MJL

02-08-2007, 11:18 AM

There goes that great idea. :boohoo:

The thought of having the stock OEM setup sitting there with the kenwood down below just strikes me as tacky. It's a shame they must be so proprietary. :thumbsdow

Yeah it basically transforms it into a giant clock with climate control features when you add a h/u below.

Theres another option for adding a half din screen in the upper dash area by the hazard switch. It may not be practical for you tho since it sounds like your aftermarket unit has the navi built in.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9765

BenjiBoy650

02-08-2007, 11:47 AM

I'm just very confused as to why you keep trying to tell us VW's rock and they are very reliable when it's become very obvious from numerous sources on this forum that they are not :dunno:

stevencrosbie

02-08-2007, 11:52 AM

Hiya Benj..

The comments from Stevencrosby, particularly the info about the expensive belt wearing out often offsetting the fuel ecomomy, followed up by more info from Babs were both helpfull and informative :)..

My Thanks to Steve and Babs .. :)
.

No problem. I would kill to have a Jetta, Passat, or Touareg diesel vehicle as I love diesels, but until VW gets their act together about some issues they have, I will have to wait.

VW is usually the first company to come out w/ the new engine technology. Heck, DSI, TDI, and some other technologies came straight from them, but it is such a shame their attention to detail is lacking.

BenjiBoy650

02-08-2007, 11:56 AM

Yeah it basically transforms it into a giant clock with climate control features when you add a h/u below.

Theres another option for adding a half din screen in the upper dash area by the hazard switch. It may not be practical for you tho since it sounds like your aftermarket unit has the navi built in.
You can always try this if you want it bad enough

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7080

James.uk

02-08-2007, 06:01 PM

Hi Steve.. I just realised that a lot of "reliability issues" are cost related, let me explain.. In the UK I can get an engine swopped for about £300 (£1 = 1.98$) so call it 600$.. So if that belt gets changed every 40k thats about 4 years of ave driving mileage here, @ £4.60p a UK gallon its still a good deal? as the diesel does more than double the mpg of a petrol engined car.. Whereas in the US with fuel at about 40% or much less than half that price, and repairs apparently more expensive, then it becomes a far far less viable vehicle when the UK-USA comparison costs are done.

I think the next move by world car makers will be to fit a 9v battery into a Hummer, giving it an electric range of 10yds per charge, it can then be labelled a "Hybrid" and sold as "eco friendly" .. lmho... :biggrin: :lmao:

Interesting link fuel price wise..
http://www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm
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babs

02-09-2007, 09:12 AM

Avatar works.. testing the new sig. :banana: since this is my newbie thread.

babs

02-09-2007, 09:15 AM

James.uk

02-09-2007, 06:07 PM

Hi Babs,

Yes sorry, thats the ave labour cost of getting most car engines swopped completely. (in the UK) So presumably the cost of changing any drive belt would be considerbly less.. :) ..

I use a local small garage and I get very good rates by leaving my car with him so that he can work on it while waiting for parts for other cars he has in, etc etc, but if I book in at a busy time the hourly labour rates about £30 per hour, if I just leave it there for him to work on at his convienience, then its about 20% less, and he rings me to collect when it's ready :) Paying in cash and needing no reciepts reduces the price even further. ;) :naughty:

Over here if my Accord engine was to go kaput it would be far cheaper to just buy another Accord, Ave cost for a car very similar to mine in the UK would be about £1.500 or approx 3.000$. :) and there are quite a few old Honda's still in nice condition around.. :)
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stiller fan

02-09-2007, 06:25 PM

babs,

to be honest here, i have driven both the AT and the MT in the 03-06 accords.....

there is a considerable power loss with the AT (less torque)..... but with the MT, very smooth, and very torquey.....

if you are looking for reliability in a powertrain, along with the get up and go that we all want in a v6, but can find it in a I4, then a Honda accord MT would be your best bet......

welcome aboard..... :wave: :)

babs

02-10-2007, 09:06 PM

Thanks Stiller Fan. I'm starting to have dreams about black leather seats, negotiations and payment books.. I really need to ride the harley I think. :D

So I spent my Saturday at the local "T" dealer.. I beebopped around the ... ok, I'm gonna say the dreaded 5 letter word.. Camry's. hmmmm... I've got some really mixed emotions about that car.. And the reviews and ratings aren't too far off from it.

Saw a couple SE's (Sport Edition) in Toyo terms.. That might be one I might have to test drive just for giggles... Is it me or are the 07 Accords priced a bit higher? I dunno.. eeny meeny miney mo.. park my new seeeedan but don't get it towed. :dunno: So it appears the camry has it's new body style out a year ahead of the Accord.. However, there's something very "buick" about that camry.. The SE is pretty dang sharp though, lowered with ground effects and the nicer grill, and sported up suspension.. 6 speed auto with sequential shift in the V6.. I think I need to consider it.

Test drove a little impreza wagon 2.5 manual also.. bwahahahahaha Shoulda seen my trying to get my big butt in and out of that little car.. Gave me good perspective of the subie 2.5 and AWD though.. Underpowered for AWD.. No umph after 50mph.. Getting to 50 was easy enough though.. fairly smooth for a 4 banger though.. Not on honda scale, but decent.. boxer engine is definitely different.. pretty much the same motor they use in all their rides I think.. even maybe the legacy.

Makes me think I do better when I just go out and just buy something and be done with it and quit splitting hairs.. The wife is in love with the stupid camry now because of the seq shift auto.. Got a problem on my hands again.. She likes the plushy plush interior looks too.

BenjiBoy650

02-10-2007, 09:34 PM

Makes me think I do better when I just go out and just buy something and be done with it and quit splitting hairs.. The wife is in love with the stupid camry now because of the seq shift auto.. Got a problem on my hands again.. She likes the plushy plush interior looks too.
I read a study a few years ago that said people who made big decisions on a whim tend to be happier with them, and small decisions were better made with a lot of thought. It might seem backwards but it makes sense...if you don't go look at this and that in a car, and you just buy one, it'll likely be good enough to say that you're happy with it. If you look around, later you buy one you're going to notice that hey this car doesn't have this feature that I liked on the other car and be :(

babs

02-12-2007, 07:52 AM

Words of wisdom.

Yeah so now the wife is crazy about the idea of the CVT in the Altima. Had to "switch" her because I just really wasn't crazy about what I was reading about the camry.. and I'm still battling the stick-shift thing, so in her eyes the CVT solves it.. I have to admit, it was the first automatic I've ever driven that I could tolerate for having the most engine response to the pavement without mushy stuff in between.

Please don't hate me automatic guys.. I did think the AT Accord I drove was as good as any automatic I've driven in any 4 banger.

So anyway, now we're right back full circle back to test drive 1 Altima.

Status Report:

Altima.. Sort of overcoming after reading up on the details of issues the QR25 engine had in the pre-07's, but not just assuming it's a risk-free car. Like the drive though.. sporty, roomy, classy interior (though no aftermarket head unit solution I've found yet), and fairly good pro reviews with nothing but positives, except from end customers with 06's with bugs from the oil-consumption recall.

Camry.. Fairly uninterested.. might drive an SE which is quite sportied out vs the others.. lower, stiffer, etc. Not impressed by the finishing though.. Just looking at the trunk hinge and plastic interior that tries to be more than it is, is fine example.. But I'll give it a fair shake. Would have to do a V6 though due to weight.. It's a heavy car for it's size.

Subaru's.. Eh, not enough to impress me to go with another wannabe top3 company.. I learned my lesson with my Isuzu Trooper.. Awesome un-killable car, that I can't find anyone to work on now.. no dealers, no parts, no nuthin'.. As if Isuzu never existed.. Thanks GM.

The Accord.. Got to get some seat time with a stickshift 4cyl, possibly a V6 afterwards to say I did. Gets my vote in the sense of NO-Risk, NO-problems.. But the local dealers are some hardcore brow-beaters.. Will have to leave my wife out of the negotiations.. It'll be intense for sure.. They're brutal with the gimmicks.. Guess when you know you have a great product, then the crap for profit potential comes to the forefront. Either that or they simply don't have a lot of $ in the new car sales vs their used lot which is usually the case. And I think they pin-stripe and dealer button every car that comes in.. I'll demand either I get one with NO dealer buttons or it's another $1000 off for the free-advertizing. They even stick a dealer plate on the front. Will definitely go in armed for bear with online quotes, rebate & holdback info, quotes for other cars as well.

Sorry.. I blab too much..
So it's pretty much still between the Altima and an Accord.

If it were just me, it'd be an EX-L 4Cyl MT, no prob, no worries, except whether to risk holding out for an 08.

babs

02-12-2007, 08:55 PM

Signed up for consumerreports.org..

Scratch the Altima!

Both Accords spank both Altima's and Maxima by a long shot in the family car rankings. I mean spank 'em like a red-headed stepchild.

Two of the top 7 cars are Accords.. Surprisingly, the Hybrid is the top of the heap.. Howbout dat! :banana: Doesn't hurt much that the top picks are also a blast to drive.. looks, sound, feel like a Honda. :thmsup: Now it's a matter of when. My wife may be another factor, but as far as I'm concerned, my mind is made up.

EX-L 4 MT I think, or opt for an SE and find someone local to do some leather seating.. About a $1500 expense to do it right. I can smell new car smell now.

Accordlover

02-13-2007, 05:06 AM

About a $1500 expense to do it right. I can smell new car smell now.

Maybe, but even more possibly becuase of the side airbags and the labor of disconnecting that equipment, and howevermuch more the seat covers with the special threads for the airbags are. There is only a $1700 MSRP difference between models. Its not the best decision to spend $1500 on JUST leather, when an EX-L comes with more than JUST the leather. :yes:

babs

02-13-2007, 05:36 AM

SE or EX or EX-L..
Carbon Bronze, Graphite Pearl, Silver Metallic.. I don't care. :thmsup:
So hopefully I'll have some pics to share soon, unless I have to wait until November, pending budgeting. Need cash! Send money! hehehehe :D

MJL

02-13-2007, 06:03 AM

I wish you were in my area. I'd let you take mine out for a spin to see just how nice the MT 4cyl is. Certainly not the power you'd get with a 6cyl but throw a short shifter on there and you'll be in love!

babs

02-13-2007, 06:12 AM

Oh I'm sold on it.. Actually, I've wanted one since driving a friends back in '93.. I was thrilled the basic character of the new cars are still like they were then.. "Tight" is the best word I could use.

My wife is NOT happy about it, but that is the car I want. I really tried to compromise and honestly consider the Altima with a CVT which was nice to drive, but there's just way too much pointing for the Accord, and pointing at the problems those Nissan 2.5's have had. I should also add the Camry SE could be the only other that steers me.