Brakes flooring after Caliper, Rotor, and Pad change

[frenzal]

I use non Honda brake fluids in my 4 Hondas without any problem since many years...

[fastball]

Originally Posted by frenzal

I use non Honda brake fluids in my 4 Hondas without any problem since many years...

I know you can use it, but the service manual suggests that other brands may degrade the system after time.

[Toshbar]

I bled mine closest to farthest AND use carquest brand DOT3 fluid.


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Honda also says that you must only use their fluid in the cooling system and manual transmission, except that you can use 30 weight motor oil in the transmission when genuine honda fluid cannot be sourced

[BLCKFLSH]

I would start bleeding on the wheel where the line was disconnected, since that's where most of the air should be. Then bleed the other three.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by BLCKFLSH

I would start bleeding on the wheel where the line was disconnected, since that's where most of the air should be. Then bleed the other three.

While that's true, following the order described in the service manual is the best way. There may be a possibility that the air gets trapped or ****ed back in somewhere else in the system if the order in the service manual isn't followed.

I would follow the order in the service manual.

[BLCKFLSH]

Consider this. Most of the air is probably still in the line that was disconnected. If you start bleeding on another wheel, you could be pulling the air back through the disconnected line, into the ABS modulator, then into the line you are bleeding first. That would require a lot more bleeding because the air is going through a much longer path. I think the service manual order is considering all lines being equal, which is probably not the case here. I would start at the disconnected line, then go with the normal order, bleeding that line again going through the order.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by BLCKFLSH

Consider this. Most of the air is probably still in the line that was disconnected. If you start bleeding on another wheel, you could be pulling the air back through the disconnected line, into the ABS modulator, then into the line you are bleeding first. That would require a lot more bleeding because the air is going through a much longer path. I think the service manual order is considering all lines being equal, which is probably not the case here. I would start at the disconnected line, then go with the normal order, bleeding that line again going through the order.

Now that makes sense. I was under the impression you were suggesting he just bleed the line he removed and then go from there. After he bleeds the line removed, do it again following the order described in the manual.

[Toshbar]

Just bleed the whole thing like normal.

[Artema]

Originally Posted by BLCKFLSH

Consider this. Most of the air is probably still in the line that was disconnected. If you start bleeding on another wheel, you could be pulling the air back through the disconnected line, into the ABS modulator, then into the line you are bleeding first. That would require a lot more bleeding because the air is going through a much longer path. I think the service manual order is considering all lines being equal, which is probably not the case here. I would start at the disconnected line, then go with the normal order, bleeding that line again going through the order.

I would agree here. I would do the lines you opened first. Then forget it, and do all 4 again, in the order your manual says. Who cares if it takes a few more minutes, an air bubble could mean people's lives. Having open design wheels is nice too, don't even have to jack your car up!

And I'm running Motul DOT 4.

[marc.chenier]

I really dont see a need to use anything but Honda dot3. a 354ml of Honda DOT3 is about 6$ at the dealership and ive heard its superior compared to other products. theres also aditives added to other fluids and dot4 will simply take more humidity which is not good for your breaking system.


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[JPetovello]

Originally Posted by StanB

When you're bleeding the brakes you should bleed the wheel furthest away from the master cylinder first. If you're bleeding all four the order should be the right rear, then left rear, then right front, and lastly the left front.

WRONG

When bleeding brakes on a Honda you go in this order:

LF - RF - RR - LR

[marc.chenier]

Originally Posted by fastball

I would suggest having someone do this. If you disconnected your brake line and didn't know you HAD to bleed the system because you introduced air into it the very second you disconnected it, no offense but you should not even be attempting to bleed the system.

It's a two man job, and it must be done right or you will have serious problems. Not knowing you had to bleed it, and then assuming you only needed to bleed two brakes at first, leads me to say you should most certainly take your car to a Honda dealer. Don't take it to just any garage, most regular service garages would assume you bleed these like most cars, farthest away to closest to the master cylinder, when on our Accords it's the exact opposite..... also, I would not trust any DOT3 fluid other than genuine Honda DOT3 fluid. Even if garages tell you it's fine, you don't want to take the chance of non-Honda fluids.

+1. Honda Brake Fluid is still of very good quality, not to mention it is the fluid recommended in the service manual.

for 7 gen accord, bleed sequence as of the manual is: FL, FR, RR, RL

[Aviography]

There is no reason why Honda would make its own brake fluid, any good DOT 3 or DOT 4 fluid will do.

[Artema]

Originally Posted by Aviography

There is no reason why Honda would make its own brake fluid, any good DOT 3 or DOT 4 fluid will do.

I concur. Motul DOT 4 is rated the best, and while DOT 3 & 4 are functionally the same, don't think that DOT 5 is compatible also. It is not.

[BLCKFLSH]

It seems Honda can't even decide which order to go with. These are both from Honda, but they have the rear order reversed. With ABS, and the individual lines, I don't think it really matters which order you bleed them.