Let's Cut The Crap...

[G Stone]

When the fireworks are over and the dust settles... does anyone actually think Romney will win this election?

[Dreamacre]

We are screwed with either Obama or Romney. They are both crooks that have no idea what they are doing.

Obama promised the moon and the stars and delivered NOTHING but more debt and blamed everyone else.
Romney has put thousands out of work, is hiding his money off shore and looks to be another master at the shell game.

I am voting for Gary Johnson. I know he won't win, but at least I can say I voted honestly and didn't follow the sheep.

[HADriver06]

Romney might win. And I hope he will.

He is neither charming, genuine nor 100% forthcoming (money offshore, tax etc.) and I don't particularly like Mormons, but he is the ONLY one left in the race who stands a chance of not causing a total collapse of the U.S. economy with one's failed economic policies.

Obama is a fake who's got his chance of running the show... look where we've come to under his leadership?

Let's look at Obama's record:

40+ months with 8%+ unemployment ----> A Record high. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING those who are UNDEREMPLOYED or have GIVEN UP looking for work! The numbers will be staggering if we look at those numbers together! Whas has happened to America?!

5+ (approaching 6) Trillion dollars of national debt in less than 4 years ----> another record. Yes, a lot of the spending was done in the name of saving the U.S. economy and helping people recover from the crisis... yet what have we got in exchange? See above.

Disastrous healthcare plan that will make it more expensive to the general public and most likely cause further economic meltdown with all the potential layoffs when the plan does kick in in 2014.

What else has he done? A bunch of showing at random events, congratulating athletes and celebrities, playing golf, vacationing and blaming the Republican party when others question him the economic woes! What is the use of this president, then? No, Republicans are not perfect. Far from it. But what use iis it if all our president can do is blaming people and not offering solutions to the problems. Think about it.

Here is what's really going to come down to:
Both are VERY RICH people and neither really care about the poor general public(although they say they do)!

One has always promised to save the economy and fight for the middle class but has failed so far in both regards.

The other is promising he will fix the economy and although not 100% believable, he has had a better track record in doing so. At the very least, he will need to have something to back up his claim in 4 years time.

Obama was given 4 years and he has proven that he is not fit for the leadership role. I wish there were other better choices, but given the fact that it is a two men race in a two party political system, voting for a third party candidate basically means voting for the incumbent. It is time to move on and vote the other way.

[G Stone]

Originally Posted by HADriver06

Let's look at Obama's record:

40+ months with 8%+ unemployment ----> A Record high. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING those who are UNDEREMPLOYED or have GIVEN UP looking for work! The numbers will be staggering if we look at those numbers together! Whas has happened to America?!

5+ (approaching 6) Trillion dollars of national debt in less than 4 years ----> another record. Yes, a lot of the spending was done in the name of saving the U.S. economy and helping people recover from the crisis... yet what have we got in exchange? See above.

Just curious, how much do you blame the high unemployment rate and high national debt to Obama? 100%? 70%? 50%?

Not savaging you or even trying to make a point; just wondering.

[thegrouch]

obama is backed by clinton. need i say more.

[reframmellator]

Originally Posted by G Stone

Just curious, how much do you blame the high unemployment rate and high national debt to Obama? 100%? 70%? 50%?

Not savaging you or even trying to make a point; just wondering.

Interesting that Obama blames it all on George W Bush and Republicans. Even when he sneezes:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-...1#.UD6wHpbF98E

The truth is a lot of selfishness and stupidity got us to where we were on Jan 20, 2009. Obama had both houses of Congress and got everything he wanted in his first two years. He's made it worse.

What he couldn't do through legislation, he tried to do through executive order and regulation. He's the leader of a party that racked up 1/3 of our national debt in four years. It took about 170 years to rack up the rest of it.

With very few exceptions, government policies do not "create" jobs. They can, however, stifle them a great deal through oppressive taxes, regulation, and, most of all, uncertainty. The investor class - and that includes middle class, so-called "working households" - is sitting on decisions because they don't know if there will be a fiscal cliff, how big it will be, if there will be QE3, how bad inflation will be when it arrives, how much our economy will be crippled when Israel strikes Iran, how much it will cost to hire a new employee, how much anti-growth policies will choke off production of energy. . . . Not only are Obama's policies adversely impacting all of the above, but he will also tell you Government is the ONLY entity that can do those things right.

US corporations have record profits and healthy balance sheets with lots of cash, but much of that profit is made and kept overseas because US corporate tax rates are so high, most companies don't repatriate those profits.

Republicans also spend like drunken sailors, but at least they're pro-growth. They understand the best way to get growth is to get the h*** out of the way of the free enterprise system. They don't always do that, but they have a much better batting average that the Dems.

I have not seen such an anti-success, anti-business, anti-industry, anti-wealth, anti-individual President in my lifetime, and I pray this country never will again. Remember how he compared himself to a blank canvas in 2008 - paint what you want to see? What if he had done his "You didn't build that" rant in '08?

So for all that, I credit him and his willing accomplices for 87.7% of the current mess, but only because I'm cutting him some slack.

Barack Obama's Presidency is Jimmy Carter's second term.

[Mitchell]

As a Canadian the US election wont really effect me. It might effect me but in a way I wont notice. I will say I had high hopes for Obama when he first ran for ellection because he seemed to say all the right things. He commented on bringing the troups home (which effected Canadians) and also mentioned working on the US debt and making health care the same for Americans as it is for Canadians (atleast I think he mentioned that, it was a while ago when he ran though). In the 4 years he has been in office I havent really seen any of things he promised. I guess it is like that with all politics, I remember in high school they candidate for school president promissed an ATM on campus, but like Obama it was an empty promise.

[G Stone]

Originally Posted by reframmellator

Barack Obama's Presidency is Jimmy Carter's second term.

Which is still better than both of Ronald Reagan's term's.

[reframmellator]

Originally Posted by G Stone

Which is still better than both of Ronald Reagan's term's.

One of the great things about America is that everyone has the right to be wrong. . . .

The people present Exhibit A above and rest, Your Honor.

[G Stone]

Originally Posted by reframmellator

One of the great things about America is that everyone has the right to be wrong. . . .

The people present Exhibit A above and rest, Your Honor.

I know I must have cut open a vein but the truth hurts my friend. Once you accept it, it will set you free. May God be with you.

[The Pope]

No matter which camp you're in, play nice.

[stevencrosbie]

Originally Posted by reframmellator

One of the great things about America is that everyone has the right to be wrong. . . .

The people present Exhibit A above and rest, Your Honor.

I blame every one of them too.


I'm in the yes category.

[reframmellator]

Originally Posted by G Stone

I know I must have cut open a vein but the truth hurts my friend. Once you accept it, it will set you free. May God be with you.

You sound like Chris Matthews.

Your guy's idea of free, in the words of Paul Ryan, is "a country where everything is free but us."

I hope you're under 30. There is a famous quote mistakenly attributed to Churchill:

?Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any
man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

[stevencrosbie]

According to Churchill, I've been heartless for a long time.


Fine with me. It costs too damn much to "have a heart."

[Honda446]

Originally Posted by HADriver06

......Obama is a fake who's got his chance of running the show... look where we've come to under his leadership?

as a Chrysler dealership employee, I for one still have a JOB. under Romney, he would have let Chrysler DIE, put hundreds of thousands out of work and we all know where THAT would have led. the economy didn't tank overnight and can't be fixed overnight either. Obama was too optimistic in thinking it would be turned around in two terms. this is at least a 10 year program to fix it. anyone that says they can come in and fix it in less time is selling snake oil.

Let's look at Obama's record:

40+ months with 8%+ unemployment ----> A Record high. THIS IS NOT INCLUDING those who are UNDEREMPLOYED or have GIVEN UP looking for work! The numbers will be staggering if we look at those numbers together! Whas has happened to America?!

lets not forget the "unemployable". the layoffs of GM, Chrysler, Ford, etc, have taken a group of workers that simply do NOT want to work and put them on unemployment. these are people that say they can make more money sitting at home than they can actually being a productive member of society because they were WAY overpaid at their previous jobs. unions, while at one time had a purpose, are the problem rather than the solution. too much pay for too little work and the manufacturers hands are tied when they have an unproductive employee that deserves to be terminated.

I don't agree with everything that Obama does, but I know that if Romney had gotten the RNC nomination in 08 and won the election, I would be out of work along with a ton of other Chrysler and GM dealership employees. I have the President to thank for that.....and right now, that's enough for me to keep him in office for another term.

I also know that if Romney is elected and Congress repeals the Affordable Health Care Act (its actual name, NOT "Obamacare"), if I were to lose my job and have to go to work elsewhere, my wife would not have insurance to cover her pre-existing condition, which would cost us only about $6,000/mo in meds. sorry, I don't even make anywhere NEAR that much money, so I'm just guessing my wife would shrivel up and die. thanks Republicans and thanks Romney. just because YOU have all the money in the world doesn't be WE do. maybe YOU don't need insurance for your wife's MS but I DO!

now.....a message to ALL of the candidates: stop all the namecalling and mudslinging. tell us what you will do to fix things and tell us why it will work. in my opinion, there are no quick fixes. the candidates will say anything to get elected.

the American people will believe what they want to believe without any facts. its all how its presented in the media.

you asked: "What has happened to America?! Americans have become too reliant on the media to think for them. the media no longer reports just the facts, but instead has to add their opinon. this is NOT news....this is commentary. the American people need facts given to them, not crap.

the American society has gone to crap and all everyone wants to do it point fingers. we have no one to blame but ourselves......we've become too damn lazy, period.

have a nice day!