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Old 03-04-2008, 06:23 AM
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Window Rattles -FINALLY a Honda FIX!

I've recently rid myself of my rattletrap 03 Accord, but I wanted to point out to everyone the February issue of Honda/Acura Servicenews, linked to in the Factory Direct forum. Honda has apparently FINALLY figured out (after only 5 years) why the windows make all kinds of noises when rolled up all the way but reduce or stop when rolled down just a hair. It has to do with the door weatherstripping moving against the door, and they spell out a fix in Servicenews. If you're still under warranty, take it in! If not, the procedure isn't that hard, you just need some Shin-Etsu grease and "squeak-reducing tape."

Oh heck, I'll just put the address here:
http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SN/a080200.PDF

for the Acura version, change the "a" to "b" in the filename.

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Old 03-04-2008, 06:26 AM
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Wow....finally....good thing to have for current owners.

Too bad it is 5 years to late for you...or any other owner who was fed up with window rattles.
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I'm going next week for this. Why use my own Shin-Etsu grease?

Another rattle off the list....5 others to go...
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:05 AM
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I'm still just amazed at the rattle issues ya'll are having particularly with the 7th gens. None of my prior Accords rattled...one even got smacked from behind and still held its integrity after the repairs and after suffering several hundred watts of stereo pounding for years. Even my 120k mile 4x4 from Isuzu doesn't rattle (which kind of amazes me frankly).

Sorry...not trying to beat the dead horse into the ground. it just seems like such a turn from prior gens. I think I am officially entering the old fart frame of mind and starting to utter phrases like "...don't build them like they used to...".

Best of luck as you continue tying down these loose ends!
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Our 6st gen has no rattle issues.

True statement: "...don't build them like they used to...".
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This is a happy day............it's the ONLY complaint I have about my 2003..........
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5 years to figure this out????

I don't hear rattles in my 6th Gen, but that may be b/c the excessive road noise drowns it out.
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Our 6st gen has no rattle issues.

True statement: "...don't build them like they used to...".
If the BIGGEST thing I have to worry about in my Honda ias a few annoying rattles, that's ok. Because rattles were about 100 on the list of problems on the domestic cars I've owned over the years..............
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Honda = Road Noise
It's always been true and probably always will be with Honda's focus on weight conservation and efficiency. But hey, it's one of the things I know getting the keys and the driveability makes the difference.

As far as comparing to traditional domestic build quality: Yep, it's why I still always have a Honda in the driveway even though I'm griping. Although I'm hopeful on some of these new efforts from GM and Ford.

But rattles...it's something that makes me wonder about what else has been attended to less than I assumed that I can't see. You know, like transmission design...

I know there's not really any data to support it but I still think the stepped up US assembly marked the downturn in a lot of this.

But, getting back to the orgination of this thread: I guess it's good to see Honda sticking with resolutions and providing a fix for an aging problem. Don't hear that kind of thing from Ford (well, unless they're catching on fire).
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It's amazing to me how this is such a widespread problem, yet I have no clue what this issue is about. How is that possible? What variables are present that would make my 2003 rattle free and especially weatherstrip crunch-free?

While I haven't viewed the attached bulletin, I just can't imagine having to smear grease on the doors/weatherstrip religiously to keep my car from driving me nuts. Sounds pathetic.

Maybe they should find out how to build doors that don't squeak/rattle. They could deconstruct a Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Hyundai or even a Kia. I'll bet their doors don't rattle incessantly.

Just weird.
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Maybe they should find out how to build doors that don't squeak/rattle. They could deconstruct a Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Hyundai or even a Kia. I'll bet their doors don't rattle incessantly.
Just weird.
Nissans have "other problems", like a hunger to eat O2 sensors, and bad brakes. Don't get me started on Ford's problems........but they rattle too. Toyota probably is the only one I'd take apart and study how to fix rattles...........
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Nissans have "other problems", like a hunger to eat O2 sensors, and bad brakes. Don't get me started on Ford's problems........but they rattle too. Toyota probably is the only one I'd take apart and study how to fix rattles...........
While we're burning through the automakers here...I'm not so sure Toyota has as many sterling examples as they used to with some of what I've seen on the Camry dashboard controls, etc. Very seemingly cheap and low integrity knobs, materials, etc on recent visit to car show.

Obviously we're seeing the adjustments to attempt staying at a price point with manufacturing costs going up (again I wonder about how much of that is U.S. infused cost increases for production). While the technologies move forward for the engines, drivetrains, etc, it's disapointing to see the material choices degrade in my opinion.
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I just checked out the TSB because when I saw the phrase "Shin-Etsu grease" a past life in the silicones business came back and I said to myself that the silicones industry had solved this problem many years ago. Most door seals are EPDM rubber, a relatively inexpensive and reliable material. The basic seal material, left to itself, will have this sticking effect that causes the rattles (remember how HOT it gets when a car sits in the summer sun for hours on end). Further, the seal itself is prone to weathering over time. So seal coatings were developed. Silicones gave good lubricity but wore quickly. Polyurethanes (PU) gave great wear but tended to be stickier. Looks like Honda has gone the PU route. Here's a blurb from a trade mag, c. 2002:

WHITFORD Plastics is claiming the best of both worlds for its new coating for EPDM automotive weatherstrips. Up to now, manufacturers have used silicone or polyurethane coatings. The lubricating property of silicones provides noise-free sealing but the coatings wear off relatively quickly. Polyurethane coatings on the other hand are tough and long lasting but the seals are noisy.

Even though it looks like the grease is tucked away tidily inside the seal, I'm not wild about that idea from a dirt and crud pickup point of view (over years and years). I wonder if anyone has tried any of the following fixes on the weatherstrip/door frame interface and seen any difference: a premium interior protectant like 303 or Meguiar's, or a car wax on the metal part of the frame. Both of those if they worked at all would require reapplication. The fact that Honda is specifying a tape AND a lube suggests to me that the adhesion issue is persistent and strong enough that it requires both to cure permanently (so to squeak).
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If the BIGGEST thing I have to worry about in my Honda ias a few annoying rattles, that's ok. Because rattles were about 100 on the list of problems on the domestic cars I've owned over the years..............
Honda & Acura <--probably will not buy anything else.

It's OK with me too. Most of my rattles come and go (based on weather) but are fixable. I just need to put time into fixing them (the real annoying part, IMO). I'll fix what I can and deal with the rest.
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I wonder if anyone has tried any of the following fixes on the weatherstrip/door frame interface and seen any difference: a premium interior protectant like 303 or Meguiar's, or a car wax on the metal part of the frame. Both of those if they worked at all would require reapplication. The fact that Honda is specifying a tape AND a lube suggests to me that the adhesion issue is persistent and strong enough that it requires both to cure permanently (so to squeak).

Products like Vinylex / 303 would work but only very temporary. They would wear away quickly and they were susceptible to collecting grime. They also tended to wash away after a good rain. Waxing the metal actually seemed to exacerbate the problem. If the noise is in part coming from *inside* the seal, I could guess that the slicker metal surface would allow the seal to shift on itself much easier. The shin-etsu worked very well, lasted for months at a time, and didn't collect dirt and grime. It was by far the best solution that I had found after horking around with the seals for 5 years (03 and 06 Accords).
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