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How much should a power steering fluid flush cost to perform?

Today, I got my oil changed at a Midas shop for about $21. Not surprisingly, they gave me an estimate for laundry list of preventative maintenance items that they "recommend". Now I know to listen to the owner's manual more than a muffler shop , but that made me curious on what things should cost.

The service guy said that the Power Steering fluid looked slightly dirty. They would charge $115 to flush out and replace the power steering fluid.

Also, he recommended changing the "V-belts" (serpentine?), and radiator hoses. Parts and labor for those items came to about $280 total.

Now I know a shop is in the business to make money, and I'm sure the prices are probably slightly high, if not about equal to a dealership rate.

Strangely enough, I didn't see anything in the owner's manual about changing radiator hoses or the serpentine belt.
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I am kind of curious about the power steering flush as well. I am almost at 50k miles and was thinking about doing it myself if possible, yay or nay?
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Oh god!

Don't use Midas to change Power steering or transmission fluid! (Or anything else!)

They will NOT use Honda fluid, and it is a must that you use Honda fluid in the P/S or the system will leak! (says Honda fluid ONLY on the top of the P/S fluid in the engine bay). The same goes for people with Automatic Transmissions.

The first tune up interval for 2003-2005 Accord 4Cyl (this can be applied to 06-07 models, but they have Maint systems that are designed to tell you when to have each service done.) is at 120k miles or 7 years. Whichever comes first.

The 120k mile service is when the coolant, brake fluid, transmission fluid, power steering fluid, spark plugs and external belts (the ones you can see in the engine bay) along with the water pump should be replaced. Engine timing and idle should be checked/adjusted, however there is no need to adjust the chain, as it is self adjusting. The parking brake should also be adjusted at that time.

Also, look over everything, especially the exhaust, hoses, brakes, CV boots (inner and outer), tires, bushings, lubricate the door hinges, locks, sunroof (if equipped) etc.

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Midas was just trying to make a few bucks. You're fine.

Honda Parts are key to the reliability and performance of your Accord, I would not trust Midas with doing anything other than oil changes and maybe brakes. Find a local Honda specialist in your area (google), or a dealer with reasonable prices that you like.

Kudos to you for researching before letting Midas run off with your money. The 7th gen Accord is a very low maintenance car that should last a very long time. (A member recently traded his 03 in with 240k going strong.)

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Step away from that place.... they are messin' with your brain!

Usually the external belts are replaced at timing belt time.... 100k or so.

As far as the PS fluid. If it's dirty use a turkey baster & take out the old stuff & add new HONDA recommended quality. If you are concerned about "dirt" in it. Squirt it into a clear jar. If it looks fine. just refill with new stuff. If it looks dirty. Fill & empty weekly or so till it looks clean. easy.

FLUSHES are rarely EVER required!

If it ain't broke don't FIX it!!

Keep having the oil changed on a regular basis & enjoy your car!!
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If it ain't broke don't FIX it!!

Keep having the oil changed on a regular basis & enjoy your car!!
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We don't FLUSH anything on mine. When it's time to change a fluid, we empty & add fresh. Flushing can make dirt get INTO the system that you're trying to protect.

So brake systems, it's the same.
Trannies, it's the same.

We change things fairly regularly. Most things, if in doubt...go with 15K, if picky. If not, 30K is fine. That's how they used to service Hondas. I'm sure they only changed it to 105K to keep costs down...not what's good for the car.
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After seeing this thread I looked up the PS fluid change interval in my owner's manual. There isn't one - just an "inspect PS fluid" note. Mine looks clean at 60K miles, but I think I'm going shopping for a turkey baster soon.
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Step away from that place.... they are messin' with your brain!
They are the worst. Go in for an oil change, and they will have you believe you need to replace every fluid in your vehicle, as well as suggest you need new brakes, tires, and a re-built transmission all in 1-hour or less.
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Thanks for the replies.

I've taken multiple cars in there for oil changes over the past few years, and this was the first time they threw me a sales pitch. The mechanic dude looked to be new though. Perhaps they are hurting in this poor economy, and are trying to drum up some extra sales.

Its not the first time I've had a shop try to snooker me into some work. Back when I had my first car ('89 Taurus), Merchant's Tire was doing a simple tire rotation, and recommended a full tie rod end replacement for $800. They tried the fear tactic that it would break at "any moment". I declined and drove the car for an additional 70K miles with no problems before selling it.
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I'm sure it's mostly due to the economy, but unfortunately there way too many greedy people out there even during good times!

My prince has worked with several over the years. He's called them on it before. The higher-ups were down on HIM instead of the liar though. The more they sell the bigger the profit! He hates to see it. Co-workers learn pretty quickly to not be talking about things like that around him!!

Big-O tires is notorious for trying to sell many other repairs when people are in for simple things. Many friends have fallen for it & had 600+ dollars worth of needless work done.

Things like that are one of the reasons that forums are a good thing! Many times we can advise how to check yourself, or whether or not the car's mileage/age would warrant such things, or if it's a fair price, etc. Eventually we may be able to promote more honesty in the world....one shop at a time!!
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I need to stop taking my car there for an oil change, and it sucks because they are one of the few reliable places I trust to change the oil correctly (had a drain plug fall out of a different car after a dealership oil change).

Anyway, out of sheer convenience I had Midas change my oil again yesterday. Again, they tried to sell me a huge laundry list of items, again including the belts and hoses, but this time, a radiator flush, a fuel injector cleaner treatment, fuel breather element, valve adjustments, and more. Total estimate $750

I politely thanked them for the quote, and bolted out of there after paying for just the oil change.

I'd do the job myself, but that filter looks fairly difficult to get my hands on, not to mention, feeling around for the place to reinstall once the old one is off.
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I need to stop taking my car there for an oil change, and it sucks because they are one of the few reliable places I trust to change the oil correctly (had a drain plug fall out of a different car after a dealership oil change).

Anyway, out of sheer convenience I had Midas change my oil again yesterday. Again, they tried to sell me a huge laundry list of items, again including the belts and hoses, but this time, a radiator flush, a fuel injector cleaner treatment, fuel breather element, valve adjustments, and more. Total estimate $750

I politely thanked them for the quote, and bolted out of there after paying for just the oil change.

I'd do the job myself, but that filter looks fairly difficult to get my hands on, not to mention, feeling around for the place to reinstall once the old one is off.
How much does Midas charge anyways?

The three dealers in my area are 35 (27 with coupon off website), 23, and 38 to do oil changes. You should change the trans fluid every 30k, brake fluid every 2-3 years (it should be clear), and the rest you should follow the service schedule. Maybe do the coolant every 60k miles, and use Honda coolant. The manual says to change it at 120k, then 90k thereafter. It does seem kind of long.

Stay away!!!
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How much does Midas charge anyways?

The three dealers in my area are 35 (27 with coupon off website), 23, and 38 to do oil changes. You should change the trans fluid every 30k, brake fluid every 2-3 years (it should be clear), and the rest you should follow the service schedule. Maybe do the coolant every 60k miles, and use Honda coolant. The manual says to change it at 120k, then 90k thereafter. It does seem kind of long.

Stay away!!!

They charge $34.95 walk in, or $19.99 with coupon on the website. This is in MD.

I think that's the kicker. I need to stop using the cheapo coupon. Perhaps the low price comes with the sales pitch. Maybe next time, I'll ask in advance if I can decline the maintenance inspection.
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A shop that keeps trying to upsell unneeded services makes me nervous. If you keep declining they may start to sabotage your car since their so desperate for cash. Then justify it to themselves by saying "oh it was going to go out sooner or later".

A local tv station did a investigative story by unplugging a wire in a minivan causing the cel to go off. They then visited all these shops for the repair diagnosis. One even said the van needed all new wheel bearings. 8 out of the 10 shops tried to scam then. One even charged for a new alternator but kept the old one in.

The minivan was a Ford and was checked out by two dealers beforehand to make sure all other components were fine. When the crooked shops were confronted it sure was FUNNY!
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Why would you want to go to a muffler shop to have your oil changed any way. that like going to a Doctor that specialize in heart trans plants, and having your eyes examined. Just go to your Honda dealer and have all the work done that you can not do or do not want to do. That is what i do and the dealership and i get alone great. most of the time they do not charge me for some things. you scratch my back and i will the same for you type of think.
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