Refilling Transmission Fluid - Drive Accord Honda Forums

Go Back   Drive Accord Honda Forums > Honda Accord Main Forums > The 6th Generation

Drive Honda Accord Forums
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 7 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-27-2009, 07:13 PM
G Stone's Avatar
G Stone G Stone is offline
Greg
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,382
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Refilling Transmission Fluid

I have a Haynes manual and it says when refilling the transmission with fluid, "add new fluid through the dipstick or bolt hole." It states the bolt hole is for the V6 and the dipstick is for the 4 cylinder. Why can't I add fluid through the dipstick on my V6? It seems much easier than running a long piece of hose to the underside of the transmission to the filler bolt. Any reason for this?
__________________
2012 Hyundai Sonata SE Turbo

1999 Honda Accord EX Coupe - SOLD
3.0L V6
166,800 miles
35% Tint
Nokya Hyper Yellow 9006 Headlight Bulbs

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/gstone/accord
https://twitter.com/#!/YacketySax
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2  
Old 07-27-2009, 08:11 PM
Accordriver's Avatar
Accordriver Accordriver is offline
6th Gear
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,678
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
I don't know about 6th gens, but the dipstick hole on a 7th gen is about a 1/4" wide.. much easier to run a tube imo.

But yes, can fill it up through the tube if you like.
__________________
-03 Honda Accord EX V6
-Debadged-17mm sway bar-UR crank pulley-AEM CAI
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 07-27-2009, 08:13 PM
DonutLimo's Avatar
DonutLimo DonutLimo is offline
one wheel drive
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hinesburg, VT
Posts: 455
Thanks: 3
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
the filler bolt is on top of your tranny and says ATF. It's a 17mm I think.
__________________
99 EXV6 Coupe 202k 6spd swap
95 F250 supercab 7.3 4x4 5spd
90 Donut Limo- RIP, for you have served us well
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 07-28-2009, 07:58 AM
G Stone's Avatar
G Stone G Stone is offline
Greg
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,382
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
I will have to look into this more I guess. The Haynes Manual shows a picture of the "manual transaxle" and the drain plug and filler bolt. The filler bolt seems to be right above the drain plug. I'll crawl under the car today and look at it so I know more what I am talking about. I have never drained a transmission so this is uncharted waters for me.
__________________
2012 Hyundai Sonata SE Turbo

1999 Honda Accord EX Coupe - SOLD
3.0L V6
166,800 miles
35% Tint
Nokya Hyper Yellow 9006 Headlight Bulbs

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/gstone/accord
https://twitter.com/#!/YacketySax
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 07-28-2009, 12:39 PM
12153 12153 is offline
banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,170
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
G Stone:

The FILLER bolt is right on top of the tranny. You will need 17mm socket, on a long extension, with either a ratchet or a breaker bar to loosen it. The bolt has an aluminum washer.

The DRAIN bolt is on the lower-left side of the tranny. All you need is a 3/8" drive ratchet or (short) pull handle to loosen it. No socket is required. It also has an aluminum washer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 08-03-2009, 11:06 AM
G Stone's Avatar
G Stone G Stone is offline
Greg
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,382
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
How much should ATX Tranny Fluid cost from Honda? I just picked up my throttle body gaskets a few minutes ago and asked and the parts guy quoted me $9.80 per quart! Damn, that is a ton! I just did a tranny refill on my wife's 05 Mazda6i and bought Castrol for 4.99 per quart. Too bad we can only use Honda fluid. Maybe there are some websites out there that sell it for cheaper?
__________________
2012 Hyundai Sonata SE Turbo

1999 Honda Accord EX Coupe - SOLD
3.0L V6
166,800 miles
35% Tint
Nokya Hyper Yellow 9006 Headlight Bulbs

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/gstone/accord
https://twitter.com/#!/YacketySax
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 08-03-2009, 12:07 PM
cajun's Avatar
cajun cajun is offline
Out of Control
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southeast
Posts: 2,054
Thanks: 7
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Damn. It was $8 last year at my local dealer. There are sites that sell it (including ebay), but if you throw in shipping you won't end up saving much...unless you buy a bunch on the same order.
__________________
2010 PMM Accord LX-P, TSX rear sway, GG lower grille, 35% tint, 50K+
2006 Toyo Sienna LE, 100K+
2002 Accord SE (sold), TL rear sway and upper strut bars
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 08-03-2009, 07:30 PM
12153 12153 is offline
banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,170
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
G Stone:

Unless your car is still under some transmission warranty, you are not required to use Honda Z-1 ATF. YOUR car, YOUR money, YOUR discretion.

Honda Z-1 ATF is a conventional, petroleum oil. And IMCO, it SUX.

My dealer sells Z-1 for about ~$9.75/quart. But WHY use Z-1 when you can substitute a superior, fully-synthetic fluid such as Red Line D4 or AmsOil Universal ATF...for the same/less price?

I recently converted to Red Line D4 ATF. My "B7XA" shifts remarkably smoother, more positively, with very clean, crisp response. Nevermind the advertising hype at Red Line's website. Ask others who actually USE Red Line...such as (Mechanic/DA Moderator) FredSVT about Honda Z-1 versus the fully-synthetic ATFs. THEN you decide what you wanna pour into your gearbox.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9  
Old 08-03-2009, 09:49 PM
G Stone's Avatar
G Stone G Stone is offline
Greg
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,382
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Warden:

Thanks for the input. I was under the assumption that my car HAD to have Honda ATX fluid and that was the only thing it could have in it. I have heard of Redline before and will have to check into it more. The things that I have always heard about synthetic fluids is that they are much thinner than standard fluids and therefor can leak more than the standard fluids. Any truth to this? Also, if I were to put synthetic fluid in would I need to flush out all the old tranny fluid or does synthetic mix in? Just trying to get all the information I can!
__________________
2012 Hyundai Sonata SE Turbo

1999 Honda Accord EX Coupe - SOLD
3.0L V6
166,800 miles
35% Tint
Nokya Hyper Yellow 9006 Headlight Bulbs

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/gstone/accord
https://twitter.com/#!/YacketySax
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10  
Old 08-04-2009, 12:51 PM
12153 12153 is offline
banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,170
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
G Stone:

You are required to use Honda Z-1 if your tranny is under some company warranty. In the case some other ATF is used, HMC will not honor your warranty if you have an issue with the tranny. Otherwise, you are perfectly free to use any brand of ATF as long as it conforms to (or exceeds) manufacturer's specifications.

Fully-synthetic ATF is NOT, per se, "thinner" than conventional, petroleum ATF. In many instances, the viscosity is actually thicker. It will NOT leak any differently than Honda Z-1. Most any synthetic fluid will work perfectly fine with a conventional oil. What you have heard/been told is a fairy tale, just a lotta BS.

Fully-synthetic oils withstand much greater temperature operating ranges, reduce heat, and lubricate far better, by reducing metal-to-metal friction. Decimal point.

I bought 13 (thirteen) quarts of Red Line D4, directly from their website. Cost was $9.95 per quart + shipping.

What I am in the process of doing now is four (4) drain-and-refill procedures to remove most of the Honda Z-1 ATF. Tranny system capacity on the V6 cars is ~7.5 quarts. On a drain, you get about three (3) quarts. After the fourth D&R event, you should (theoretically) have NO Z-1 left in the system. Realistically, maybe 5 percent.

While not mandatory, I would STRONGLY suggest you use the same ATF in your tranny. Consistency in methodology is always a good idea.

I am on my FIRST D&R, with approximately 3 quarts of Red Line in the gearbox. And I have noticed a dramatic improvement in the way my tranny operates.

http://www.redlineoil.com/products_g...p?categoryID=8
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #11  
Old 08-07-2009, 07:23 AM
12153 12153 is offline
banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,170
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
To All:

To CORRECTLY service the ATF in a 4AT, you (else a technician) should perform three (3) tranny drain and refills, driving the car a few miles in between each D&R event. Then, you drain-and-refill a fourth (4th) time.

You do NOT "flush" the transmission. Repeat, with strong emphasis: Do NOT use any kind of "flush" treatment or machine on the transmission!!!

For you 2002 owners, please refer to page 262 in your Owner's Manual.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #12  
Old 08-07-2009, 05:43 PM
nehonda's Avatar
nehonda nehonda is offline
6th Gear
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: US Midwest
Posts: 1,633
Thanks: 2
Thanked 40 Times in 39 Posts
You would actually have 13% Z1 (about a quart) left in your transmission after 4 changes based on 7.5 total capacity and changing 3 quarts each time. That presumes complete mixing between each change. Each change leaves 60% of the old fluid mixture in the transmission. You can never get it all out by partially draining 3 quarts and refilling. It comes down to what level is acceptable. I expect there is adequate compatability between the two fluids so there will be no problems.

Here is the calculation for anyone who cares
1 change 60% old fluid 4.5 qts
2 changes 36% old fluid 2.7 qts
3 changes 22% old fluid 1.6 qts
4 changes 13% old fluid 0.97 qts
5 changes 8% old fluid 0.58 qts
6 changes 5% old fluid 0.35 qts
__________________
2000 Accord SE I4 F23A1 Auto - Sold @174k miles & 10 years ownership
1998 Accord LX I4 F23A1 5 speed - sons DD in DC
1987 Accord LX 5 spd Owned for 17 years sold @155k
1986 Accord LX Auto Totaled @137k miles
1983 Accord LX 5 spd My Second Accord traded in
1978 Accord LX 5 spd My First Accord sold @ 100k
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #13  
Old 08-10-2009, 09:13 PM
G Stone's Avatar
G Stone G Stone is offline
Greg
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,382
Thanks: 31
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
So this evening I decided to crawl underneath the car to take a look at where the transmission drain plug and filler plug were. I believe I located the drain plug and I am wondering what do I use to get it off? It says in the Haynes manual to use a 3/8 inch drive ratchet. What is a drive ratchet?

I know that the filler plug is located above the drain plug but the Haynes manual doesn't give an accurate description or picture of where it is. There are so many bolts on the transmission that I want to make sure I am unscrewing the right one. I took some pictures. The first one is what I believe to be the drain plug. The second one is what I think might be the filler plug. (It is above one of the frame braces that runs across the transmission) To be honest, I really don't know where it is. haha. Any input/advice is much appreciated!!
__________________
2012 Hyundai Sonata SE Turbo

1999 Honda Accord EX Coupe - SOLD
3.0L V6
166,800 miles
35% Tint
Nokya Hyper Yellow 9006 Headlight Bulbs

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/gstone/accord
https://twitter.com/#!/YacketySax
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #14  
Old 08-11-2009, 05:27 AM
Accordlover's Avatar
Accordlover Accordlover is offline
banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Austin Texas!
Posts: 6,435
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post
Send a message via AIM to Accordlover
FYI - the owners manual shows where the drain bolt is. Look at the maint section.

You have pretty low miles on your Accord, if your tranny went out now and you could prove (receipts for honda atf) you changed the fluid at the points it is required to be changed according to the service schedule, I would imagine honda would replace or help you replace it. Mine went at 94.5K and they paid for it. If you don't use the Honda ATF then forget about that possiblility, they'll just blame it on improper fluid usage.

I wouldn't risk it until 120k maybe, since I'd think that's around the time you'd be sol if something happened. Just my $.02.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #15  
Old 08-11-2009, 05:59 AM
cajun's Avatar
cajun cajun is offline
Out of Control
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southeast
Posts: 2,054
Thanks: 7
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by G Stone View Post
It says in the Haynes manual to use a 3/8 inch drive ratchet. What is a drive ratchet?
Drive ratchet = socket wrench. In this case you would put a 3/8 socket wrench (with no socket) in the plug.
__________________
2010 PMM Accord LX-P, TSX rear sway, GG lower grille, 35% tint, 50K+
2006 Toyo Sienna LE, 100K+
2002 Accord SE (sold), TL rear sway and upper strut bars
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Drive Accord Honda Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
The answer to the random question may be found under the Off Topic section of the forums and in the "Drive Accord Forums" category.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:37 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.