E-15: Fuel that will Ruin your Engine

[GradyPhilpott]

Well, that's what the auto industry says, including Honda.

The EPA says the stuff is safe for cars made after 2001. Honda says, "No way."

So, what will you do, if the government demands that E-15 is all you can get at your service station.

The questions about ethanol arise after Congress first mandated it in 2007. Ninety-six percent of gasoline sold in the U.S. is now 10 percent ethanol, a high-octane fuel derived from corn. But under that bill and rules favored by the Environmental Protection Agency, refiners are now being forced to blend up to 15 percent ethanol into gasoline sold at stations around the U.S.

The auto industry, though, says E-15 -- as the blend is known -- corrodes pumps, fuel lines and injectors. And manufacturers say they won't cover damages caused by the higher blend.

The American Automobile Association agrees.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...#ixzz2SfwH4UK8

[MADART]

****s the big one doesn't it?

They tried pushing 15% ethanol over here in Australia and the motoring groups and manufacturers raised such a stink over it the government abandoned it. The liability of claims against first manufacturers and secondly against the government itself were too scary for them

Maximum ethanol in fuel here is 10%, and that's at a separate pump. Standard unleaded (91 octane) premium unleaded (95) and the ultras (98+) are guaranteed to have no ethanol.

Lets hope you guys have a groundswell against this.

Ever seen what even 10% ethanol does to plastic bike tanks? Ducati have had major liabilities and recalls in the US already over this.

[redhat]

I was also reading about this.

In the FAQ about E15 on the EPA website, it seems as if they consider 100,000 to 120,000 miles on a light-duty vehicle "full usable life".

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/a...15/e15-faq.htm

[Styles]

Conspiracy with automakers to make your cars obsolete, forcing you to buy new ones?

I already have to buy additives to put with my mowers. That stuffs hell on small engines.

[jimnfor]

15% ethanol has been used in cars in Brazil for over 10yrs with no verifiable damage done whatsoever. Cars sold in Brazil also meet the same US standards on emissions/mpg etc.

IMO, all hype, on both sides. Opportunity for lobbyists to throw money everywhere, "it's good" , "it's bad" blah blah blah. Again, my opinion only.







oh yeah, eggs are bad for you too

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by jimnfor

IMO, all hype, on both sides. Opportunity for lobbyists to throw money everywhere, "it's good" , "it's bad" blah blah blah. Again, my opinion only.

Well, for myself, I'm all for renewable fuels and a 10% blend is just about all you can get here in NM during certain months and it does seem that through five cars in the last 14 years there's never been an issue that I'm aware of.

However, we have the EPA and Renewable Fuels Association on one side and the automobile industry, the AAA, and the oil companies on the other.

I've also been keeping an eye on the green initiatives and their proponents for quite sometime and frankly, I don't think there's an ounce of integrity in that whole movement.

Get the issue down to nuts and bolt and it's really Honda against the greens and since Honda warrants my engine, my money's with Honda.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/e15.asp

http://www.ethanolrfa.org/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...t-e15-15096134

http://www.iowacorn.org/en/ethanol/e15_and_e85/

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/a...15/e15-faq.htm

http://www.cspnet.com/news/fuels/art...15-todays-mtbe

[bgmshrm]

bio fuels make sense in most areas. ethanol doesn't

[povy]

At the shop we order 100% gasoline about every month. And the truck driver that delivers it constantly thanks us for getting the pure gas and not the blend. He says it (E-10) destroys his seals and he's had major issues with his pumps and seals leaking with only a few tanks of the Ethanol blends.