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I've been working on my audio project, and a part of that was to treat the doors to reduce road noise. The overall noisiness of the Accord has always bothered me whether it's wind noise on the highway or just general road noise driving through town. I figured since I was going to spend a bunch of dollars on a nice audio system, I'd spend a few more to reduce outside noise infiltration. The general philosophy behind the methods I used can been seen at sounddeadenershowdown.com. Note: I didn't use that guy's products, I found everything else cheaper elsewhere, but his website has a wealth of useful information.

This obviously isn't in the factory service manual, so do this to your car at your own risk.

Materials:

Fat Mat by Mega Mat (note this is a butyl product, not asphalt)
Pella Smartflash window/door flashing tape (essentially the same thing as the Fat Mat, only thinner (and much much cheaper)
roll of Aluminum Roof Flashing
roll of Mass Loaded Vinyl

Step one: remove the door card. See the sticky in this forum for instructions.

This is what you'll find:
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Step two: cut off the factory vapor barrier. Mine was held on with a foam type adhesive and it wasn't necessary to remove every bit of it. If you have butyl adhesive on yours, you might want to clean it off.
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Now we have access to the outer door skin to apply some dampener. I did about 25% coverage give or take. Use a small wooden roller to make sure it's stuck on good, as air bubbles will reduce it's effectiveness. Also, expect to get grease from the window mechanism on your hand/arm/sleeves when your reach into those holes.

I cut 6" wide strips to fit in between the crash bars.
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Now, for several reasons, we have to seal those access holes up. First, the factory vapor barrier was there for a reason, to keep water out of the car. Second, those big holes let a lot of noise in the car. Third, the holes reduce the sound quality of the door mounted speaker.

Take some copy/printer paper and make templates for the covers you're going to make for the access holes.

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Lay out your templates on the aluminum flashing and trace with a sharpie.

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Then cut them out with tin snips. Be careful, the edges are VERY sharp. Hold them up to the door to check for fit. Mark the inside. Also, mark if you have to make additional cuts to allow for wires passing from the inner to outer door.

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The aluminum is going to be somewhat flimsy and very resonate. This is where the Pella Smartflash comes in, I got this stuff at Lowes. It was the only flashing product that had both the aluminum face and butyl adhesive (i.e. same basic stuff as the dampener). I could have used my dampener for this purpose, but the flashing tape is much cheaper per sq ft. Also, since it's specifically made for flashing doors/windows I know that it will prevent water infiltration.
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Basically, you want to cover the back(out)side of the cover. After it's applied the aluminum will not resonate at all. Note: where I cut for the wire to pass through, I added extra tape around the edges to prevent the wire from rubbing and possibly fraying.
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Now to cover the holes. I simply taped the patches on with more flashing tape. Once this stuff bonds, it's on forever - so no worries about it coming off in the door.

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For the sake of overkill, I taped the field too to prevent any chance of resonation.
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All three access holes covered:

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You can just use pieces of the flashing tape to cover all the small holes. Make sure you do not cover over any of the holes for the door card clips.

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Add dampener as needed to kill any remaining panel resonations.

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The front door cards on the Accord have these foam blocks on them.

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The factory vapor barrier had a pocket to accommodate these, but now that we're got the access holes sealed over, they've got to go. Carefully cut off the "ears" with a razor to remove the block.

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Now add dampener as needed to kill any resonation in the door card. You can also get rid of the foam remnants

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The window switches were buzzing like crazy with the new speakers, so I added some dampener on them as well.

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Now the last step is the get your MLV on the door. I found it's easiest to hang it on the door before you reinstall the card. I used a combination of the clips that were holding on the vapor barrier and some strips of velcro. Once the door card is on, it will be held in place with pressure. Take your time to make sure it's properly trimmed as it's a PITA when you get the wires and the door handle cable hooked up only to find you need to trim the MLV a bit. Don't ask me how I know this. This picture was taken before trimming was complete (notice the door handle cable isn't through yet)

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Now put the door card back on. I also put a piece of MLV behind the sail panel.

Conclusion:

Were the materials expensive? Yes.
Did this take a lot of time? Yes - 2 hours per door.
Was it worth it? Ab-so-freaking-lutely.

Road noise in the car has greatly been reduced. If I close my eyes (yeah I know, bad idea to close your eyes while driving :)) it's almost like I'm driving a Lexus or a Benz, it's that quiet.

Before I started, I mainly noticed road noise in two places - the front doors and the rear wheel wells. Since the completion of this project, I no longer hear it in those spots ( I also completely did the trunk). The only major source of "outside" noise now is engine noise on acceleration, and that I can live with.
 
I am shocked you were able to get the mlv on the entire door. I bought mlv and the foam from sound deadener last fall, but, I could not get the door panel back on to my car under any circumstance with the mlv at 100% coverage. I had to keep cutting and cutting it, until I only had coverage along the bottom third of the panel.

When it gets warmer out, I'm gonna get some fat mat type material and use that instead. It's much thinner then mlv and looks to be much easier to maneuver.
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
How thick was your MLV? Mine's about an 1/8" thick. I initially tried to get some CCF in there too, but there wasn't any room for that at all.

I found that you have to keep the MLV about an inch or so from the top so the lip of the door card can slip over by the window opening.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
I forgot to mention that on the rear doors of my sedan (7th gen), the cup holders that are molded into the door card require a slight recess into the access hole that's behind it. Keep that in mind when you're putting your patch over it and just bend it in a bit so the cup holder can be accommodated.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
Sure,

MLV from "auburndarter" on ebay
CCF from the foam factory
Dampener was Mega Mat, bought on Amazon ( I only bought 25sf and it was enough, but they don't seem to have it on amazon anymore, maybe try their website? )
Aluminum roof flashing from Lowes, Home Depot also has this.
Pella SmartFlash also from Lowes, Home Depot does NOT have this, but your local building supply company or any other place that sells windows may.
 
nice write-up. Sticky-worthy material
 
Sure,

MLV from "auburndarter" on ebay
CCF from the foam factory
Dampener was Mega Mat, bought on Amazon ( I only bought 25sf and it was enough, but they don't seem to have it on amazon anymore, maybe try their website? )
Aluminum roof flashing from Lowes, Home Depot also has this.
Pella SmartFlash also from Lowes, Home Depot does NOT have this, but your local building supply company or any other place that sells windows may.
Thanks for the links. I won't get the CCF because you didn't have space for it either. Where was it gonna go anyway? Since I have a coupe, 25 sq. ft might be too much so I'll probably go with this door kit:

http://www.fatmat.com/kits/fatmat/door.html

and double up on the extra two sheets.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Sorry, I mainly used the CCF for rattles related to the new audio system, not road noise.

That Fatmat product you linked to is asphalt based which is not preferable due to melting in the summer and bad odors. The only product that company makes that is butyl based is their "MegaMat".
 
just wondering why you used aluminum flashing over the holes, vs just putting sound dampener over it? Will using the megamat over the holes, and then the mlv over it, not something that would be good enough?

Also what do you think of http://smittymats.com/sell/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2

vs the mega mat you use? Smittymat has some built in ccf and then some deadener on the back, so wouldn't that make it better overall?
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
just wondering why you used aluminum flashing over the holes, vs just putting sound dampener over it? Will using the megamat over the holes, and then the mlv over it, not something that would be good enough?
Because of the size of the access holes, I felt that just a layer of deadener wouldn't be ridged enough. If I was just weatherproofing, than sure that might be enough, but the main goal was to try and seal up the holes to allow for maximum midbass production from the door woofers, so rigidity is the key.


Also what do you think of http://smittymats.com/sell/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=2

vs the mega mat you use? Smittymat has some built in ccf and then some deadener on the back, so wouldn't that make it better overall?
Looking at that site, the smittymat seems to be a worthless POS. The goal of the mega mat/any other butyl based dampener is to cancel out panel resonations. Based on my research, CCF does nothing in that respect - and since the smittymat appears to be nothing more than a very thin layer of CCF with some foil backing, I doubt it does anything at all.
 
Thank you theWatsui for the write up! I just tackled this project over the past week along with my audio install and the DIY was a great help for getting my doors done. I also used ebay seller "auburndarter" to buy the MLV. It was the cheapest place I could find even with the shipping being $45 for a total of about $90 IIRC. A few places locally would sell me large rolls but the cheapest I could find it was $130 or more. When the MLV came in I was a bit suprised by how big and extremely heavy the roll was, so be prepared if you order it. I did the front doors and the trunk so far and have more than enough left to do my rear doors and then my dads CRV as well.
 
hey man thanks for the write up. can you possibly show us how you got the door panels off?
 
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