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post #61 of 98 Old 04-12-2019, 04:27 AM
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I love driving manual stick shifts. I've driven stick all my life, except my current two cars (wife doesn't car for manual).
Depends on the city you live in. If crazy traffic, get an auto. If small City, enjoy manual. Having said that, the automatic transmissions now are so quick to change that they're up there with the stick.
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I was young once. As I approached driving age in the early 1980's, I'd see a cool car on the street. I wouldn't drool until I peaked into it, and saw the manual shift lever. I took my driving test in a manual, my oldest son did as well. When my second son went for his test, they told us that NJ no longer allows the driving test to be done in a manual transmission car.

When I was growing up, the choices were pretty much 3 speed auto or 5 speed manual. That's a no-brainer for me, I'll take the manual.

Then they went to 4 speed automatics. I said, ok, I'll bite and bought one. The 5 speed manuals still had a clear advantage, and I grew to regret my decision.

The number of gears kept growing on the automatics to the point where you get more gears, faster acceleration and better gas mileage in many (most?) automatic cars over their (increasingly fewer) manual counterparts.

I've been driving an Automatic V6 accord sedan for the past 4 years, and I really enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, if they offered a V6 Sedan with a manual, I'd have been all over it. On occasion, I almost wish I'd had gotten the coupe just to get the manual. But clearly the argument will favor the automatic for most people. For me though, my regret for driving an automatic car is still there, but it is not as much as it was long ago.

Why would I favor a manual, now that the technology in the automatics is so much more advanced?

1. I always found that a properly driven manual car will outlast a properly driven automatic. I don't know this for a fact, but I just feel that going to the next gear and having the rpm's forced downward while your foot is on the accelerator (which is what happens in an automatic) is just not good for the drivetrain.

2. Although an automatic can outshift me driving a manual, I still value being able to control what gear I'm in and when the transmission is going to shift. When you're driving a manual, there is no need to flip a switch for sport mode, eco mode or comfort mode, because it's all you, all the time.

3. As one other post above says, it gives me something to do while I'm driving, which keeps me more alert. Also, you need to keep one hand on the wheel, while having the other ready to shift as needed. So even if the thought comes to mind to take out my phone - its really impractical.

4. I think one is more attuned to the overall mechanical condition of one's car when driving a manual. If something is amiss, I'm more likely to feel it somehow.

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Thank you for your entirely subjective and personal opinion

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2.0T with the 10 speed is a great combination of gas mileage and power. Why row your own unless you live on a mountain road and can actually enjoy it - I can smoke any manual out there with ease.

All the arguments for manuals are disappearing unless you are tracking the car, and even that will be gone before long. A GT3 with a manual on a mountain road is fun, just about everywhere else it no longer makes sense
It still makes perfect sense. For someone looking to impress people with how fast or smooth their car drives, maybe not, but for someone looking for a vehicle that requires minimal maintenance at minimal cost, it is still a great solution. How much does it cost to change ATF/CVT fluid? How long does it take to get the job done? I can tell you that an MTF change takes about 5 minutes and costs me less than $20 using Honda branded fluids. I have to do it roughly every 75k-100k miles and I don't even need to lift the car to get it done. Because I'm shifting it myself, I know the general condition of my clutch, and can tell that I have a long life ahead for this vehicle. When buying a used one, it is fairly easy to identify a problem by feel. There is no limp mode in the event of an electronic failure, it either drives or it doesn't. I can pop the clutch if the battery is dead or the starter fails.

The MT makes perfect sense to me and people like me. I know I'm a minority in the car buyer market, and I know that the AT/CVT of today offers fantastic performance and efficiency, but that is not enough to make me choose one over the MT. I will continue to drive manual until it is either no longer available, or I get old enough to develop joint issues that would prevent me from driving it comfortably.

You go ahead and enjoy your 2.0 CVT, I hope it brings you joy, but just remember and respect that not everyone shares your opinion.
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Real men are confident enough to let a machine change the gears for them.

Real men don't do everything. By virtue of their natural leadership they are judicious delegators and delegating gear shifting to a machine is natural.

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real men live and let live to a certain degree, and don't worry too much about what other men and women are driving

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Also, you need to keep one hand on the wheel, while having the other ready to shift as needed
do you tho

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the idea of “having to pay more attention” when driving stick is interesting because tbh the only difference i’ve noticed between driving manual vs automatic is i keep trying to push in a clutch pedal that isn’t there when coming to a stop

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do you tho

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the idea of “having to pay more attention” when driving stick is interesting because tbh the only difference i’ve noticed between driving manual vs automatic is i keep trying to push in a clutch pedal that isn’t there when coming to a stop
And when you turn the key, can't forget that awkward stomp into an empty footwell
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the idea of “having to pay more attention” when driving stick is interesting because tbh the only difference i’ve noticed between driving manual vs automatic is i keep trying to push in a clutch pedal that isn’t there when coming to a stop
When sitting next to a driver of a manual transmission car, ask the driver to tell you what gear the selector is in. No thought involved in the answer, he/she knows. Can the same be said for an automatic driver? Unless I’m on the highway, I have no idea what my gear my auto tranny is in. When you know what gear you are in, you have a better idea of what speed you are going too. Perhaps “more aware” is a better term than “having to pay more attention”.

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And when you turn the key, can't forget that awkward stomp into an empty footwell
gotta test the strength of the dead pedal tbh

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When sitting next to a driver of a manual transmission car, ask the driver to tell you what gear the selector is in. No thought involved in the answer, he/she knows. Can the same be said for an automatic driver? Unless I’m on the highway, I have no idea what my gear my auto tranny is in. When you know what gear you are in, you have a better idea of what speed you are going too. Perhaps “more aware” is a better term than “having to pay more attention”.
edit: removed because i am having A Day and didn’t realize you meant like... in the same car

also the only time i pay attention to what speed i’m going is if there’s a cop behind me or i see one on the side of the road ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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For some reason the manual I had in my '86 Accord LXi hatchback didn't excite me as much as the manual my '69 427 Vette.........Remember folks, it's only an Accord. LOL
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2.0T with the 10 speed is a great combination of gas mileage and power. Why row your own unless you live on a mountain road and can actually enjoy it - I can smoke any manual out there with ease.

All the arguments for manuals are disappearing unless you are tracking the car, and even that will be gone before long. A GT3 with a manual on a mountain road is fun, just about everywhere else it no longer makes sense
What was this? I couldn't tell if he was serious or trying to provoke a discussion. By having to state he could smoke another car pretty much proved he was insecure. And didn't he have an SS Camaro? Weird kid.

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For some reason the manual I had in my '86 Accord LXi hatchback didn't excite me as much as the manual my '69 427 Vette.........Remember folks, it's only an Accord. LOL
That LX-i Accord would excite me as much or more than a Corvette, but that’s me.

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If you feel that your masculinity is defined by a stick shift, or a pickup truck, you have a problem. The definition of real men is far from a stick shift.
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That LX-i Accord would excite me as much or more than a Corvette, but that’s me.
I fully understand, the torque of a big block is something that not everyone has experienced.
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If you feel that your masculinity is defined by a stick shift, or a pickup truck, you have a problem. The definition of real men is far from a stick shift.
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I used to care more, but now I am more just whatever. It's your car, pick whatever floats your boat.

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Real men are confident enough to let a machine change the gears for them.

Real men don't do everything. By virtue of their natural leadership they are judicious delegators and delegating gear shifting to a machine is natural.

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You confuse confidence with comfort, and the cultural fetish with multi-tasking while driving a car.

Older folks and disabled persons might be physically unable to use a manual shift, but most drivers want automatics because it's convenient for lazy people and distracted drivers. Parents with a load of screaming kids used to be the worst offenders, now it's the ever-growing army of idiots looking at cell phones instead of traffic.

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