[14AccordLX]

Below is the oil analysis from the first oil change on my 2014 Honda Accord LX. The engine is the 2.4L (K24W1) 4 Cyliner engine. The oil was changed at 3,702 miles. Typical engine break in takes no longer than 2,000 miles so this is more than adequate mileage. Oil was replaced with Geniune Honda filter and 5 quarts of 0W-20 Honda Genuine Ultimate Full Synthetic. Each quart was shaken to ensure proper mix of additive package.

*it is important to state that the K24W1 engine takes 4.8-5 quarts when allowed to drain. This is verified by the max fill mark on the dipstick.

Notes:

1. The engine was always allowed to warm up until temperature gauge was in the normal operating range before being driven. (we had some extreme cold in Northern Illinois so I wanted to ensure proper curing of seals and lubrication)

2. Driving was 55% highway and 45% city / stop and go. This is the norm with my 82 mile round trip to work.

3. Engine experienced a variety of engine speeds. Generally no more than 2,300 RPM is needed for normal acceleration or about 95% of the time. For break in engine speeds did reach 3,500-4,500 RPM about 4% of the time and this was after 750 miles. Engine for break in did experience a few full throttle applications <1% of the time but engine speed did not exceed 6,750 RPM and again this was after 750 miles.

4. No additonal engine oil was added during the duration. Before changing engine oil was down approximately 2/10ths of a quart. Oil use is normal during engine break in.

 

[MartyV6]

So can you translate and summarize these findings? Basically you changed the oil earlier than the MM called for, and found that the old oil was perfect? I don't really know how to read that report but it appears to be a "normal" diagnosis

 

[II Kings 9:20]

Looks like high silicon and a "caution". Not sure what you did "wrong" to cause this or what you can do right next time to correct it.

I had oil analysis and had it done on my 300C with normal results but when something is abnormal on a brand new car, what do you do?

 

[MartyV6]

OP, are you an engineer or just OCD? I am chuckling at some of your quotes such as "I shook each bottle to ensure proper mixing of additive package" and "break in engine speeds reached 3500-4500 about FOUR PERCENT (not 3, and not 5!) of the time.

I guess nothing wrong with shaking the oil, but doesnt the additive package stay in suspension? I mean if it didn't, does that mean that all the additives settle to the bottom of the oil pan if I don't drive my car for a few days?

 

[andaheart]

Might be worth OPs time to post to Bobistheoilguy forum...

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[Fernickle]

I think this kind of report is useless without an initial analysis. High silicone means what? Nothing because it may have had high silicone from the start. Of course you can say, "Well if x and y happened silicone levels would increase". But anyone making bet's on if's may have a compulsive gambling problem.

I do however find the oil analysis to be extremely interesting. To me though, I have never seen an exactly consistent manufacturing process, for oil or other products.

On a side note, I have been wide opened throttled at least 50 times in the first 1200 miles of my car, as well do a good 10% of my driving between 3-5K rpm's when I am having fun also in the first 1200 miles of my car. I am a believer that the car should come ready to be driven from the factory. They already have a rev limiter on the car that cuts fuel off at red line, if going up to the limit can cause damage then the limit should be reduced.

 

[awng]

I believe that these initial tests are to establish baseline results. Given the comment about high silicon it is assumed that OP should see these numbers decrease as time goes on due to engine wear inherent during the supposed "break-in".

On a side note, I have been wide opened throttled at least 50 times in the first 1200 miles of my car, as well do a good 10% of my driving between 3-5K rpm's when I am having fun also in the first 1200 miles of my car. I am a believer that the car should come ready to be driven from the factory. They already have a rev limiter on the car that cuts fuel off at red line, if going up to the limit can cause damage then the limit should be reduced.

It's certainly not gospel but more of a best practice I believe. Considering your car was run on a dynamometer at the factory it's already been redlined...


OP, thanks for the info, the k24 has proven itself to be quite reliable not only in practice but through oil analysis.

 

[DieselGuy]

By the way, are you an engineer or just OCD? I am chuckling at some of your quotes such as "I shook each bottle to ensure proper mixing of additive package" and "break in engine speeds reached 3500-4500 about FOUR PERCENT (not 3, and not 5!) of the time.

I guess nothing wrong with shaking the oil, but doesnt the additive package stay in suspension? I mean if it didn't, does that mean that all the additives settle to the bottom of the oil pan if I don't drive my car for a few days?

I second that. Also, idling the engine until it's fully warmed up is an incredible waste of fuel, especially in cold weather. The engine will not explode if you just drive it, you know. And it will warm up much quicker too.

I was especially curious about fuel dilution, given that this engine is directly injected. But it's hard to tell with such a low-mileage sample. I didn't change my initial oil until 10K miles (just as the maintenance minder was telling me to) and noticed significant odor during the oil change. I'll probably analyze my next sample.

 

[RickBlaine]

Did anyone catch the explanation for the higher than normal silicone? Second sentence under DIAGNOSIS.

Nothing to see here....move along.....all is normal.

 

[MartyV6]

Did anyone catch the explanation for the higher than normal silicone? Second sentence under DIAGNOSIS.

Nothing to see here....move along.....all is normal.

Except for the settled additive package.....:yes:

 

[lebowski]

What caught my eye, but what also doesn't surprise me, is that the factory fill additive pack looks no different than any number of off the shelf oils. The analysis confirms that there's nothing magical about the honda "break in" oil.

It's also nice to see that fuel dilution isn't a problem in these DI engines. I'd be interested to see the next analysis results.

 

[14AccordLX]

Did anyone catch the explanation for the higher than normal silicone? Second sentence under DIAGNOSIS.

Nothing to see here....move along.....all is normal.

Attention to details is important. I figured I should run it more like a science experiment so everyone had an idea how I drove the car. Unfortunately the Honda community is not as passionate about the break in results as what I found in the Chargerforums. There you will find endless analysis.

Except for the settled additive package.....:yes:

In tribology class we learn that a PAO (polyalphaolefin) or mostly group IV or group IV base stock oil has a smaller molecular structure which does not allow it to hold all of its additive package in suspense. Honda's additive package could be stronger but given it is a very stout engine it may not be necessary.

By the way, are you an engineer or just OCD? I am chuckling at some of your quotes such as "I shook each bottle to ensure proper mixing of additive package" and "break in engine speeds reached 3500-4500 about FOUR PERCENT (not 3, and not 5!) of the time.

I guess nothing wrong with shaking the oil, but doesnt the additive package stay in suspension? I mean if it didn't, does that mean that all the additives settle to the bottom of the oil pan if I don't drive my car for a few days?

Go ahead and chuckle. lol. Not an engineer but college did teach a different form of thinking. Years ago various motor oil bottles said shake well right on the back of the bottle (Mobil 1). This was due to the heavier additive packages dropped to the bottom of the bottle. These additive packages have changed greatly due to the EPA and luckily advances in manufacturing. Just been a habit and will create a base on which to measure results against later.

I second that. Also, idling the engine until it's fully warmed up is an incredible waste of fuel, especially in cold weather. The engine will not explode if you just drive it, you know. And it will warm up much quicker too.

I was especially curious about fuel dilution, given that this engine is directly injected. But it's hard to tell with such a low-mileage sample. I didn't change my initial oil until 10K miles (just as the maintenance minder was telling me to) and noticed significant odor during the oil change. I'll probably analyze my next sample.

Nothing wrong with using remote start. During extreme cold the oil filter bypass valve opens since the thickness of the oil is too great to filter. Driving in this situation just pulls a lot of the garbage from the filter and is thrown back into the system. I figured at least warm it up until the oil is changed.

 

[MartyV6]

Attention to details is important. I figured I should run it more like a science experiment so everyone had an idea how I drove the car. Unfortunately the Honda community is not as passionate about the break in results as what I found in the Chargerforums. There you will find endless analysis.

I know those guys on Chargerforum are really into their break in oils

 

[kevinb91]

I floored my Accord out of the showroom to my house. Break in periods arent real...

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[Flyboy]

Why change the oil at such low mileage? If Honda's engineers thought that the oil needed to be changed after the "break in period" they would have programmed the maintenance minder to indicate an early oil change. So, what do the results of the analysis mean? Does this report indicate premature engine wear? What's the meaning of the high silicone level?

Every Honda I have owned has never had an engine problem and I have driven them all about 100,000 mikes or more. Also, I have never had the old oil analyzed and I changed the oil when the recommended milage was reached.

 

[RickBlaine]

@14AccordLX:

Thank you for posting the results of your analysis, as you said you would a couple weeks back. It shows some interesting, if "boring" results. What is good is that all is well, and that in your next analysis you probably won't have higher than normal silicone levels. Silicone levels are high because when a silicone gasket first makes contact with an oil, some of the silicone will impart itself onto the oil. These impurities are normal, and will not show up in the second analysis.

BTW, you got to learn the "multi-quote feature" here....basically, if you want to respond to several different posts, do the following:

Click the little "quote symbol", to the right of the button marked "quote". Do that for each post you want to reply to. At the last post you want to quote, simply click the actual "quote" button. Now all of the individual posts you wanted to quote will be in one post for you to respond to.

I know Charger peeps are passionate- so are Accord peeps. But like I said, these engines are pretty much bullet-proof. Funny, but Honda engines are like Chrysler's old slant six 225 cu. in. As long as oil was there, they kept running. Saw a slant six-powered water pump in Angola a few years ago....

Again, thank you for posting.

 

[MartyV6]

Methinks that 14AccordLX will likely be sending every one of his oil change samples off to the lab for analysis

 

[lebowski]

Methinks that 14AccordLX will likely be sending every one of his oil change samples off to the lab for analysis

If he does so I hope he posts them here, and if not here at BITOG where folks are interested in oil analysis results.

 

[MartyV6]

If he does so I hope he posts them here, and if not here at BITOG where folks are interested in oil analysis results.

What is the best/cheapest oil analysis place? If it's not expensive I might do it on my next Odyssey oil change just for fun.

 

[LAF]

This is the fist one for Fooks sake. It will be the base on all further ones. All this crap over this and that, lets see what the next one or the one after that looks like then we can have a discussion.

OP thank you for sharing.