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I shared in the ”Where Did You Go With Your Accord Today” thread that after many years of faithful service, I sold my 2012 Accord coupe (final odometer reading 228,026) and bought a 2020 Acura TLX V6 SH-AWD with the Technology Package. After about two weeks of ownership, I thought I’d offer a few thoughts on the car.

The Accord was a great car, but years of driving on crumbling northeastern US roads, through winters full of snow, sleet, road salt, and brine, were taking their toll. The engine and transmission were still strong, but a lot of other stuff was starting to deteriorate. I decided to make the switch - I found this 2020 TLX on the lot of a local dealer. It had 18,000 miles on it, and was in good condition. One test drive, and I was hooked.


The interior was in immaculate condition. Not a single scratch, rip, or tear anywhere I could see. The seats are easily the most comfortable car seats I’ve ever used. I arrive at my destinations free of soreness and aches. As is typical with a Honda product, all the controls are exactly where you would expect to find them, and there is very little time spent hunting for the right button or knob:


The TLX has Apple CarPlay integration (I’m an iPhone user) - you can tell that the car was designed before CarPlay was integrated, and it was “bolted on” later models. The controls to use it are a little janky. It works, but it’s not as intuitive as I’d like. For the controls that are original to the 2014 design (HVAC, stereo, SiriusXM, etc), everything is simple to use. The quality of the top screen is a little lackluster, but it does ok with Apple Maps (the Acura map app is, frankly, less than impressive):


The J35 engine is a beast. I actually test drove a 2021 TLX first, but the thought of going to a turbo 4 put me off. The engine produces nearly 300 horsepower, but I’m also averaging 30 mpgs over the past two weeks. The all-wheel drive system is legit. I’ll have a more in-depth review once the snow starts falling (and I throw a set of Nokians on it), but during a heavy rain last weekend, the car stuck to the road like glue:


It’s also my first car with LED headlights - they seriously turn night into day, and cast a broad enough beam that I can keep an eye out for deer along the roads (a concern where I live). Time will tell if I encounter the same issues that @stiller fan had with his 2018 Accord, but I’m hoping the lack of a concave design won’t allow them to become snow traps like his car experienced:


I really like the design of the car. The 2021 was, honestly, too big for me. The 2020 is just the right size (it’s actually narrower than my old coupe, but feels more spacious inside). I’m still adapting to the safety features like LKAS, ACC, etc, but the more I drive the car, the more they make sense:


A thousand miles, in the books after ten days of driving. 20,000 is up next… we’ll see when the big 100k rolls around. I was able to put a significant amount down in cash, so what I’m actually financing is pretty manageable (I don’t like car payments, so my goal is to have this thing paid off in the next 12-18 months, assuming no major financial pressures interfere). From there, I’ll just keep driving it. And driving it. And driving it.


Onward!
 
I can't help but notice how similar the wheels look to the one on your Accord, it feels like a natural evolution. Maybe it was meant to be!

How has your experience with the idle stop system been? IIRC these do have it.

I also know the ZF9 transmission is a bit of a hot and cold beast for a lot of people, how have you found it so far?

I definitely get what you mean with the whole thing about CarPlay feeling bolted on. There are some things on my Accord for which I feel the same, like the USB port.

It looks like you found a real nice car, hopefully one that'll be as loyal as your Accord was for all those years. I don't plan on leaving my Accord any time soon, but whenever I do, a TLX is definitely on my radar along with its older brother, the TL.
 
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Thanks, @WiiMaster . I’ve been really happy with the car so far.

Idle stop is fine - I turn it off as soon as I start the car up (the disable button is right near the shifter, so it’s easy to remember to kill it). Simple enough. I haven’t had any issues with the transmission. I know it was troublesome, especially for the earlier years of the first-gen TLX, but it seems like it’s pretty well sorted at this point.
 
That's good to hear. The ZF9 rarely has issues with actual transmission failure from what I've seen, but people often comment that it behaves weirdly especially when it comes to shifting. The main thing I don't like about it is the button shifter. If your battery ever dies and you have one of those button shifters, it becomes a real pain getting it into neutral.

Yes, if I had one of these I'd probably be killing the idle stop as well. Sucks that it doesn't remember the setting, but that's a problem easily solved if one was bothered enough by it.

Any plans to send a sample out to Blackstone when the time comes for the first oil change?
 
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This means I win our little race by default eh? :LOL:

Seriously though, congrats. It's a good car. I test drove the TLX back in 2018 in the same spec in Lunar Silver. I liked it for the most part outside of the transmission. Of course by then I had already driven the 10th gen with the 10speed. The SH-AWD left a good impression on a cloverleaf on-ramp.
 
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That's good to hear. The ZF9 rarely has issues with actual transmission failure from what I've seen, but people often comment that it behaves weirdly especially when it comes to shifting. The main thing I don't like about it is the button shifter. If your battery ever dies and you have one of those button shifters, it becomes a real pain getting it into neutral.

Yes, if I had one of these I'd probably be killing the idle stop as well. Sucks that it doesn't remember the setting, but that's a problem easily solved if one was bothered enough by it.

Any plans to send a sample out to Blackstone when the time comes for the first oil change?
You know, that’s an interesting question. The thought of sending a sample to Blackstone so soon hadn’t occurred to me - I’ll give it some thought.

The software issues with the ZF transmission was what I heard about too - seems like the update from Acura cured a lot of the problems. If I encounter any issues, I’ll be sure to share.
 
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This means I win our little race by default eh? :LOL:

Seriously though, congrats. It's a good car. I test drove the TLX back in 2018 in the same spec in Lunar Silver. I liked it for the most part outside of the transmission. Of course by then I had already driven the 10th gen with the 10speed. The SH-AWD left a good impression on a cloverleaf on-ramp.
Yep - be sure to post when you hit 228,027… you’ll have passed the-little-coupe-that-could.😀

And thanks! So far, I’ve really been pleased with the TLX. Looking forward to seeing how it tackles winter roads (once equipped with proper tires, too).
 
You know, that’s an interesting question. The thought of sending a sample to Blackstone so soon hadn’t occurred to me - I’ll give it some thought.
For sure. I only sent one for mine despite the low mileage because I wanted to at least get some idea of what the previous owner did. Cheap insurance for $35.

The software issues with the ZF transmission was what I heard about too - seems like the update from Acura cured a lot of the problems. If I encounter any issues, I’ll be sure to share.
Yes, the interesting thing about the ZF9 is that it's one of those adaptive transmissions meaning it learns the habits of the driver and adjusts its behavior accordingly. Disconnecting the battery for a bit can cause it to reset this and go into a relearn mode and feel weird at first until it completes the relearn. There are some Honda techs that highly recommend doing this when experiencing trouble.
 
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I see you over on TLX Forums too. Not as lively as it is here. I went a similar route 4 years ago. I traded my 7th gen for a 15 TLX Tech. I went with the 2.4 because I didn't want the V6. It's been a great car. I drove from FL to NY and back once and a few trip to Atlanta. I love the DCT even though most times I'm in ECO mode and barely ever drive spirited. I've gotten close to 39 on a tank when trying hard.

I've wanted the ASPEC version of the wheels you have but never able to find as set in good condition.
 
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I see you over on TLX Forums too. Not as lively as it is here. I went a similar route 4 years ago. I traded my 7th gen for a 15 TLX Tech. I went with the 2.4 because I didn't want the V6. It's been a great car. I drove from FL to NY and back once and a few trip to Atlanta. I love the DCT even though most times I'm in ECO mode and barely ever drive spirited. I've gotten close to 39 on a tank when trying hard.

I've wanted the ASPEC version of the wheels you have but never able to find as set in good condition.
The TLX Forums are definitely not as lively as DA… maybe we can bring some DA spirit over there? 😁

Glad to hear you’ve had such a good experience with your TLX. Two weeks in, and I’m so far really pleased with the purchase!
 
That's one thing i noticed. When I was shopping for a TL a year or two ago, I wanted to see if I could find a good forum for it to get some information, and there just doesn't seem to be one central hub. I think most of the Acura forum talk is on AcuraZine.
 
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I think that by 2018, Acura massaged the 9 speed enough that it shouldn't have the nightmare problems that you read about from the past. If you are happy with it, that's all that matters.

The 9 speed does have characteristics though.

I had a Passport and this is what I noticed.

It starts off in second. You can override this if the paddles are used. I don't think it gets to 9th very often here in upstate NY so basically it's a 7 speed.

It has dog clutches which give it a different feel with the 4-5 and I think 7-8 upshifts/downshifts. Nothing wrong, just a characteristic.

What I didn't like was the slow downshifts and engine mapping/throttle response which made it a little frustrating in city traffic. Hopefully the Acura setup has the engine and transmission married a lot better. I remember watching a Redline Review of that Acura setup and figured that it would be worth a try with the Passport. For the most part, I found the 9 speed to feel robust and it just blended into the background.

The fluid is expensive but has come down in price significantly but is still in the $20's now I think.

Even in a Ridgeline or Passport I could feel the "torque vectoring" on curved entrance ramps. I bet in the Acura it is kind of fun.

Hope to hear more about your travels with the Acura and see some pics with snow scenery.:)
 
Great! This is interesting!

I think TLX might be the route that I'll end up taking in a few years too if no new powertrain options are coming to the 11G Accord. Reliability aside, how does the newer 2.0t TLX compared to the J35 on the test drive?
 
The TLX Forums are definitely not as lively as DA… maybe we can bring some DA spirit over there? 😁

Glad to hear you’ve had such a good experience with your TLX. Two weeks in, and I’m so far really pleased with the purchase!
I think most of the traffic over there is for the new gen. I respond to posts when I can to try and keep topics active.

You've driven a lot in the 2 weeks. Since covid I've only drive 6-8k miles per year. I got it 38k and haven't hit 80k yet. Most of my mileage is from weekend trips around FL.

Great! This is interesting!

I think TLX might be the route that I'll end up taking in a few years too if no new powertrain options are coming to the 11G Accord. Reliability aside, how does the newer 2.0t TLX compared to the J35 on the test drive?
I've considered the new 2.0 but I'm paid off on my current car and have not issues with it so getting into a new car is not a priority.

I've been really thinking hard about picking up an 07-08 TL-S with a manual transmission. The prices I'm seeing for unmolested ones are pretty high. That gen TL was my dream car for a while but was out of my budget.
 
I've looked for TLX's on and off over the last year or so.
I've driven a few with the 2.4/8spd DCT & two with the J35/9spd ZF. All the TLX's I drove that were 2017 and older I did not like, 2018 and I did like. Earlier this year I drove a '19 with w/ the Advance pkg, and I really liked it, but I couldn't justify it because if I went V6 route I'd figure get SH-AWD.
One thing I will say with certainty, Acura certainly got the kinks worked out both powertrains in later model years for sure!
 
One thing I will say with certainty, Acura certainly got the kinks worked out both powertrains in later model years for sure!
I can't say I'm completely sold on the long term viability of the J35Y engine over the J35A or even the J35Z, but at least so far there haven't really been reports of big issues, so it does have that going for it.
 
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Great! This is interesting!

I think TLX might be the route that I'll end up taking in a few years too if no new powertrain options are coming to the 11G Accord. Reliability aside, how does the newer 2.0t TLX compared to the J35 on the test drive?
From a drivability standpoint, the K20C6 motor in the 2021 TLX isn’t bad. Typical of a turbo, it’s got good low-range torque, and it pulls strongly. Throttle response is a little weird to me, but that might be more of me just having needed to adjust to it.

The thing is, reliability was a major concern. I don’t know of many instances of the turbo K-series motor running big miles - not saying it’s not possible, just that I don’t want to be the one conducting an experiment. The J-series V6 has been around since the mid-1990s. My last two Hondas (2003 Accord coupe, 2012 Accord coupe) both had the V6, and ran to (combined) nearly 400,000 miles without incident. I‘ve heard of another guy (ahem, @TX Accord ) who I heard ran up some big mileage as well.
 
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I can't say I'm completely sold on the long term viability of the J35Y engine over the J35A or even the J35Z, but at least so far there haven't really been reports of big issues, so it does have that going for it.
Given that the J35Z2 in my coupe ran without incident (with VCM being fully active for its entire lifetime), I feel more comfortable taking a risk with the J-series power plant than the K20C6, but your point is well taken.

Edit: More generally speaking, my Dad has owned Hondas since 1980, and his cardinal rule is to always buy the last model year of a generation. His logic is that by that point, most of the bugs have been sorted out. After many years of me buying “TEH NEW AND SHINEEEEEE” first year of a model, I’ve finally listened to him with my last two cars, and it worked out pretty well with that 2012 coupe. Fingers crossed it works out well for the TLX as well.
 
Given that the J35Z2 in my coupe ran without incident (with VCM being fully active for its entire lifetime), I feel more comfortable taking a risk with the J-series power plant than the K20C6, but your point is well taken.

Edit: More generally speaking, my Dad has owned Hondas since 1980, and his cardinal rule is to always buy the last model year of a generation. His logic is that by that point, most of the bugs have been sorted out. After many years of me buying “TEH NEW AND SHINEEEEEE” first year of a model, I’ve finally listened to him with my last two cars, and it worked out pretty well with that 2012 coupe. Fingers crossed it works out well for the TLX as well.
Oh for sure. The J series is a tried and true design. I just don't know how much I love the stuff they added with the J35Y like direct injection, idle stop, and the super busy rocker arm setup since they are now accommodating both VCM and VTEC on the same camshaft instead of just VCM.

On a related note, your J35Y6 does have a similar spool valve assembly on the front head like the J35Z2 did. It's part number 15810-5G0-A01 in the Acura/Honda parts catalog and should be located in about the same spot. I can't say I hear about this one leaking the way the J35Z one does, but it's probably worth keeping an eye on regardless.

Even as someone who has owned both early and late gen vehicles, I like to think that the chances of getting a good vehicle go up quite a bit as you go later in the generation. But as a counterpoint, my Odyssey is a 2006, generation started in 2005, and so far it's been great with just a few issues that cropped up but are very common across all of them. I would place my 2010 Accord somewhere around average to above average, while my 2012 has been excellent so far. Certainly can serve as the tiebreaker between two otherwise similar vehicles, but like most things, I don't consider it as the end all be all.
 
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