[LeMaster]

The ability to "fill 'er up" with electricity!
BTW, when was the Pinto ever "important" to Ford? Most of those names you mention became obsolete because they couldn't compete with the Japanese makers.

 

[Severin]

The ability to "fill 'er up" with electricity!

You don't plug in a hybrid.
A plug in EV would definitely not work for the majority of apartment dwellers; hybrids are perfect in this case.


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[LeMaster]

You don't plug in a hybrid.
A plug in EV would definitely not work for the majority of apartment dwellers; hybrids are perfect in this case.


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Thanks for that info. Clearly I'm ICE focused in my knowledge!

 

[slimm1469]

What this thread overlooks is that the car business is still suffering from the chip shortage and resulting low production. Some at the WSJ see this being over sometime in 2023, manufacturing returning to pre-Covid levels in 2024. The current market is not forever.

 

[LeMaster]

What this thread overlooks is that the car business is still suffering from the chip shortage and resulting low production. Some at the WSJ see this being over sometime in 2023, manufacturing returning to pre-Covid levels in 2024. The current market is not forever.

Absolutely. I haven't seen an Accord on my local dealer's lot in at least 4 months. Maybe longer.

 

[Honda2014]

Last month, the Accord accounted for only 16% of the total number of units sold (and less than that in terms of revenue). The Accord and Civic together accounted for only one-third (32%) of Honda's total sales.

Ten years ago, the Accord accounted for 30% of sales. The Accord and Civic accounted for over half (52%) of Honda's sales.

20 years ago, sedans and coupes accounted for nearly two-thirds (65%) of Honda's sales.

While the Accord name is memorable and was an important part of Honda's past, it is less important to Honda's future. Fiesta, Focus, Escort, Pinto, LTD, Grenada, Thunderbird, Crown Victoria, Probe, Taurus, Model T, Model A, Tempo, Coutour, and Galaxie were all an important names to Ford at one time. Today, they're mostly irrelevant.



What is the disconnection between a hybrid and being an apartment dweller?

While I’m not familiar with half the model names you listed, your point is well taken. It’s just not as important as before, but even then, I still wish that it would last. After all, it’s only a car that’s been part of my life in one shape or another in 14 out of last 16 plus years…. You know, it’s kind of hard to accept the idea that it might be gone one day.

What this thread overlooks is that the car business is still suffering from the chip shortage and resulting low production. Some at the WSJ see this being over sometime in 2023, manufacturing returning to pre-Covid levels in 2024. The current market is not forever.

I hope that did play a part in their current lineups. If not, if they’re serious about going electric, I hope they at least come out with a high performing PHEV version by MMC.

 

[AccorDokken]

You don't plug in a hybrid.
A plug in EV would definitely not work for the majority of apartment dwellers; hybrids are perfect in this case.


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There are lots of plug-in hybrids. Are you OK?

Every Plug-In-Hybrid Vehicle for Sale in the U.S. Today

Over 30 plug-in hybrids are available in the U.S., from the 105-MPGe Ford Escape to the 986-hp Ferrari SF90 Stradale.

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[zroger73]

But, plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) are in a different category and don't have to be plugged in. They can run on gasoline their entire lives - they'll just function as hybrids.

 

[Slickpanther]

I don’t think the 11th gen is ugly. I just think it’s more reserved and doesn’t have the design character that the 10th gen had. The worst thing is the axing of the 2.0 T.

 

[LeMaster]

I don’t think the 11th gen is ugly. I just think it’s more reserved and doesn’t have the design character that the 10th gen had. The worst thing is the axing of the 2.0 T.

Maybe "character" is why I find the 11th. generation so boring and anonymous looking. Without the badges as a clue, it could be any of half a dozen other Asian cars.
In any event, no 2.0t is a deal-breaker for me. If 35+ mpg on the highway is good enough for me, it should be "good enough for government work."

 

[NYC Honda]

Considering how many people bought the 2.0 before and how it's still available in the Acura, Honda doesn't give a ****.

 

[LeMaster]

Considering how many people bought the 2.0 before and how it's still available in the Acura, Honda doesn't give a ****.

They should. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's disappointed. I'm not an Acura kind of guy.

 

[14v6]

There are about 5 or so folks having a temper tantrum about the 2.0t. They have accounted for this. The same happened when they got rid of the manual and the V6. At least you cant get the 2.0 in the CTR and an Acura if you want to pay for it. I think most will be more than satisfied to lose some 0-60 time and gain almost double mpg's. Honda is going electric and taking on Sony and GM as partners. I expect there will be another tantrum when they get rid of hybrids.

 

[LeMaster]

I expect there will be another tantrum when they get rid of hybrids.
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Not from me!

 

[seldomseen]

The 11th gen actually looks better than the 10th gen. The lame engine along with all the carry over interior and exterior designs/styling are a big disappointment though.

 

[MisterHooman]

Keep in mind that a lot of the same people are the ones designing these computers.

The people I've talked to in IT have actually told me quite the opposite, they find themselves trusting computers even less.

That's because people gifted with being highly intelligent lack common sense. Not everyone, but a decent chunk.

IT is such a broad term... a lot of jobs fall under that word.

With computers, consistency is the key. Computers are very good at repetition under strict limits. Humans... not so much. What people don't understand is computers don't make mistakes, humans do. The computer is only doing what it was told to do. And for that quality assurance and testing! testing! testing! Take Microsoft's product, Windows, for example. It has a massive userbase. It has the potential to be great, but Microsoft cut their testing team and now we as Windows users are the guinea pigs. I don't trust Windows, but I do trust other products.

 

[KayGeeP]

If reliability was my top priority, I'd look to Mazda first then Toyota. Honda has moved some of their reliability budget to styling and technology in an effort to appeal to a broader audience.

I'm with you on Kia/Hyundai. The Telluride and Palisade make the Pilot and MDX look and feel cheap, but I still wouldn't buy one with my own money.

I traded in my 2015 Mazda 6 (Manual) for a 2019 Accord Sport (10AT) and not a day goes by that I don't have regrets about it....

The Accord purchase was a compromise because 1. It was hard to find a Manual 10th Gen accord regardless of powertrain and 2. Theres NOTHING in the sedan market that excites me. I would go back to VW but they've covered the GTi in snot with all the capacitive buttons like the 10th gen Civic. YUCK!!

 

[KayGeeP]

Mazda doesn't even make a mid-size competitor to the Accord/Camry anymore. Hard to compare.

Rumor is that their Mazda 6 replacement will be RWD and comes with a V6

 

[KayGeeP]

What is wrong with it? I really like it with the 2.0t.

Programming is very aggressive even when it's not in sport mode

 

[zroger73]

Rumor is that their Mazda 6 replacement will be RWD and comes with a V6

It was fun to dream about.

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