[14v6]

Agreed but the flywheel (called a Flexplate on automatic transmission cars) is flexible and susceptible to stresses caused by misalignment between the transmission and engine. THAT can be caused by worn out motor mounts, worn transmission mounts, AND by getting bumped heavily by parallel parkers in front of or behind you (similar to parking on steep inclines).

Too much thinking, continued: If the Flexplate teeth and starter pinion gear teeth were misaligned for a while, each part got some wear. A new starter will come with a new pinion gear that will mesh nicely into the teeth of a Flexplate when engaged. But if the Flexplate suffered some prior damage to the teeth- the new starter will mask the problem for only a while. If those Flexplate teeth are worn, missing, or damaged- you will have the problem return.

Wow, thanks for the info, guess it's not a warranty item then unless motor mount related. Ironically, my wife grew up in Queens, NY where parking on the street was a way of life. Rubbing bumpers was the norm not the exception never heard of having a flywheel issue unless you grinded the starter teeth.

 

[BigPum]

I have the same problem 2013 Accord Touring V6 Sedan!!!

I have this problem too! Very random, but it is exactly as you see it in the video. Dealership cannot replicate the problem, so I haven't had any luck with a fix. I tried servicing the battery, but that didn't help. Please keep us informed on any fix that actually works. OP, I feel your frustration.

 

[kennsuh]

Thanks for the input everyone.

Just updated my location. I live in Los Angeles. I don't parallel park as often as I used to so may have been bumped here and there. I'm going to see what the dealership can offer, if no solution comes up I'll head to a few mechanics I'm familiar with to have them look at the parts you guys just mentioned. Again, truly appreciate the feedback. I'll update the progress so that others who have this problem can refer to the post.

@kennsuh: You never worked on lawn mowers with electric starters, have you?

This is the classic "flywheel teeth worn or missing" issue. I would say starter pinion gear- but you mentioned that the stealership already swapped that out.

When flywheel teeth are worn or missing, when the starter is engaged the pinion gear pops out to meet the flywheel's teeth. If they are worn or missing, you get screeching noise and a "no start" condition. My 12 year old Toro law mower is only electric start now if I use my hand to manually rotate the flywheel to the undamaged flywheel section first. Otherwise, I get the loud noise and look of great shame from my Vietnamese gf- who can easily kill me for embarrassing her in front of the neighbors.

Now....WHY are the teeth missing or worn? Please be so kind as to update your UserCP to include your location so that your location appears under your username automatically. I am no expert, but cars that get bumped a lot while parked- as well as cars parked on steep hills (San Fran...West Virginia, etc) suffer this rare fate more than do cars on the flats of Chicago.

The last thing I can think of is that the tech who installed the new starter motor perhaps did not secure it or torque it down properly. Any variation- even an 1/8 of an inch, would cause the starter motor's pinion gear to not properly engage the flywheel all of the time.

I have never worked on Lawn mowers period haha

 

[200366HFP]

Agreed but the flywheel (called a Flexplate on automatic transmission cars) is flexible and susceptible to stresses caused by misalignment between the transmission and engine. THAT can be caused by worn out motor mounts, worn transmission mounts, AND by getting bumped heavily by parallel parkers in front of or behind you (similar to parking on steep inclines).

I'm cornfused by this Rick..... How can a motor and transmission be misaligned? They are bolted together. Motor and transmissions float on the same mounts, they don't move independently of each other. Four mounts, front, rear, side, and transmission.

Also, having a car bump into your car is not going to screw up the starter gear on the flywheel. It will screw up the parking pin in the transmission itself.

The only thing that the starter gear and flywheel "gear" contact is each other. Now with push button start, I've never tried, but I would think it would be smart enough not to attempt to engage the starter gear while running. A keyed starter, where you could hit the starter while the car is already running, this is normally where damage is caused on the flywheel teeth.

At least this is my experience with cars from way back......

 

[G-Man73]

Hey there, as of recently, I'm having the same starting issue. I have a 2013 Accord Touring with 76,000 miles and and the issue has happened four times within the last two months. This first happened on Dec. 28, 2015 and I brought the car to the dealership. They were unable to reproduce the issue and no codes were found so nothing was done. Has anyone found out what the issue is and/or a fix?

Thanks


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[kennsuh]

I found some time yesterday, brought my car in and they were unable to reproduce the problem as well. Did some more research and this is what I found on youtube.

There are comments from folks whose car had the same problem and had the car serviced in Canada Honda saying that there is a TSB#A-1-16. But looking up that, I found nothing.

 

[Millarduck]

My $0.02.

Even if your dealer tells you that Canadian TSB's do not apply in the US, I would not accept that. They are both made in OH, with the same parts that are the culprit. So, Honda knows there is an issue and a fix. If the dealer won't go to the technician hot-line, call Honda corporate for consumer help.

 

[ctandc]

Try this next time you get the symptom.
Put the car in neutral. Push it forward or backward a few feet, put it back in Park and then try to start it and see what happens.

 

[jb4674]

Quit messing around asking for people's opinions and call Honda Corporate

I hope your car was still under warranty when this occurred.


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[kennsuh]

hahahha, yep a few more miles before out of warranty. I'm trying my best to get this problem solved before warranty runs out and balancing between work & school. It's a complete headache.

The thing is I can't even find the canadian TSB. After reaching out to the people who referenced it, they did not respond. But I'll take everyone's advice. Keep pushing at the dealership and reach out for corporate!

Thanks again everyone.

 

[GOM]

It looks and sounds like the same problem I had on my 2014 Accord Touring V6. They replaced the starter assembly about a month ago and I haven't had a problem since. They said that the starter had a flat spot, it would start on the second or third try.

 

[Catfisha]

Here's something related but not really...it just made me say, "Whaaaa?!" and then laugh.

I was going through the complaints for 2013 Accords on NHTSA and stumbled across this gem:

SUMMARY:
CAR WILL NOT START IN THE MORNINGS: WITHIN A MONTHS 3 TIMES. ENGINE CHECK LIGHT CONSTANTLY LIGHTING UP. BACK AND BUTT PAIN INCLUDING LEGS FALLING ASLEEP​

LMAO!

 

[kennsuh]

I went to the dealership twice, once they could not replicate the problem. The second time I came in, I guess they called customer tech service and reached out to multiple manufacturer. Apparently there is a TSB from Feb for problems similar to this, however I do not have the TSB numbers.

"Clearance between the starter motor gear and torque converter not optimal. Starter has already been changed. Rotated Torque converter and reinstalled. " $0

 

[Catfisha]

Hmmm....I'd like to see their clearance measurements before and after....

 

[kennsuh]

yup, I could not get details cause it was closing by the time they called me... I'll have to ask another time for details.

 

[BigPum]

So I guess only time will tell if this fix actually works. It took me another 7 pushes of the start button to start the car the other day. Getting so sick of this.

 

[BMReider4]

I have a 2014 Honda Crosstour EX-L V6 4WD. Lately, I have been having intermitent starter issues.

Sounds like this:

And I recently did a Google search and found this article: https://www.cars.com/articles/2013-2015-honda-accord-crosstour-starter-issue-1420684480836/

I think Honda TSB 16-002 is refering to my problem. Has anyone had a Honda Dealership correct this issue?

 

[idonthaveneidea]

2015 Accord EX-L & grinding away

My 2015 Honda Accord EX-L V6 also has this grinding issue. Happened about a year after I leased the car. Took to the dealer and of course they did not hear the problem (Murphy's Law) since it occurs randomly. I persisted and they replaced the starter. Problem went away for a few weeks or maybe months but has since started up again. Went back to the dealer, again they didn't find anything but I persisted and they did a test and said the battery needs to be replaced and they replaced it. (Of course the battery was not at 100% it is a Honda after all and the car is 2 years old by now, but the battery was not the issue). I think they were trying to pacify me. The same day I had battery replaced at Honda the issue started up again and has been ongoing since...reading this thread just makes me feel "normal" that others are experiencing the same issue but I am sorry, this is unacceptable. We pay good money for our cars and not being able to start them, let alone in a timely fashion is a disgrace and a ripoff. So frustrated. Thanks for reading.

 

[ray67122]

Having the same issue on a 13 coupe V6 going to dealer tomorrow they state it's a known issue so we will see


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Put the car in neutral. Push it forward or backward a few feet, put it back in Park and then try to start it and see what happens.}
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that would only work on a manual trans and you would want it IN gear. rotate the engine with the crank bolt and trade it in like I am going to do after 3 Hondas. Honda won't help at all-40K miles (2013MY) now and has happened about 15 times. honda bulletin says to replace starter and they rotate flex plate/torque converter one bolt hole so the engine will stop at different points, maybe to find some good teeth. or possibly a runout issue like when you spin a tire 180 degrees when you have a vibration issue because you bought cheap tires. apparently the torque converter has the flex plate attached to it not the crank (like the larger Allisoп traпsmissioпs that I overhauled) patch job. PS my acura had left hand thread crank bolt. Oh 3 hondas and one Acura. same shit.