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I have never really looked at driving a hybrid because all of then never appealed to me. But after reading reviews of the new accord hybrid this got me thinking about it now. I drive about 30k miles in a year. I have a 100 mile round trip for my daily drive. Right now with my v6 i get about 22 to 24 mpg. Just the idea of being able to get 45mpg makes me want to look at the new hybrid.

I want to compare they hybrid to the V6 as I drive on now.

If im doing this right I i think i would save about 38 bucks a week gas if I can get 45mpg. Now i may always get that but from the reviews, many are able to get that or better.

What do you all think? Would it be a better to get a hybrid with all the driving that I do?
 

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In your situation, assuming your calculations are correct, the Hybrid is certainly the more sensible choice. Comparing only the MSRP price difference between the V6 Touring and Hybrid Touring, the ~$1500 will be more than made up in a year's worth of driving. Of course, depending on negotiations, the price difference could be much larger (in favor of the V6) as wiggle room may be very small depending on how much stock of Hybrids are available in your area.

Also, since you do drive so much, maintenance is something else to think about as well. The V6 will need to have the timing belt replaced at around the 105K mile mark, and possibly even the water pump at the same time. I'm not sure what sort of maintenance the Hybrid's will require, but it is something to take into consideration when working out the details.

If maintenance costs are low, then, practicality-wise, the Hybrid wins hands down. With that said, many on this forum are claiming near or low 40's mpg on the highway with just the regular 2.5L I4, so if I were in your shoes, I would expect the Hybrid to perform closer to or better than 50 mpg for the extra $10K+ to be worthwhile.

But I digress. If you have narrowed your choices down to the two, your best bet is to drive both and decide whether if you place practicality higher, or raw power higher in your buying decision; which is really the only thing going for the V6 anyway. ;)
 

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Maintenance is not to bad on the v6. I always change water pump when I do the timing belt. My current car has been and over all good car. I would like to get good gas mileage but still have some power. going from a v6 to a i4 may not be as easy to me as I thought though but with the hybrid, I can still get my torque and 45mpg. I will just have to research both and see which i like more. I was going to get the exl version but after doing a full retro to my car, I want the stock led headlights. I would rather have it all come from the factory so I dont have to mess with installing new headlights in the car. Just buy the car with all the options I like. Plus with me keeping my current v6, I can always just jump back into this car.
 

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If you like the power of the V6, you'll miss some of that in the Hybrid. It doesn't have the same feel or smoothness that the V6 has (I'm comparing my older V6. The 2013/14 V6 sounds like it is a little more powerful.)

It has decent low end torque, but I bet it doesn't feel much better than the 4 cyl, even though the test times show it's faster. I haven't driven a 2013 Accord 4 though.

I'm not sure I would get a Hybrid. I have the same powertrain in the PHEV, but the thing I enjoy most is running it electric only. Hybrid mode is just a little less enjoyable and I miss the V6 once in a while.
 

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Maintenance is not to bad on the v6. I always change water pump when I do the timing belt. My current car has been and over all good car. I would like to get good gas mileage but still have some power. going from a v6 to a i4 may not be as easy to me as I thought though but with the hybrid, I can still get my torque and 45mpg. I will just have to research both and see which i like more. I was going to get the exl version but after doing a full retro to my car, I want the stock led headlights. I would rather have it all come from the factory so I dont have to mess with installing new headlights in the car. Just buy the car with all the options I like. Plus with me keeping my current v6, I can always just jump back into this car.
Yeah, I definitely agree with you about having it all come from the factory. I sort of regret not going with the Touring for the LED headlights myself, and swore I would not do a retrofit, but here I am again... :paranoid:

Since you are planning on keeping your current 8th gen V6, then it would make sense to go with the Hybrid and have the best of both worlds. Granted, the 9th gen V6's power delivery and fuel economy are significantly improved, the Hybrid is going to be more practical every time - especially if stop-and-go traffic is taken into account.
 

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Given the distance of your commute you should consider the Passat TDI. Less expensive to buy than the hybrid and long term will be less expensive to maintain (no battery to replace and from what I've read diesel is less expensive than gas engines to maintain). I don't have any experience with the Passat or diesel but folks seem to love the Passat TDI. You would have to give up some 0-60 acceleration though.

I bought the Touring v6 and love it. All my driving is either city, or highway for vacations, so no commuting for me. I would have considered the TDI if I had more of a commute. I'm not a hybrid kind of guy.
 

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I would consider 2013 V6 as well. It can deliver a high MPG numbers in long commute without much of stop and go traffic. My 2013 V6 Touring gets more than 30 MPG average during winter time and more than 32 MPG during summer time. I have 65 miles commute each way (50% of it is interstate highway).
 

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Really depends on how you drive it. The new accords, even the v6, are all very fuel efficient.
 

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I never owned a hybrid car before in my life. Until I test drove the new Hybrid and bought it on the spot.

I really like it a lot!
 

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wow you get that with your v6? that is nice. I may need to read up more on the v6. I can only get that now if i drive it slow. I drive on cruse at 80mph so was thinking the hybrid would do better at those speeds.
 

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Hybrid is best if you drive a lot of city miles with traffic. That's where the V6 will get terrible mileage no matter what you do. It's also a lot more of a serene experience since the gas motor will be off most of the time.
 

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Some I4 drivers are reporting high highway MPG figures. But it seems to me that if they were driving a hybrid under the same conditions that be doing even better. Seems like people want to compare the 40 MPG highway they're getting on their I4 with the EPA estimated 45 MPG highway on the hybrid. So if a car rated for 36 gets 40, then shouldn't a car rated for 45 get 50? It's the same percentage increase.

I've talked to a TON of dealers about the Hybrid. I was calling them before many of them even knew it existed. Many of them will scare you into thinking that you're gonna have to pay list price or more. Not true.

When I priced out the EX-L back at the end of November I got two prices for about $31,000, a couple at $32,000, a few at MSRP of $32,695 and one at $34,659 (MSRP + $2,000!). Recently I've gotten two quotes just a tad above $31,000.

Had gotten one quote on a Touring Hybrid for $34,000. Another quote for $31,860 - but it was gone before I could react.

So don't get bullied by dealers trying gouge you on the Hybrid. Some are reasonable and fair in their pricing. It's still higher in relation to MSRP or invoice vs regular Accords. But there are dealers willing to play ball.
 

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Hybrids get better milage in city stop and go driving because they use regenerative braking to help recharge the battery and shut down the engine when the car is stopped.

However, the big high time, high mileage maintenance item will be replacing the battery pack. All batteries wear out from charge/discharge cycles. For example, Apple estimates 800 cycles on their lithium ion batteries in iPhones and iPads. I think Ford only warrantees their hybrid car battery packs for five years or 50,000 miles. Replacing the battery pack could be at least a couple of thousand dollars which would certainly reduce the money saved at the gas pump. Of course you won't have to worry about replacing the timing belt because all Honda's new engines use timing chains instead of belts.
 

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Hybrids get better milage in city stop and go driving because they use regenerative braking to help recharge the battery and shut down the engine when the car is stopped.

However, the big high time, high mileage maintenance item will be replacing the battery pack. All batteries wear out from charge/discharge cycles. For example, Apple estimates 800 cycles on their lithium ion batteries in iPhones and iPads. I think Ford only warrantees their hybrid car battery packs for five years or 50,000 miles. Replacing the battery pack could be at least a couple of thousand dollars which would certainly reduce the money saved at the gas pump. Of course you won't have to worry about replacing the timing belt because all Honda's new engines use timing chains instead of belts.
I believe V6 engines still have the timing belt.
 

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Hybrids get better milage in city stop and go driving because they use regenerative braking to help recharge the battery and shut down the engine when the car is stopped.
The Honda Accord Hybrid gets a boost too for highway miles. It uses an Atkinson cycle engine. They're more efficient at cruising speeds than traditional engines - but they suck at low end torque, or getting the car in motion from a stop. The Accord Hybrid's gas engine drives the wheels directly at about 45 MPH and up, working when it is most efficient.
 

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I believe V6 engines still have the timing belt.
Yes they do, but the hybrid has a two liter I4 engine so it has a timing chain. The accord V6 is not a new design engine. It's a "J" series engine which has been around in one form or another since 1999.
 

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Yes they do, but the hybrid has a two liter I4 engine so it has a timing chain. The accord V6 is not a new design engine. It's a "J" series engine which has been around in one form or another since 1999.
Oh, ok. Since the OP was debating on whether to get a V6 Touring model or a Hybrid model, so I thought you meant he didn't have to worry about changing the timing belt for either model...my mistake.
 

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Me personally I would get the v6 accord. Don't get me wrong the hybrid is a great car but I would prefer the refinement of the v6, if you also drive highway a lot I would prefer the v6 over the hybrid.
 

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You'd have to be one of those very early adopter types to go for the Hybrid at this point. ... And good look finding anything around SF or LA areas. They must be getting pre-ordered, going straight to customers. 2 units within 100 miles of LA and SF.
 

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wow you get that with your v6? that is nice. I may need to read up more on the v6. I can only get that now if i drive it slow. I drive on cruse at 80mph so was thinking the hybrid would do better at those speeds.
I wasn't sure where you stood on the practicality balance, but if it helps my best tank to date was 34.1 mpg; and that was driving very conservatively between 55-65 mph, with very little traffic, fair weather, and mostly on the highway. So yeah, the possibility to have great fuel economy exists, especially if your commute has long, flat stretches of highway. Nowadays though, in the cold, I am seeing anywhere between 24-28 mpg per tank on the same routes. It's still terrific for a V6, the ride is quite refined and luxurious, but the Hybrid will still have a distinct advantage, regardless of weather, or traffic conditions.

However, there is something that needs to be said about throwing down the hammer for a small spirited run. :naughty: It is glorious! The 9th gen has been tested to put down around 32 WHP and about 38 lb-ft WTQ more than the 8th gen (coincidentally, also a 2008):

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=1123025&page_number=2

My slight bias would say that the V6 Touring would be a happy medium between your current 8th gen and the Hybrid Touring: you get the benefit of better fuel economy, while also getting more useable power at the same time - not to mention all of the other enhancements and upgrades as well. :thumbsup:
 
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