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I have been driving a rented Chrysler 200 this week while on business in Toronto. Throughout the 9th generatation Accord section members have been critical of Honda for certain features that they wish were offered on their Accords. The Chrysler 200 is chock full of those features as well as being a nice four door car.

The 200 has one very large bright touch screen that controls everything through a row of soft buttons at the bottom. The same screen also provides the excellent backup camera. Between the speedometer and the tach is the digital computer screen for range, economy, visual ring and digital speed. The FM radio sound is about the same as the Accord. It has Bluetooth for both the phone and separate selection for an iPad.

The car very slick leather or pleather seats that are not ventilated but are heated along with the steering wheel. Both front seats are electrically controlled not just the driver's seat. The center console has a hidden compartment with a power port and a USB plug under the cup holders with a larger arm rest compartment than the Accord. The car has built in homelink buttons on the driver's side visor.

The engine has nice power and torque through a nine speed ZF transmission that is controlled through a dial on the center console and paddle shifters. Frankly I wish the car had the Honda CVT transmission. Very gentle acceleration is very smooth with almost unnoticeable shifts. The tach rising and falling are the only indications. However, during moderately aggressive acceleration the shifts are rough and very noticeable with the RPM peaks at about 3,000 RPM. I find this is annoying compared to the same acceleration in the CVT equipped Accord. The noise of the engine increasing and decreasing during acceleration is annoying compared to the nice steady sound of the Accord's engine as the CVT accelerates the car. The Sport mode, increases the RPM of the shift points, as does the Sport in the Accord and the paddle shifters also work the same. During my short freeway drive the transmission didn't hunt around for the correct gear but there weren't any hills.

I'm sure some members here would appreciate the sounds the engine makes at it shifts through all those 9 gears. The trip computer is indicating 13 km per 100 fuel through about a half of tank. I'm not sure what miles per gallon that equals.

The handling and the steering is about the same in both cars. I haven't checked the size of the wheels and the tires because of the cold weather.

Overall, I like the features on the 200 better but I like the smoothness of the Accord's CVT. Of course this is a Canadian version of the 200 so I'm not sure the U.S. version has the same features.

If I was interested in a four door family sedan this car would be at the top of my list. Since it's a new model I'm not sure of Chrysler's reliability.
 
My opinion of Chrysler vehicles is that they are probably OK, but if you want to keep a vehicle more than 100,000 miles, then look elsewhere. The new 200 has a lot of goodies, which means they probably cut costs somewhere that won't matter until the car gets some age on it.
 
Overall, I like the features on the 200 better but I like the smoothness of the Accord's CVT.
I would bet the farm that no matter what car you drove, the baby's-ass smoothness of your Accord's CVT would transcend all other considerations, no matter what the features, benefits, and price.

I have this vision of you finishing a test drive of a Mercedes S-Class, and saying to the sales person.......

Yes,it is a wonderful car, and I can certainly afford it, but that expensive, state-of-the-art, high-performance, complex, 9-speed automatic transmission is not nearly as smooth as my Accord's low-cost, simple CVT, so I will respectfully pass. And it does not matter one scintilla to me if Honda makes a lot more more money selling the cheap CVTs to the masses, because 99.9999% of them don't know a CVT from an ATV. Thank you for your time.
 
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rotary shifter ftw... not
Instead of a stick it has a round dial. It also has an electric parking brake. It works fine since it has paddle shifters.
 
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Come on now Flyboy, really. You are just trying to get to Graycar. I bet that you were smiling away as you were posting.:dunno:
Absolutely NOT! This review is my honest observations. Except for the rough shifting transmission, which runs the RPM annoyingly up and down on acceleration, I really like the features and the way this car drives.
 
First I have EVER heard of someone preferring a CVT over an automatic!!!!!!! Not knocking your statement, just astounded. I have not driven the Honda CVT so I have no clue but this is front page news indeed.
You have 12,903 posts, and this is the first you have heard of Flyboy's bizzare love affair with the CVT?!
 
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First I have EVER heard of someone preferring a CVT over an automatic!!!!!!! Not knocking your statement, just astounded. I have not driven the Honda CVT so I have no clue but this is front page news indeed.
Of course you have never heard of this because you have never driven the Accord's CVT. it's been rated one of the best. Everything you have heard comes from the car enthusiast press. They have a prejudice against CVTs because they operate differently under acceleration and different must be bad. Also, BMW, MB, Corvette and other high dollar cars don't have the CVT so it must be inferior.The four speed automatic in my 2000 Accord V6 has a very smooth shifting automatic unlike the transmission in the Chrysler 200.

Don't knock it until you try it. If you need nine gears to get the same fuel economy as the Accord CVT, think of all the complicated mechanism to make it work. Of course it shifts crappy under acceleration.
 
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You have 12,903 posts, and this is the first you have heard of Flyboy's bizzare love affair with the CVT?!
It's not bizzare to the other hundreds of thousands of Accord drivers who own CVT Accords. It's only bizarre to you and a couple of others who bad mouth them on this forum.
 
It's not bizzare to the other hundreds of thousands of Accord drivers who own CVT Accords.
So, now you claim to speak for "the other hundreds of thousands of Accord drivers who own CVT Accords." That is in and of itself rather bizarre.

It's only bizarre to you and a couple of others who bad mouth them on this forum.
I and others only attempt to balance the scales in the face of your overwhelming emotional attachment to the CVT. It is almost a full time job to set the record straight with facts, not that facts matter that much to you.
 
we get the 200, in Europe, they get this:

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Now I would suffer some maintenance issues for one of these.
You know how much I love Alfas, why did you have to post this?

Flyboy, the 200 looks like a 7/8th midsize with a tiny trunk lid much like the Legacy. I think the current gen 200 is a pretty sweet looking car and it gets stellar crash ratings including the small overlap like Accord and Legacy. I never considered it because it seems a little smallish inside although I may be confusing it with the Dart I sat in at the Autoshow. How is the interior space and how is the passenger seat?
 
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So, now you claim to speak for "the other hundreds of thousands of Accord drivers who own CVT Accords." That is in and of itself rather bizarre.



I and others only attempt to balance the scales in the face of your overwhelming emotional attachment to the CVT. It is almost a full time job to set the record straight with facts, not that facts matter that much to you.
Obviously, if there were a large number of dissatisfied or unhappy Accord CVT owners the Internet, the blogosphere and the car magazines would be full of owner complaints. Even on this forum only a couple of members bad mouth the CVT while the others who actually own them like the CVT or are just neutral about them. What imbalance and what record are you setting straight? You don't drive an Accord with a CVT. I like the transmission as well as the great mileage I'm getting every fill up. What's not to like?

I have been driving the Chrysler 200 all week with a nine speed automatic. If I am trying to accelerate even moderately fast the transmission shifts are noticible by the annoying engine RPM going up and down along with the not very smooth shifts. I have discovered how to make it shift as smooth as the Accord's CVT with or without using the paddle shifters. I achieved this by electing sport mode and using the paddle shifters to up shift while maintaining a constant accelerator position which results in a smooth shifting acceleration.

If Chrysler had a CVT as good as the Honda CVT the 200 would drive as well as the Accord. Of course then it might 'drone' or 'motor boat' or 'rubber band' which no one except a couple of automotive writers and Graycar would care about.
 
I looked at the 200. No salesman ever came over, it was expensive, didn't seem to be as roomy and no stick.

I was looking for a stick and sunroof in sporty/practical/economical package. I didn't have a lot of choice.
 
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You know how much I love Alfas, why did you have to post this?

Flyboy, the 200 looks like a 7/8th midsize with a tiny trunk lid much like the Legacy. I think the current gen 200 is a pretty sweet looking car and it gets stellar crash ratings including the small overlap like Accord and Legacy. I never considered it because it seems a little smallish inside although I may be confusing it with the Dart I sat in at the Autoshow. How is the interior space and how is the passenger seat?
I also love Alfas but I didn't like the fact that they are garage queens and cost a small fortune to repair.

I haven't sat in the back seats but it does appear to be a little tighter than the Accord sedan. The back seat has a 60/40 split fold down. The front seats are comfortable for me with the same adjustments as the power seats on the Accord. The front seat room seems about the same as the Accord.
 
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