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https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/honda-extends-warranty-on-troubled-turbo-engines/

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/24/honda-cr-v-civic-engine-warranty-extended/

We're on our 3rd CRV, 2 of which have gone over 100k and 10 years. I consider this a hollow offering from Honda and wouldn't touch the turbo motor with any intention of long term ownership. IMO, this turbo stuff is a step backwards, the balance for reliability, and mpg;'s is now ruined.

The good news is the warranty is extended to 6 years with unlimited miles this should be great for the high mileage drivers.
 

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https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/honda-extends-warranty-on-troubled-turbo-engines/

We're on our 3rd CRV, 2 of which have gone over 100k and 10 years. I consider this a hollow offering from Honda and wouldn't touch the turbo motor with any intention of long term ownership. IMO, this turbo stuff is a step backwards, the balance for reliability, and mpg;'s is now ruined.
Best of luck in your small SUV/cross over buying without a turbo engine as time progresses. Take a look at the lineup offered these days. everything is sub a sub 2.5L turbo.
 

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Best of luck in your small SUV/cross over buying without a turbo engine as time progresses. Take a look at the lineup offered these days. everything is sub a sub 2.5L turbo.
I think the turbos will be over when the hybrids proliferate, problem with that is being stuck with a CVT. In the interim there is only the RAV4 or the Mazda. I'd probably give Ford a try first for a turbo but would have to do some more research.

Does anyone know what Honda did for the 2019's to solve the issue? It has to be more than just software.
 

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@14v6 My local Toyota dealer is flooded with people wanting the all new recently released 2019 Rav4 Hybrid. It is just $800 more than the gasoline-only version of similar trim. And it gets 41 mpg in city. That is NOT a misprint. The salesman told my wife to wait a few months- that's right, he told her to NOT buy now as they were getting full price. Said we could get it for $3,000 less in about 3 months.

On another note, my newly married cousin and her husband are expecting, and just bought a 2018 CR-V AWD Touring with 8,000 miles from a dude on Craigslist for $21,800 (a steal) because the seller was angry with Honda and thought it would not last long because of this "issue", and wanted to dump it immediately. He smelled gasoline on his dipstick. (CarMax and Carvana offered the seller $21,500) My cousin's plan? Change oil every 5,000 miles and get on with life. Maybe my cousin and her husband are foolish- maybe they found their work-a-round.

And again, I would ask: What exactly is the "issue"? The CR-V with a 1.5T in China? The CR-V with a 1.5T in the USA and Canada? Or the Accord with a 1.5T in North America? Because we are NOT seeing widespread stalling or engine failures with the 1.5T Accord.

And yes, I asked my cousin to NOT change the oil until I saw it. The oil in there was 3,000 miles old, and yes, I did detect a faint smell of gasoline on that dipstick. My Accord has 2,400 miles on its oil, and I showed my cousin how there is no smell of gasoline on that dipstick (for comparison).
 
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Yes, @RickBlaine now that hybrids are offered in lower trims and get better performance, they are definitely worth a consideration, the payback will be quick for just $800. I suspect Honda will be the same way in a few years. Should be a variation of the NSX stuff that made it's way to the MDX and RL, that tech will go mainstream for AWD. For the CRV though it's not the oil in the engine that bothers me as I change every 5k anyway and I've always smelled gas when taking a sniff of the oil cap in every car I've had. It's the fact that these engines don't heat up quickly enough. We do tons of short trips in the winter. Also, I have an issue unloading 35k on a brand new car that is plagued with question marks as to whether it can go the distance. I think there's a lot of spin going on here just like when the prior gen CRV's were shaking at idle. The fact that Honda had to address it twice though doesn't look good considering the powertrains they have had in the past but it seems like most manufacturers have issues. The Toyota 8 speed is apparently no gem and the CVT with a conventional first gear is having issues.. On the Passport forum there are several owners that posted about their issues with the CRV (that ended up trading them in for the Passport) but I always come across someone that says they don't heat up.. Ironically, not much hate for the 9 speed in the Passport so Honda may have actually "shaked" it's labels on the 9 speed.
 

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For any oil questions or concerns, send in a small oil sample to Blackstone Labs... you'll get all the chemistry you would ever want to know about your oil (gas, antifreeze in the oil, bearing wear metals, remaining oil life, etc.)

Worth it for the small price to pay to have either the peace of mind...or the decision to unload early...or alter driving or oil change habits.
 

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real life samples:

2017 CR-V Touring with 98,375 miles
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/773423108/overview/

2016 Honda Civic EX-T with 128,291 miles
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/751625935/overview/

highest mileage I've seen on this 1.5T engine is 154,000 miles on a 2016 Civic EX-T

numbers speak for themselves
Small samples sets don't make representative statistics.
Did that 154K Civic start up 1/3 of the year in below freezing temperatures?
Etc.
 

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^Exactly- and there is a grand total of ZERO Accord 1.5T engine failures reported on DriveAccord attributed to "oil dilution".

Plenty of "OMG I smell gas on my dipstick I want a new car now I will sue Honda" statements though.
 

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^Exactly- and there is a grand total of ZERO Accord 1.5T engine failures reported on DriveAccord attributed to "oil dilution".

Plenty of "OMG I smell gas on my dipstick I want a new car now I will sue Honda" statements though.
Yep. So much fearmongering and Honda bashing on some other websites.... My 2018 Accord has been Rock solid mechanically and electrically. The issue is present in the Civic and CR-V under certain conditions, but Honda has a fix out for it.

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I am leasing my 2019 accord sport 1.5 if it has isues they can just get it back i won`t end up buying it. Glad i am leasing it now!
 

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CR-V owners are being advised of an engine-warranty extension (for specific engine components) related to Diagnostic Trouble Code P0172 (among others) ("fuel system too rich). https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5160915/1 It's also being discussed on the CR-V owners board (CRVOC.com.) https://www.crvownersclub.com/threads/oil-dilution-and-associated-matters-_-volume-1.195127/page-116. See also: https://vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1391230&page_number=1#1391230
 

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CR-V owners are being advised of an engine-warranty extension (for specific engine components) related to Diagnostic Trouble Code P0172 (among others) ("fuel system too rich). https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5160915/1 It's also being discussed on the CR-V owners board (CRVOC.com.) https://www.crvownersclub.com/threads/oil-dilution-and-associated-matters-_-volume-1.195127/page-116. See also: https://vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=1391230&page_number=1#1391230
This issue and warranty extension apply to the 1.5L engine used in the Civic and CR-V. It does not apply to the 1.5L engine used in the Accord.
 

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This issue and warranty extension apply to the 1.5L engine used in the Civic and CR-V. It does not apply to the 1.5L engine used in the Accord.
Beyond me how there can be a difference vehicle to vehicle - unless it is completely related to the fuel map / injection pressures specific to the the platform.
 

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Turbo charged engine fuel leakage into oil system: has that been fixed?

I have a 2008 Honda Accord 4 cyl. with 188k and very satisfied with it. Now I want to replace it with a new or near new Accord. I read that the tubo engine has a problem with fuel leaking into the oil. Has this been addressed by Honda?
 

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Turbo charged engine fuel leakage into oil system: has that been fixed?

I have a 2008 Honda Accord 4 cyl. with 188k and very satisfied with it. Now I want to replace it with a new or near new Accord. I read that the tubo engine has a problem with fuel leaking into the oil. Has this been addressed by Honda?
Slow day at the Toyota dealer? How are Corolla Hybrid sales?
 
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Turbo charged engine fuel leakage into oil system: has that been fixed?

I have a 2008 Honda Accord 4 cyl. with 188k and very satisfied with it. Now I want to replace it with a new or near new Accord. I read that the tubo engine has a problem with fuel leaking into the oil. Has this been addressed by Honda?
If you can separate the needle of truth from the overwhelming haystack of snark, fanboy-ism, and stark raving paranoid insanity, I think you'll find that the issue was likely never that huge in the first place, and has since been addressed by a TSB from Honda. I personally wouldn't be concerned about it unless I lived in a severely cold climate, parked outside regularly, and had a very short daily commute that didn't allow the engine to warm up thoroughly.
 

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I still believe some of these reports of oil dilution are real. Oil and gas are both crude oil products with similar smells. If the oil on a dipstick shows overfill AND it was checked prior to see that it was not, then I believe it. Anecdotal “my oil smells like pumpkin pie” I can’t trust.
 

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This

If you can separate the needle of truth from the overwhelming haystack of snark, fanboy-ism, and stark raving paranoid insanity, I think you'll find that the issue was likely never that huge in the first place, and has since been addressed by a TSB from Honda.
contradicts this

I personally wouldn't be concerned about it unless I lived in a severely cold climate, parked outside regularly, and had a very short daily commute that didn't allow the engine to warm up thoroughly.
 
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