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I've always ordered from Autogeek.net, but the Palm Beach Motoring group is confusing. They seem to own several sites, including autogeek, autopia, pinnacle wax, wolfgang, etc. Do they make these products? Do they also make detailer's pro,blackfire, meguires, poorboys, etc? Are all these products pretty much the same with different labels? I've been buying BF exclusively for most things, but now I'm wondering if I'm wasting money. Can anyone enlighten me?
 

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I asked a similar question a few months back. Read this thread and the link Glen replied with.
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78004&page=2

Bottom line I think a number of them are, but if you do some research and read some reviews, find a good product and stick with it. I'm very happy with the Sonax wheel cleaner, I'll never switch, going to try their new Poly Net Shield. If you google Sonax you'll find a Euro version also which leads me to believe they aren't one of the mass produced. With so many folks happy with Blackfire Products, I don't think you can go wrong with them. They have a great marketing program.
 

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I asked a similar question a few months back. Read this thread and the link Glen replied with.
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=78004&page=2

Bottom line I think a number of them are, but if you do some research and read some reviews, find a good product and stick with it. I'm very happy with the Sonax wheel cleaner, I'll never switch, going to try their new Poly Net Shield. If you google Sonax you'll find a Euro version also which leads me to believe they aren't one of the mass produced. With so many folks happy with Blackfire Products, I don't think you can go wrong with them. They have a great marketing program.
Proctor and Gamble own both Tide and Gain:

100 fl oz of Tide = $11.97
100 fl oz of Gain = $9.97

And each brand has about 20 different variations (with fabric softener bleach built in and etc) but they maintain pretty much the same two dollar difference between the two brands. Hmmmmm.....

I'm guessing some people would buy the Tide because they buy the BEST (my wife shops this way!) and assume if it's more it must be better - while others buy the Gain because they need to watch every penny. So Proctor and Gamble wins both ways!

Is Tide the same as Gain - probably not the same but I'll wager they're not too far off. Is Tide better than Gain - probably not. Would people who only buy Tide tell you Tide is better than Gain after trying the Gain - I'll bet the majority of them would! Companies spend a ton of money on marketing for a reason - IT WORKS!

Nonetheless - I just bought some Blackfire Total Polish and Shine so I'm just as much a lemming as anyone else!
 

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Thanks for that Monster! I read it all and I suppose they are truly different, and not relabeled. It's just confusing for a newcomer. Add-in different product lines in one brand (Mequire's: professional, gold class, ultimate, NXT) and my eyes glaze over. From a quick comparison it appears BF is a touch cheaper than Wolfgang and lies somewhere in the middle of the product lines. Without doing a detailed price comparison, can anyone rank the product lines in terms of price/performance?

I'll probably just stick with BF and not overthink it. I'm not a professional detailer, and probably will only ever do friends/family vehicles on the side. I'm also driving a Honda (no offense given) and not a Ferrari.

Completely agree about the Sonax wheel cleaner. If only it didn't smell so bad.
 

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Buy a few products and divide your hood and do a 3 month test. I have. And it's not about just the price or gloss, for me as I have said several times - if it's easy to use and get off, you'll do it more. And in my experience, that's blackfire, it just requires no elbow grease.

But when something new comes along that matches that criteria like DODO tropical or Sonax net shield , I'm all over that too.
 

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Without doing a detailed price comparison, can anyone rank the product lines in terms of price/performance?
That would be purely subjective and impossible to accomplish. BF is a good one stick with it......in my opinion.

Take glen's comment about Collinite 845. He sees it as a PIA to use where I've never had a problem or complaint with it over a ten year span. See what I mean? It's all subjective.
 

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Collinite is a PIA to use....period
No disrespect intended but I got a laugh out of that. I guess everything's relative. To me Collinite is a simple conventional wax. Spread it on, let it haze, and lightly buff it off. Not what I view as a PIA. But indeed it's certainly fair to call it a PIA if you compare it to something like Blackfire Crystal Seal!
I'm old enough to remember Simoniz. Years ago that used to be considered one of the best waxes. Talk about PIA. I can recall helping (?) my dad buff out a Simoniz job when I was about 10-11 yrs old. After a few minutes my dad politely assigned me another task. I wasn't strong enough. I couldn't provide enough elbow grease to be helpful. Glad to see that times change and products really do improve.
 

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Buy a few products and divide your hood and do a 3 month test. I have. And it's not about just the price or gloss, for me as I have said several times - if it's easy to use and get off, you'll do it more. And in my experience, that's blackfire, it just requires no elbow grease.

But when something new comes along that matches that criteria like DODO tropical or Sonax net shield , I'm all over that too.
how does sonax net shield make your criteria of ease of use but beat out crystal seal? seems to me bfcs would be easier as it is a wowa product whereas the net shield requires buffing. do you just consider the buffing to remove it effortless and not something that would put it a step below crystal seal or is there some other criteria?
 

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I'm old enough to remember Simoniz. Years ago that used to be considered one of the best waxes. Talk about PIA.
Yep, back then you didn't wax the car you Simonized it.......and it took a full grown man to remove that "epoxy" from the paint. :thmsup:
Of course the fact that my old man smeared it on with the "more is better" mindset didn't help anything.
 

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how does sonax net shield make your criteria of ease of use but beat out crystal seal? seems to me bfcs would be easier as it is a wowa product whereas the net shield requires buffing. do you just consider the buffing to remove it effortless and not something that would put it a step below crystal seal or is there some other criteria?

Try it, you wipe it off, no back and forth buffing, never said it was better than CS, but meets my criteria as EZ...
 

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YouTube is a wonderful thing. Sonax Poly Net Shield, talk about easy on and off.

I used to use Griot Best In Show wax, what an absolute pain to remove, never knew there were so many high end products until I found them here and did some research.
 
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