[GoLowDrew]

We all have said, that Honda should have made a 6-6 Sedan. I love manual trans on something like a Civic or smaller. Lots of fun. Driven many from Celica, Swift, Corolla, MR2, and Sentra SE-R. Manual trans = fun.

Test drove the VW Passat I5 5 spd manual. Something does not feel right. It's not because it's a VW. There is just something not right about the size of the Passat and manual trans. Can't exactly explain it, maybe some of you know what I'm talking about? Maybe not. I just don't feel the fun. It seems like work.

I know the 6-6 Coupe is the same size as the Accord Sedan. Never driven it. So I know I'm not comparing Apples to Apples. But the Passat and Accord are the "exact" size.

Maybe it's a metal thing. I feel that a sedan like the Accord maybe better as an automatic. Maybe Honda was right in not offering a manual sedan on the G8....:dunno:

 

[Alphazone]

o.o.. i thought the accord coupe was suppose to be mid-size while the sedan was classified as a full-sized car.

 

[GoLowDrew]

o.o.. i thought the accord coupe was suppose to be mid-size while the sedan was classified as a full-sized car.

I understand, but yet don't understand the EPA classification. It is based on interior volume.

For example, the B Class cars are all very tall. Many would say they are as large or larger than the compact cars of the past. True. They are taller (more volume) but in no way they are wider or longer. So they are still small in my book.

 

[strate l o s s]

they already have the trans, why they didn't offer it on sedan is passed me.

 

[ilovelamp]

they already have the trans, why they didn't offer it on sedan is passed me.

Cost, and there is a bigger market for the auto. It comes down to cost.

 

[kvndoom]

Honda I4:

177 @ 6500 torque 161 @ 4300
OR 190 @ 7000 torque 162 @ 4400

Honda V6:

271 @ 6000-6200 torque 254 @ 5000

VW I5:

170 @ 5,700 torque 177 @ 4250

There is no way you can compare VW's I5 to Honda's V6, when it is only marginally better than the 4-cylinder.

I would have bought a 6-6 sedan. I love my coupe, but I would have gone for 4 doors.

 

[scb2755]

I will buy MT only cars until they stop making them. (I have a coupe that is a MT)

The reason is definatelty cost and that such a small percentage of people want MT cars now a days. My dad has a mazdaspeed 6 that funny enough was only offered in 6 spd. The idiots at Mazda discontinued the entire car due to poor sales probably not realizing the reason for poor sales was likely attributable to the fact it wasn't even offered in auto. He got it for an absolute steal which was good for him but unfortunate because it is an amazing car, stops faster than most cars costing 4 and 5 tines as much, has a turbo 4 making just over 270 and awd . If they we're still making them I would definately have bought one over my accord coupe.

 

[strate l o s s]

Cost, and there is a bigger market for the auto. It comes down to cost.

maybe you can enlighten me, but how does it cost more ?

they already have a v6 with 6 speed Accord being made, just put it into sedan (which has the same engine).

I can think of a few things the Accord has that could have been left out without anyone ever knowing they were missing.

6 disc in dash, and power driver's seat being 2.

lol

 

[jmaccord]

I test drove the 2011 VW I5 5mt sedan (back when the 2011s were new) and it didnt feel fun at all.... It was just... eh not my cup of joe

 

[luvr_of_vball]

People speak very highly of the 7th generation i4 5MT Accords, including the sedans. Obviously, they're smaller and likely feel more agile than the 8th gen.


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[Baldeagle]

We all have said, that Honda should have made a 6-6 Sedan. I love manual trans on something like a Civic or smaller. Lots of fun. Driven many from Celica, Swift, Corolla, MR2, and Sentra SE-R. Manual trans = fun.

Test drove the VW Passat I5 5 spd manual. Something does not feel right. It's not because it's a VW. There is just something not right about the size of the Passat and manual trans. Can't exactly explain it, maybe some of you know what I'm talking about? Maybe not. I just don't feel the fun. It seems like work.

I know the 6-6 Coupe is the same size as the Accord Sedan. Never driven it. So I know I'm not comparing Apples to Apples. But the Passat and Accord are the "exact" size.

Maybe it's a metal thing. I feel that a sedan like the Accord maybe better as an automatic. Maybe Honda was right in not offering a manual sedan on the G8....:dunno:

Does the large size of the sedan hurt the manual transmission experience? Yes and no. Most people associate a manual transmission with a smaller sportier car. You did – Celica, MR2, Sentra SE-R. Those are small “zingy” cars that have their fun factor elevated by a MT. The Passat and Accord are NOT sporty cars – they’re family cars. Even with a manual transmission, they can never deliver the same level of fun as a smaller sportier car. After market suspension mods will certainly help, but you just can’t get around a long wheel base and all that mass. If you expected a MT in a Passat or even my 6-6 sedan to transform a family car experience into a sports car experience, it just won’t happen.

In counterpoint, the MT in a Passat or Accord Sedan make it much more engaging and fun than the automatic versions of the same car. To an enthusiast, a MT can elevate the fun factor of a typically boring family car to a very acceptable level. In that respect it is worth producing. Unfortunately, if you put all the drivers who need a family sedan in one set and all the drivers who want a sporty car in a different set, the intersection of those two sets is very small. Most “family” drivers will buy the comfy family car /mini-van/SUV and most enthusiast drivers will by a dedicated sports car. I suspect that is why sales for larger four-door-sporty-cars are so low.

One last thought, to me the Passat was a very disappointing car. VW markets themself as the producer of sporty “European” cars, yet they make soft squishy suspensions. Also, for various reasons in the last year I’ve driven three Jettas with the 2.5-liter and one Passat with the 2.5 liter engine. Every one of those 2.5-liter engines had a HUGE throttle lag every time I stepped on the gas. The delay was shocking. When I asked the sales rep he said, “Yeah, that’s a 2.5-liter idiosyncrasy.” Having the rhythm of each shift being thrown off that badly ruined the experience. It’s a shame, because that engine had good midrange torque. So, if the Passat you drove left you feeling disappointed, that could also be a reason.

 

[skw]

I would think it has more to do w/ the steering & suspension dynamics rather than just the size of the vehicle. Personally, I think the Honda's overall setup lends itself to a sportier feel compared to the Camry or new Passat, while all 3 are family sedans. VW has transformed the Passat (and to an extent the Subaru Legacy which is also avail w/ a manual) into too cushy and boring of a vehicle in the pursuit of Camry sales. Let's see how that works for them. Even the new Jetta, except the GLI, isn't the same anymore.

 

[Rattmann]

maybe test drive a manual TL
That the size of accord

 

[GoLowDrew]

maybe test drive a manual TL
That the size of accord

Manual TLs are only on the SH-AWD version and that cost $46,000 so that's out of my range. Even if it was in my price range, I would choose something else. That is not because I think TL is a bad car.

But I think you guys are right. Unless it's got the power, and manual long wheel base sedan just don't have the same fun. It has nothing to do with 0-60 or how fast it goes.

Compare the old Celica (GT) from the early 90s, it would now be painfully slow vs today's car. But it was a fun car.

 

[cdseven]

I have a manual transmission 8th gen Sedan.. Ive owned many cars lol and only one automatic.. And Honda would be close to the bottom of MY list when it comes to automatic transmissions.

Coupe, sedan, v6, 4cyl, manual or auto its a FWD Accord... It only can be so "sporty" aranoid:aranoid:aranoid:aranoid:

 

[suisunca]

Two things that haven't been said about the difference between the VW and the Honda MT's different feel:

The gearing on the cars would make a huge impact on how they behave. Not sure how the VW is geared.

The clutch on on the Honda is amazing; I doubt VW comes even close.

But I have never driven a VW MT, so I have no basis for actual comparison.

 

[glen e]

only on enthusiast sites do you find people that want an manual in a sedan. It simply does not have the draw in the consumer bases for the mfr, to offer it costs a lot, both in parts stocked, EPA loop certification and dealers to carry it. Dealer councils (the dealer body that gives the mfr input) for years has voted to kill the MT esp in a commuter family car like the Honda. Resale also is much harder, as again the general public does not demand it.

Some true sport sedan companies continue to offer it but it is getting less and less every year. I think BMW will do away with it very soon as you can shift faster with paddle shifting on the wheel and double clutch trannnys...The state of the art tranny these days is the ZF 8-speed steptronic automatic transmission with Sport and Manual shift modes and Adaptive Transmission Control (ATC)

 

[Aelayyat]

If the 6spd manual was available for the V6 sedan, I would have got one.

That is the one thing I wish my EX V6 sedan had was a 6spd manual trans.

It is what it is...

 

[Zembonez]

I want a six speed manual 4 cylinder EX Accord. It would be in my driveway now instead of the 4 cylinder AT EX that I have now if it were available.

 

[eckseleven]

I would probably have a 8th gen 6MT Accord Sedan in my driveway if they offered one (or 6MT V6 TSX).