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I just received a survey request from Honda (Canada).
First off a lot of questions related to the Covid-19 pandemic and effect on driving habits.
Secondly questions about maintenance preferences (why not use the dealership?).

But the thing that caught my attention was the de-rigueur question about "what will your next car be like?"

Here's the drop down list:
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Anything missing?
 
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Besides the omission of the Accord, I'm SMH at just how crappy So Many people's English and proofreading skills are these days... I suck at it and if I'm complaining, then you know it's pretty damn bad (like media accuracy/objectivity)...
 

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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions..
They may have simply targeted you as an Accord owner, and therefore the choices feature other vehicles in their line up.
Doubt the Accord's going away anytime soon.
 
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions..
They may have simply targeted you as an Accord owner, and therefore the choices feature other vehicles in their line up.
Doubt the Accord's going away anytime soon.
I'm on my 5th Accord in a row. It's still an option for me in the future. The omission from the list is weird.

Marketing:
"We performed a survey and exactly 0 people responded with Accord. Shut it down!".
 

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Sedan sales suck right now, but if there comes a time where there are only two midsizers left, it will be Accord and Camry. The Accord will only be gone if sedans are gone completely from North America. Which actually isn't that crazy, I guess.
 
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Survey stuff like this is usually outsourced. The quality of work received equals the amount of money paid.
 

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Isn't Honda joining with GM to build some sort of car? I can't quite remember, maybe an electric?
Anyways, the Accord is a #1 seller. I can't imagine Honda canceling it.
But I couldn't imagine them teaming up with GM either.
 

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Notice that they listed "compact care" with an E. Are you sure this is official? That's a pretty big typo.
 

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This is what you get when you staff your company with unpaid interns and don't even give them lunch.

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Isn't Honda joining with GM to build some sort of car? I can't quite remember, maybe an electric?
Anyways, the Accord is a #1 seller. I can't imagine Honda canceling it.
But I couldn't imagine them teaming up with GM either.
Earlier this year, Honda announced they would be working with GM to develop two new electric vehicles with Honda-exclusive sheet metal and interiors built on a GM platform.

More recently, Honda revealed a much deeper relationship that is planned to involve not only electric vehicles, but also internal combustion engines, electrical architecture, advanced driver assist systems, infotainment, connectivity, purchasing, research, and development.

The Accord is a very good sedan, but it's not #1 in sales - that title goes to the Camry. It's not Honda's #1 seller, either - that title goes to CR-V followed by the Civic and then the Accord.
 

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I'm sure you've read the news. Honda Japan is saying they will be 100% electric before 2030, and carbon free before 2050. Accord will have 1 more generation then it has to go. What are you guys considering? It's clear the platform can't be used for full electric, so maybe they will make a new platform (smaller less aggressive, drastically cheaper) and just name it an Accord but I doubt that.
 

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I'm sure you've read the news. Honda Japan is saying they will be 100% electric before 2030, and carbon free before 2050. Accord will have 1 more generation then it has to go.
Says who?

What are you guys considering? It's clear the platform can't be used for full electric, so maybe they will make a new platform (smaller less aggressive, drastically cheaper) and just name it an Accord but I doubt that.
You doubt that Honda will make a new platform after they announced their intentions to develop a new platform over 1 year ago?



Honda is bringing electric cars to the US, with modular platform allowing bigger vehicles

Jul. 16th 2019

Honda is releasing its first electric car that was built to be electric from the ground up this year, but it is only for the European market.

Now the Japanese automaker says that it is coming to the US with electric cars through a new platform that allows bigger vehicles. But it may take some time.

Honda is already selling the Clarity EV in the US, but it’s an unpopular compliance car.

We have been reporting on the launch of the Honda E in Europe, which is a more appealing all-electric city car, but the automaker doesn’t plan to release in the US — at least for now.

However, Honda still plans to bring more all-electric vehicles to the US.

Those vehicles should be bigger than what Honda is planning for electric vehicles in Europe.

Tetsuya Hasebe, general manager and chief engineer of Honda’s electric vehicle development division, said (via Auto News):

It has a different aim from the Honda E. This one aims for intercity, long-distance travel.
It would mean a longer range than the Honda E.

Honda recently revealed its 35.5 kWh lithium-ion battery, along with Honda e’s 50:50 weight distribution. The company says the car will be capable of charging to 80% in 30 minutes, and it’ll have a 200 km (125 mile) range.

It is meant as a city car.

For the US, the Japanese automaker is planning a modular platform that will enable bigger battery packs, longer range, and bigger vehicles.

Ayumu Matsuo, Honda’s managing officer in charge of power unit development, said:

This new architecture is designed to achieve smooth driving and highly efficient packaging. We believe it will meet the needs of customers who like our C-segment and D-segment models.
Honda aims to bring the new electric vehicle platform to production before 2025.



Do you know what a C-segment and D-segment model is?

C-segment = compact car. Think Honda Civic
D-segment = mid-size car. Think Honda Accord

No way Honda will let the Accord name plate die after 40+ years of being sold in the U.S.
 

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Well, there is Honda Japan, and there is Honda America. Japan and America have very different vehicle markets, like for instance, hybrids/EV's/alternative fuel vehicles are much more popular overseas than in America, where EV's make up about 2% of the new car market here. And if you notice, Honda hybrids and EV's have VIN's built in Japan, whereas full gasoline models are built in North America.
Even if Honda Japan does that, Honda America doesn't have to follow suit, just because they are both Honda.
 

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I just bought a '20 Accord because it's the last Accord with a manual and it was my last chance. So I've no idea what I'll buy when I'm done with this car sometime between 2027 and 2033.

I'd like it to be another manual, but I may be out of options then. And I live somewhere with inadequate infrastructure for regular use of an all-electric car (local is fine; highway is fine only if you go east and west, or to one city northwest). I'm sure the infrastructure will fill in, but there is nowhere nearly enough information for me to know if an all-electric vehicle would be on the table for me by then.
 

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No way Honda will let the Accord name plate die after 40+ years of being sold in the U.S.
I never thought I'd see the end the Taurus (34 years), Impala (62 years), or the Pontiac (84 years), Oldsmobile (107 years), Mercury (73 years), Saab (67 years), or Plymouth (73 years) brands. I never thought I'd see Ford without a single sedan. :)

The Accord has made up 16% of Honda's sales for 2020.
18% in 2019
20% in 2018
22% in 2017
23% in 2016
25% in 2015
28% in 2014

The CR-V, which is now Honda's best-selling model, has made up 27% of Honda's sales for 2020.
26% in 2019
26% in 2018
25% in 2017
24% in 2016
25% in 2015
24% in 2014

The Accord is losing its share faster than the CR-V is gaining its share. Honda now sells more newer-nameplate HR-Vs, Pilots, and Passports than Accords. The Accord was a critical part of Honda's success for decades, but is becoming one of their less-important models. If the trend of a ~2% decrease continues every year going forward, there are eight more model years (perhaps the rest of the 10th generation plus an 11th generation) left before the Accord joins the Fit, CR-Z, Element, S2000, Prelude, and Crosstour.

The Accord nameplate may very well remain a part of Honda's future, but its days as a gasoline-powered sedan are numbered. Perhaps the name will be re-used for a very different vehicle like Mitsubishi's Eclipse Cross or Ford's Mustang Mach-E.
 

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Honda Japan is saying...
Honda Japan does not mean "All Honda", it means Honda on the Japanese market. Honda Japan just ditched the Civic, but you'll continue seeing them on the American market for a long time. The company does not arbitrarily decide what they will make available to consumers, consumers buy or do not buy a product and the manufacturer follows the trend for the greatest possible profit. Likely Japanese consumers have demonstrated great interest in EV, and there is likely pressure from the government. If every American wanted a coal-fired steam engine in their car, and put their money where their mouths are, you can bet we'd see them on the road.
 
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I never thought I'd see the end the Taurus (34 years), Impala (62 years), or the Pontiac (84 years), Oldsmobile (107 years), Mercury (73 years), Saab (67 years), or Plymouth (73 years) brands. I never thought I'd see Ford without a single sedan. :)
All that has zero to do with Honda.

Besides, Ford has killed off the Taurus before (replaced by the Five Hundred) only to bring it back again.

Same with the Chevy Impala (and Malibu).

It's like a Disney movie with them. Put it away in the vault for a few years only to release it again hoping for big sales.

American brands seem to have this habit of introducing a model and then killing it off/replacing it with something else when it does poorly instead of trying to fix/improve it.

Ford Fairlane, Fairmont, Falcon, Contour, Fusion, Taurus, Five Hundred,...
Ford Pinto, Aspire, Festiva, Escort, Fiesta, Focus, Tempo,...


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The Accord nameplate may very well remain a part of Honda's future, but its days as a gasoline-powered sedan are numbered. Perhaps the name will be re-used for a very different vehicle like Mitsubishi's Eclipse Cross or Ford's Mustang Mach-E.
contradicts what you wrote before it

The Accord is losing its share faster than the CR-V is gaining its share. Honda now sells more newer-nameplate HR-Vs, Pilots, and Passports than Accords. The Accord was a critical part of Honda's success for decades, but is becoming one of their less-important models. If the trend of a ~2% decrease continues every year going forward, there are eight more model years (perhaps the rest of the 10th generation plus an 11th generation) left before the Accord joins the Fit, CR-Z, Element, S2000, Prelude, and Crosstour.
As I noted, Honda is already working on a new platform for C-segment and D-segment EVs which means I believe the Accord will at some point be a pure EV model when Honda stops manufacturing ICE Accords and ICE vehicles.
 
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