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Michelin Energy Saver vs Michelin Crossclimate+ or Bridgestone Turanza Quiettrack

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stevet
Ok folks, I've managed to pull 70K from my 2017 HAH Touring with the factory tires. Clearly I drive conservatively and between city & highway driving I average 45mpg tank after tank.

I don't hate the Energy Savers (and have had no problems with them) but I really want to replace them with something a little more reassuring for the few times we get winter weather here in Atlanta. Obviously that is sporadic and infrequent, but I do travel to the mountains in the winter sometimes and I want to feel the safest I can when I have to drive in it.

I'm considering the Michelin Crossclimate+ (50K), or the Bridgestone Turanza Quiettrack (80K). Both the Quiettrack & Crossclimate get great ratings, far better than the Energy Saver, but what I'm concerned about is the hit I may take to my fuel economy.

Can anyone provide feedback on what differences you experienced if you put non low-rolling tires on your hybrid, and if so, how much? And if you have a tire recommendation that I didn't mention, by all means, please throw it out there. Thanks!


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I've been around and around this for a couple of weeks - it was driving my wife crazy. Lots of time with Tire Rack tests, weeding out reviews not posted by the mfg or anyone selling tires.
This is the first time I've actually researched all season tires; they always seemed like a compromise. If I lived in an area with a defined winter then I'd definitely have some dedicated tires & rims but
so far in Northern California I haven't seen a need; good commute tires for the Civic, Duelers for the CRV, Potenzas for the S2K, etc. This time I'm trying for the best intersection of traction, mileage, and inclement weather. The tires will be on the car for a few years; we've been covering a lot of ground and been caught in massive rains & wind in New York & Pennsylvania (tornado warnings), early October snow in Denver and high winds in New Mexico and Wyoming. One trip through Arizona we even hit, on the same leg, sandstorm, rain, then snow in Flagstaff.
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I have Michelin Defender T+H on my truck and I think they are great! On a trip a couple years ago through Utah towing our trailer, I had to make a panic stop to avoid hitting a deer with two fawns that decided they just needed to get across the road in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and was certain I'd hit the last fawn, because it was so close, but almost miraculously, I actually stopped (from 65 mph) and everybody escaped unharmed. The pavement was dry that time, but I've never felt any loss of traction in wet weather and the ride is comfortable. They cost less than Crossclimate2's, and they seem quiet, with very long tread life.

I've decided I'll be putting Defenders on my Accord when I decide to replace the OEM tires.

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Tires ! It never occurred to me that it could be the tires. I thought it was a kind of PTSD after getting caught in the 2018 macro burst on I-84 near Scotchtown, NY.
The car has the original OEM Michelin Energy Saver X's. After reading comments it seems like there's pretty much a consensus that these tires are not very good.
My 2017 HAH usually handles pretty well on dry pavement but it's very nervous making in higher winds and colder temps (snow on the ground but not on the road)
After a couple of hours in the wind on I-80 in Wyoming I had to stop and rest. US285 from Taos to US50 in Colorado was a struggle.
So . . . I'm strongly inclined to replace the tires.
Does anybody have wind/cold experience that could offer some feedback ?
Or does this particular car just have more windage ? Maybe I just never noticed it before (?)
I have gone down the online rabbit hole for tires and am still scratchin' my head.
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Haven't had any cold or bad weather (other than rain) since putting the Bridgestone's on my car, but I'm VERY happy with them. MPG went down initially, but is back where I have always averaged. Also, they are a quiet ride and handle very well in the rain. I have no confidence issues.
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jackpine said:
I have Michelin Defender T+H on my truck and I think they are great! On a trip a couple years ago through Utah towing our trailer, I had to make a panic stop to avoid hitting a deer with two fawns that decided they just needed to get across the road in front of me. I slammed on the brakes and was certain I'd hit the last fawn, because it was so close, but almost miraculously, I actually stopped (from 65 mph) and everybody escaped unharmed. The pavement was dry that time, but I've never felt any loss of traction in wet weather and the ride is comfortable. They cost less than Crossclimate2's, and they seem quiet, with very long tread life.

I've decided I'll be putting Defenders on my Accord when I decide to replace the OEM tires.

- Jack
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My father-in-law ran the Defender T+H on an '04 CRV for many years. He was happy with them and never was a snow tire person, didn't need it he had AWD. When he past the car to my son we drove in 1 snow, it was not good IMO and from our reference. I replaced with Altimax Arctic 12. My FIL used to take the CRV if it was sitting to keep miles off his Jeep. It snowed while he was out, he came home and asked what we had done as it never stopped that short before in snow. I said I know, he still doesn't believe in them.

If you are somewhere not worried about snow, don't need 3PMSF certification for mountain passes, or government mandates, they are fine. The CC2's are not as good as true snows but according to many much better than teh all seasons. Everybody has different priorities. For me $100-200 year is worth the known better winter performance for my family. No white knuckle pucker factor.

They are not magic, physics still apply. If I had to buy 1 tire due to space to store etc, the CC2 would be on the short list as well as Nokian's and Vredestein and some other all-weather. I also know that they would need to be replaced probably more often as after 6/32" they all have reduced snow performance.
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Living in CT I wanted a bit more rain and snow performance and went with the cross climate 2. At 150K+ I’ve gone through a few sets of different tires. The OEM I replaced every 35-40k and the Bridgestone Ecopia 422’s lasted slightly longer but had crap winter traction. With the cross climate 2 this car is a tank in the snow and now does exceptionally well in the rain. I did notice a mileage drop of 3-4 mpg, but I increased my air pressure to 38 psi and only saw a 1-2mpg loss. I monitor my tires for wear and if I notice the centers wearing I’ll adjust.
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I have a cheap inexpensive with lines on it depth gauge that I either bought or dad gave me LONG ago. The newer digital ones are convenient if you want to monitor more closely. Steelman depth gauge shows it in fractions as well as decimal and mm. For $5 less one that doesn't do fractions Preciva gauge.

You could also do the chalk test with some kids chalk and drive straight for a short distance and check where it is worn. The tradeoff for the extra pounds for some better mileage is reduced contact patch for overall handling but more importantly emergency braking. Ride quality may also suffer.

Now different brands in the same size may give you a big difference in tread width so what you have may be good and as long as you are happy with all aspects. I personally want a flat wear and maximum contact patch for the tire I have. More MPG's especially at $4.39+ per gallon is nice but max grip and tire life is also.

My "thinner" Goodyear snows might or might not go back on next year. They still have a very slight imbalance, most may not notice but I'm not spending more $$ to do it again. Under hard braking I have noticed less grip and reduced mileage as compared to my Pirelli P7 summer tires. Tough $$ choice to replace when the Goodyear still has lots of tread and work well in snow. I have to weigh my own factors as listed above.

Consumer Reports video on tire tests for what they do. They drive thousands of miles and check the tread depth daily in multiple points with a digital, linked to PC gauge. It goes to the spreadsheet program so they can calculate the tire wear accordingly.
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stevet said:
Ok folks, I've managed to pull 70K from my 2017 HAH Touring with the factory tires. Clearly I drive conservatively and between city & highway driving I average 45mpg tank after tank.

I don't hate the Energy Savers (and have had no problems with them) but I really want to replace them with something a little more reassuring for the few times we get winter weather here in Atlanta. Obviously that is sporadic and infrequent, but I do travel to the mountains in the winter sometimes and I want to feel the safest I can when I have to drive in it.

I'm considering the Michelin Crossclimate+ (50K), or the Bridgestone Turanza Quiettrack (80K). Both the Quiettrack & Crossclimate get great ratings, far better than the Energy Saver, but what I'm concerned about is the hit I may take to my fuel economy.

Can anyone provide feedback on what differences you experienced if you put non low-rolling tires on your hybrid, and if so, how much? And if you have a tire recommendation that I didn't mention, by all means, please throw it out there. Thanks!


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Pirelli!!!!! Everyone should have a couple nice pair of Italian shoes!!!
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stevet said:
Ok folks, I've managed to pull 70K from my 2017 HAH Touring with the factory tires. Clearly I drive conservatively and between city & highway driving I average 45mpg tank after tank.

I don't hate the Energy Savers (and have had no problems with them) but I really want to replace them with something a little more reassuring for the few times we get winter weather here in Atlanta. Obviously that is sporadic and infrequent, but I do travel to the mountains in the winter sometimes and I want to feel the safest I can when I have to drive in it.

I'm considering the Michelin Crossclimate+ (50K), or the Bridgestone Turanza Quiettrack (80K). Both the Quiettrack & Crossclimate get great ratings, far better than the Energy Saver, but what I'm concerned about is the hit I may take to my fuel economy.

Can anyone provide feedback on what differences you experienced if you put non low-rolling tires on your hybrid, and if so, how much? And if you have a tire recommendation that I didn't mention, by all means, please throw it out there. Thanks!


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I have a accord hybrid with energy saver on it. After 50k they needed to be replaced . I bought the crossclimate and it drove good but mileage went down 8 mpg so I returned the crossclimate and bought energy saver
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BobL said:
Have a 2020 Accord Hybrid. It came with the Michelin Energy Savers. The Energy Savers would be great in Key West. Since I live in NH, I wanted to get a better all season tire with better winter performance. I installed the Michelin CrossClimate 2. They ride well and are quiet but and mileage instantly went from 50 to 42. Basically, I lost all the advantages of the hybrid. I contacted Michelin and they were no help. I'm not sure what the expectation should have been but I'm getting rid of the CrossClimates. The tire dealer said they would credit me and I could order something else. Going with the Quiet Tracks. Hopefully, I won't have the same mileage loss.
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Same thing happened to me. Costco ordered the Energy saver and they go on next week.
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BobL said:
Have a 2020 Accord Hybrid. It came with the Michelin Energy Savers. The Energy Savers would be great in Key West. Since I live in NH, I wanted to get a better all season tire with better winter performance. I installed the Michelin CrossClimate 2. They ride well and are quiet but and mileage instantly went from 50 to 42. Basically, I lost all the advantages of the hybrid. I contacted Michelin and they were no help. I'm not sure what the expectation should have been but I'm getting rid of the CrossClimates. The tire dealer said they would credit me and I could order something else. Going with the Quiet Tracks. Hopefully, I won't have the same mileage loss.
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I had about a 5 mpg drop when I went to Quiet Tracks on my '14 HAH. Toying with returning them for a trade to the A/S.
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I just replaced my DWS06’s with Michelin Defender 2’s. Very impressed with them so far. They are meatyyyyy
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