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The Wall Street Journal today reports that Honda is discontinuing the hybrid versions of its Civic and plug-in hybrid Accord sedans. No dates given.

Honda is also ending its CNG vehicle experiment.
 

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The Wall Street Journal today reports that Honda is discontinuing the hybrid versions of its Civic and Accord sedans. No dates given.

Honda is also ending its CNG vehicle experiment.
Really disappointed as the Accord Hybrid was universally considered excellent.

The plus side is Honda is focusing on plug-in hybrids :smile and fuel cells :|
 

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Really disappointed as the Accord Hybrid was universally considered excellent.

The plus side is Honda is focusing on plug-in hybrids :smile and fuel cells :|
Yup.... The WSJ article said the plug-in hybrid would go on sale in 2018... But no model name announced.
 

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I wouldn't buy a hybrid but a plug-in can pay for itself much more quickly.

I took a brief look at a volt because someone at work has one and she drives in to work on a charge, uses our office charge station (free power) and drives back home... total gas used? ZERO... that's free commuting... so sure drop the hybrids and bring on the true plug-in vehicles that can run solely on electricity while having a gasoline backup for longer trips.

Make me a Honda Volt.. lol 61kms on a single charge. I can go to and from work everyday running on pure electricity! I also won't get stranded like someone driving a Nissan Leaf.

http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/vehicles/chevrolet/volt/overview

 

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I wouldn't buy a hybrid but a plug-in can pay for itself much more quickly.

I took a brief look at a volt because someone at work has one and she drives in to work on a charge, uses our office charge station (free power) and drives back home... total gas used? ZERO... that's free commuting... so sure drop the hybrids and bring on the true plug-in vehicles that can run solely on electricity while having a gasoline backup for longer trips.
Exactly. I'm a huge proponent of plug-ins because the majority of my trips in the suburban/urban area are under 40 miles (round trip), which could feasibly be electric only.
 

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Hats disappointing for sure. I have no interest in a plug in. Heaven forbid you need to make a trip and that's the only car you have.
A plug-in hybrid has a gasoline motor...
Partially true cournot, the Volt has both while the Leaf runs solely on electricity. So hopefully Honda makes a Volt competitor not a Leaf competitor... at least until range is extended double as long as these cars can handle.
 

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Partially true cournot, the Volt has both while the Leaf runs solely on electricity. So hopefully Honda makes a Volt competitor not a Leaf competitor... at least until range is extended double as long as these cars can handle.
A plug-in hybrid by definition has an internal combustion engine. Hence the name "hybrid"

The Leaf is simply an electric car, not a plug-in hybrid.
 

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I see no mention of discontinuing accord hybrid, just civic.
You are right, it's coming back as a 2017 model with an improved powertrain.

that leaves only the Accord hybrid and plug-in hybrid. But those are going away, too; the plug-in is being discontinued permanently, while the regular Accord hybrid goes on a single model-year hiatus while production is shifted to Japan and the sedan’s clever hybrid powertrain is improved. It will return as a 2017 model. (The natural-gas-fed Civic, on the other hand, is being euthanized in response to dwindling demand fueled by rising natural-gas prices and an insufficient refueling infrastructure.)
 

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They're going to build the hybrid it in Japan after a year off. I Never understood the plug in car thing. Aren't you just moving the exhaust of the car to the smokestack of the power plant? From my limited knowledge hydrogen seems the way to go (but recharge is a infrastructure issue) but it never really took off. I think that the move to Japan had something to do with freeing up some capacity for Cuv's and Trucks. Honda is hoping for continued success with the CRV the HRV doing well already and the 2016 Pilot goes on sale this week. The 2016 Pilot will offer all of the latest safety goodies (CMBS, etc) for 1k on the EX and EX-L which are the volume sellers. Let's seem them do this across the product line going forward. Way to go Honda I been complaining that consumers shouldn't have to get a Touring trim to get these safety features.
 

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I hope they redesign the battery pack. Even if the plug-in was available in Florida, losing even more trunk space would make me choose something else.
 

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Aren't you just moving the exhaust of the car to the smokestack of the power plant?
Yes. No. Yes.

Smokestacks are 24/7 operations, so there is some benefit of recovering some of their off-peak energy production (and mandatory continuous exhaust) versus eliminating your own day-time exhaust.

Also hydro-electric, nuclear and solar/wind are sources of electricity without smokestack issues.

OK, maybe nuclear ain't the best alternative.


And most smokestacks are burning natural gas rather than oil/gasoline burned by the automobile. The USA has plenty of reserves of natural gas so we can eliminate the car as an oil consumer which means we don't have to import as much oil (product cost, access to the product and environmental issues) and natural gas is capable of burning cleaner in the smokestack than coal (or gasoline in the car).


Anyway, it is about swapping/eliminating sources of pollution and gaining benefits when possible.
 

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Interesting details on '16 Accord Hybrid

I've been mulling whether to purchase a '15 HAH or wait for the '16s. This pretty much made up my mind:

We will not be offering a plug-in version of Accord going forward as we look toward the scheduled launch of a new dedicated plug-in model. But we will expand application of our innovative two- and three-motor hybrid systems in the coming years. The Accord Hybrid is already the most fuel-efficient 5-passenger sedan in America, and the new Accord Hybrid set to debut in early 2016 will raise the bar with the next-generation of Honda's two-motor hybrid system for even greater fuel economy and performance. Further, enhancements to production methods for the two-motor system will help lead to a strong increase in Accord Hybrid sales.
The full statement can be found here: Honda drops Hybrid and CNG Civics and Plug-in Accord from the lineup

I can wait until early '16. By that time, I should have over 200K on my '08 EX-L which has become something of a personal goal of mine. More than that, though, is the news that Honda is about to release a revised hybrid powertrain. One can only hope that they will temper the harshness of the ICE and reconfigure the battery pack (hopefully they've come to the same solution as Hyundai - use what used to be a spare tire storage for the battery, giving something closer to a full-size trunk with pass-through and folding rear seats).
 

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Here's the press release...

...in its entirety:

Advancing Environment a Natural Fit in Honda Vehicle Lineup


Jun 15, 2015
As we take major steps to further strengthen and align our product portfolio around the changing preferences of our customers, growth opportunities in the marketplace and the needs of society, we are rolling out incredible new products that are creating the strongest and most fuel efficient lineup in our history.

This effort is keyed to a new generation of powertrain technologies, including more fuel-efficient engines and transmissions and new hybrid systems. As a result, our high-volume products of today including Fit, Civic and Accord on the passenger car side and HR-V, CR-V, Pilot and Odyssey on the light truck side, are already achieving best-in-class fuel economy.

We will further advance this leadership with the launch this fall of an all-new 10th-generation Civic that will deliver fun-to-drive performance in concert with top-in-class fuel efficiency and safety. With two new engines on the new Civic, including our first turbo engine, we are targeting class-leading fuel economy for Civic, with EPA highway fuel economy a few ticks above 40 miles per gallon.

Due, in part to this ability to advance fuel economy through conventional engine technology, the Civic lineup will no longer include a hybrid or a natural gas model, as we will discontinue production of both of these products with the end of the 2015 model year.

Honda has promoted CNG-powered vehicles for many years. For most of the past 15 years we have been the only automaker with a dedicated CNG vehicle. Despite this commitment, the infrastructure for natural gas refueling and consumer demand remains a challenge. Production of the Civic Natural Gas model has been completed at our Indiana plant, but we will continue to provide a high level of service to our existing customers through CNG-certified Honda dealers.

The Civic Hybrid has played a very important role in helping promote customers' appreciation for hybrid technology and is presently the only hybrid variant of a mainstream compact sedan. For the future we will place our focus more on our two-motor hybrid system, where we feel we can meet the needs and expectations of customers for hybrids and achieve greater reduction of CO2 emissions.

We will not be offering a plug-in version of Accord going forward as we look toward the scheduled launch of a new dedicated plug-in model. But we will expand application of our innovative two- and three-motor hybrid systems in the coming years. The Accord Hybrid is already the most fuel-efficient 5-passenger sedan in America, and the new Accord Hybrid set to debut in early 2016 will raise the bar with the next-generation of Honda's two-motor hybrid system for even greater fuel economy and performance. Further, enhancements to production methods for the two-motor system will help lead to a strong increase in Accord Hybrid sales.

We are also working to advance electrified vehicles to meet the diverse needs and wants of environmentally conscious customers. We are developing an entirely new generation of vehicles starting from the introduction in 2016 of our next-generation fuel cell vehicle. This will be followed by an all-new battery electric model and the all-new plug-in hybrid model.

So, Honda is committed to offering vehicles with best-in-class fuel economy today through a new generation of powertrain technology. We're developing an entire new generation of electrified vehicles that will continue our leadership tomorrow. And in the process we are creating the strongest and most balanced vehicle lineup in our history.

We remain committed to our vision for more sustainable mobility, and we are excited to be introducing a fantastic lineup of products that are more fun and more fuel efficient than ever before.

John Mendel
Executive Vice President, Automobile Division
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
Note that they plan to release the new Accord Hybrid in "early 2016" so it appears that, although it'll be a 2017 model, you won't have to wait a full year to get your hands on one.
 

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I just have to get my 02' TL with 150K miles to get me over the hump so I can pick up the 16' Hybrid. I hope Early 2016 means Jan-March. I am just trying to think of ways to make the current system better. As discussed in the above posts, placement of the battery and hopefully better performance and quieter powertrain.
 

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In all fairness, the current performance of the HAH is superb for a vehicle capable of 50MPG (and, really, for just about any 4-cyl midsize sedan). The one thing I noticed during my test drive, however, was that the intrusive noise of the ICE detracted from the fun experience of that performance. My hope is that they will be able to increase the kWh of the battery without having to increase its size and then tune the ICE so that it isn't so frantic when called upon to do its thing. I also suspect we may see more efficient electric motors but, realistically, this is still a mid-cycle refresh so we shouldn't expect crazy improvements to the drivetrain.

...and yes, I would think early '16 would be Jan-Mar. I'd plan on it being Mar-Apr, though.
 
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