Just an update. I still haven't made a firm decision. I did visit a Toyota dealer today. They can get a Camry XSE V6 in my preferred color in about 36 days. Sticker price is $40,188 and is non-negotiable. I can also get a less equipped XSE 4-cylinder for closer to $35,000. I test drove a Camry SE with the 4 cylinder and found it to be adequate but not breathtaking by any means. Could I live with it? Yes. Will I fall in love with it? Unlikely.
Possible Deal on New 2.0T Sport
A local dealer has quoted me a new 2.0T Sport essentially at MSRP ($35,150) and offered $11,200 on trade for my 2017 EX-L V6 with 175,000 miles. Out the door is right at $25,700. Thoughts? I'm losing a few features from the EX-L (leather, auto dimming mirror, Homelink, memory seats) but gaining a lot of modern tech with the 2.0T Sport. I'm on the fence because while my car has been a great car, I know I'm in for quite a few repairs in the near future with another timing belt change, water pump, tires, etc. My other option is to wait for the 2023 and jump on the hybrid bandwagon, giving up a great deal of power.
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Try driving an Accord Hybrid or a Camry Hybrid to see if you'd even entertain the hybrid route in your decision. Honda is diluting itself with Sony and Chevy. The Toyota V6 will have no timing belt, valve adjustments or a turbo to deal with and will be smooth something that the industry is forgetting as it switches to hybrid 4 bangers. The 2.0t will be the speedster and IMO from what I read the Honda 10 speed is better match for the 2.0t than the 8 speed is for the Toyota V6. Probably no bad decisions here they're all good contenders, just about what's the best fit for you.
If you are used to an Accord V6, you probably wouldn't be happy with a Camry with the base four cylinder engine. Not only is it slow (in comparison), it's quite loud when you lay into it. If you don't love it, don't buy it.Just an update. I still haven't made a firm decision. I did visit a Toyota dealer today. They can get a Camry XSE V6 in my preferred color in about 36 days. Sticker price is $40,188 and is non-negotiable. I can also get a less equipped XSE 4-cylinder for closer to $35,000. I test drove a Camry SE with the 4 cylinder and found it to be adequate but not breathtaking by any means. Could I live with it? Yes. Will I fall in love with it? Unlikely.
Is there a used Camry V6 (2018-2022) in your area that you could maybe test-drive? Full sticker price is rough- but that's somewhat offset by the fact that in a few months, you won't be able to buy a V6 Camry anymore. (Assuming that they ditch it for 2024... which they almost certainly will since that V6 doesn't seem to meet the new emission rules that are coming down the pike.).
I think I mentioned- a dealer near me is discounting some of their V6 top-end Camrys... because they seem to be laying around the lot for a while. $41k for a Camry that's about to get a major redesign is a lot of money... especially considering the fact that it's infotainment system is pretty old-school compared to most in the segment.
The blue one that I posted about on the last page of this thread is still available... and it's about $1000 off MSRP.
Go with the 2022 Accord 2.0T
So here's an update; probably the last one in this thread. I drove the 2.0T Sport again. I tried the radio and found it to be terrible in sound quality. I've also driven both a Camry XSE V6 and XSE 4 cylinder. I found the 4 cylinder to be perfectly adequate, but the seat comfort in both was a total deal breaker. The seats are horrible and hard in my opinion. I also test drove the 2023 CR-V with the new hybrid setup. While it won't win any races, it's not a horrible powertrain. I'm going to hold on to my 2017 for the time being and explore other options down the road. I might check out the 2023 Accord when it hits the lots or even the 2024 Camry, which should be redesigned. I may try to run mine to 300,000 miles, which shouldn't be hard to do. I did ask the Honda salesman to be on the lookout for any low mileage 2021 or 2021 Accord Tourings that might come in on trade in the future.
Thanks for all the input. I've enjoyed the discussions here and hope to continue contributing as an Accord owner in the future, whether it's with my current car or another one.
Thanks for all the input. I've enjoyed the discussions here and hope to continue contributing as an Accord owner in the future, whether it's with my current car or another one.
A car is a lot of money. You have to be happy with your purchase. Making no moves right now, when you are not sure whether you'd love it or not, sounds like the best move. With that said, speakers are cheap to replace. I personally wouldn't let a poor-quality audio system in a car be a deal breaker. For a few hundred dollars, you could have an audio setup better than any factory system in a Camry, Accord, etc.So here's an update; probably the last one in this thread. I drove the 2.0T Sport again. I tried the radio and found it to be terrible in sound quality. I've also driven both a Camry XSE V6 and XSE 4 cylinder. I found the 4 cylinder to be perfectly adequate, but the seat comfort in both was a total deal breaker. The seats are horrible and hard in my opinion. I also test drove the 2023 CR-V with the new hybrid setup. While it won't win any races, it's not a horrible powertrain. I'm going to hold on to my 2017 for the time being and explore other options down the road. I might check out the 2023 Accord when it hits the lots or even the 2024 Camry, which should be redesigned. I may try to run mine to 300,000 miles, which shouldn't be hard to do. I did ask the Honda salesman to be on the lookout for any low mileage 2021 or 2021 Accord Tourings that might come in on trade in the future.
Thanks for all the input. I've enjoyed the discussions here and hope to continue contributing as an Accord owner in the future, whether it's with my current car or another one.
Did you like the driving experience of the 2.0T Sport more than the Camry XSE V6? Which one did you prefer?So here's an update; probably the last one in this thread. I drove the 2.0T Sport again. I tried the radio and found it to be terrible in sound quality. I've also driven both a Camry XSE V6 and XSE 4 cylinder. I found the 4 cylinder to be perfectly adequate, but the seat comfort in both was a total deal breaker. The seats are horrible and hard in my opinion. I also test drove the 2023 CR-V with the new hybrid setup. While it won't win any races, it's not a horrible powertrain. I'm going to hold on to my 2017 for the time being and explore other options down the road. I might check out the 2023 Accord when it hits the lots or even the 2024 Camry, which should be redesigned. I may try to run mine to 300,000 miles, which shouldn't be hard to do. I did ask the Honda salesman to be on the lookout for any low mileage 2021 or 2021 Accord Tourings that might come in on trade in the future.
Thanks for all the input. I've enjoyed the discussions here and hope to continue contributing as an Accord owner in the future, whether it's with my current car or another one.
As far as driving experience, the Camry XSE V6 was superior in my opinion. For comfort, the Accord was better. Neither car checked all the boxes, and without being desperate for a car, I just decided to hold off.Did you like the driving experience of the 2.0T Sport more than the Camry XSE V6? Which one did you prefer?
Go with the car that has the Acura drivetrain. And for me the 10 speed would sway me to the Accord, it just makes the car feel special.
I’d stick with the 2017 for now and wait for the 2024, since I’m very unimpressed with the trade-in price. Add a coupla thou to the trade, like $13,000+ and if you really felt the need for the technology, and you’re okay with first year models, then fine.A local dealer has quoted me a new 2.0T Sport essentially at MSRP ($35,150) and offered $11,200 on trade for my 2017 EX-L V6 with 175,000 miles. Out the door is right at $25,700. Thoughts? I'm losing a few features from the EX-L (leather, auto dimming mirror, Homelink, memory seats) but gaining a lot of modern tech with the 2.0T Sport. I'm on the fence because while my car has been a great car, I know I'm in for quite a few repairs in the near future with another timing belt change, water pump, tires, etc. My other option is to wait for the 2023 and jump on the hybrid bandwagon, giving up a great deal of power.
Or, just buy the 2023 for MSRP, and sell the old car on auto trader dot com. If they won’t sell you the new car for MSRP, then you’ll know for sure it was a low-ball trade-in price.
Used car prices are starting to fall off the proverbial cliff. It's becoming a buyers market again.I’d stick with the 2017 for now and wait for the 2024, since I’m very unimpressed with the trade-in price. Add a coupla thou to the trade, like $13,000+ and if you really felt the need for the technology, and you’re okay with first year models, then fine.
Or, just buy the 2023 for MSRP, and sell the old car on auto trader dot com. If they won’t sell you the new car for MSRP, then you’ll know for sure it was a low-ball trade-in price.
I know I posted that I had decided to keep my 2017 EX-L V6, but with the reality that I really don't care for what I've seen so far of the 2023, the knowledge that I would have to go hybrid, and the knowledge that my car was likely a ticking time bomb for major issues, I decided to pull the trigger on a 2022 2.0T Sport. I really miss my V6 already, but the 2.0T is a beast. I'm hoping for comparable gas mileage to the V6 on my daily commute. I hope for several years of reliable service from my new ride!
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I think you’re smart to buy one of the very last ones and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Looks just like mine!
The build date is 12/22, so it has to be one of the very last 2022s before they switched over.I think you’re smart to buy one of the very last ones and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Looks just like mine!
Congrats. The 2.0t is indeed a beast of a motor. It's frustrating that Honda is ditching that option for 2023. I don't think that you'll regret your purchase. I can't imagine the 2023 Accord being a better car overall compared to the 2.0t Accord for anyone who wants a decent amount of pickup. The hybrid and 1.5t motor isn't nearly as satisfying to drive as the 2.0t... in a 10th Gen Accord... and I highly doubt that the 2023 will be any different.I know I posted that I had decided to keep my 2017 EX-L V6, but with the reality that I really don't care for what I've seen so far of the 2023, the knowledge that I would have to go hybrid, and the knowledge that my car was likely a ticking time bomb for major issues, I decided to pull the trigger on a 2022 2.0T Sport. I really miss my V6 already, but the 2.0T is a beast. I'm hoping for comparable gas mileage to the V6 on my daily commute. I hope for several years of reliable service from my new ride! View attachment 546704 View attachment 546705
You were smart to buy when you did- as the number of 2.0t Accords is rapidly decreasing by the day. The last new 2.0t in my neck of the woods got sold about two weeks ago. There are a few 2022 Sport 1.5t Accords left... but that's it around here. Local dealers aren't showing any incoming 2022s on their websites. They all show incoming 2023 models though... so that means that no more 2.0t models are likely heading for my area.
Looking at your white 2.0t Sport- I'm amazed at just how well the 10th Generation Accord has aged since 2018. The 2022 is pretty much identical (other than some very minor front-end changes in 2021)- but it still looks great- and those wheels are still absolutely beautiful. Keep those 19" beauties away from curbs!
As someone who works for a Honda dealer here’s my honest take on this. Jump on the deal if you can and don’t look back. The Accord Sport 2.0T is an amazing car, not just because of the 2.0T and 10AT but because of the Honda sensing (forward collision mitigation, lane assist, smart cruise control etc) the full LED’s light up the road at night like a Christmas tree, Apple CarPlay/Android auto looks amazing on the touch display but most of all when it comes to each generation of vehicle you want the latest model of that generation (in this case the 2022 model). Any kinks or recalls the earlier year models have are ironed out. I’m seeing zero 2.0’s hit my service department with new or reoccurring issues.
Your trade: New car inventory is still a long way from returning to normal, it may never if you want to know the truth. Though the used car market is dropping it’s still a good time to take advantage before it tanks. The disaster Carvana created (overpaying for used cars) left them stuck with too much inventory they can no longer sell at full retail. Their stock collapsed and many think they’ll be chapter 11 later this year. They’ve already started liquidating inventory for wholesale at auctions. What this does is lowers the national average of what those cars sell for so having a car with 175,000 miles is something you should get out clean while you can.
2023 Accord: The first year of a redesign may have future recalls we don’t know about yet, they will undoubtedly sell for thousands over MSRP because of the redesign hype and slow production. There won’t be any incentives on this car for a while so no honda loyalty, no low interest rates. If you can actually get sticker on a 2022 2.0T this route will save you money in the end.
Your trade: New car inventory is still a long way from returning to normal, it may never if you want to know the truth. Though the used car market is dropping it’s still a good time to take advantage before it tanks. The disaster Carvana created (overpaying for used cars) left them stuck with too much inventory they can no longer sell at full retail. Their stock collapsed and many think they’ll be chapter 11 later this year. They’ve already started liquidating inventory for wholesale at auctions. What this does is lowers the national average of what those cars sell for so having a car with 175,000 miles is something you should get out clean while you can.
2023 Accord: The first year of a redesign may have future recalls we don’t know about yet, they will undoubtedly sell for thousands over MSRP because of the redesign hype and slow production. There won’t be any incentives on this car for a while so no honda loyalty, no low interest rates. If you can actually get sticker on a 2022 2.0T this route will save you money in the end.
I actually made the deal and came out okay. The dealer I traded with beat the other dealer by about $300. I got out the door at $25,500. Not too bad, in my opinion. In better times I would have most likely saved a couple thousand more, but dealing is tough in this economy and with the inventory. The manager said he’d been instructed to move as many 22s as possible before the 23s arrive.As someone who works for a Honda dealer here’s my honest take on this. Jump on the deal if you can and don’t look back. The Accord Sport 2.0T is an amazing car, not just because of the 2.0T and 10AT but because of the Honda sensing (forward collision mitigation, lane assist, smart cruise control etc) the full LED’s light up the road at night like a Christmas tree, Apple CarPlay/Android auto looks amazing on the touch display but most of all when it comes to each generation of vehicle you want the latest model of that generation (in this case the 2022 model). Any kinks or recalls the earlier year models have are ironed out. I’m seeing zero 2.0’s hit my service department with new or reoccurring issues.
Your trade: New car inventory is still a long way from returning to normal, it may never if you want to know the truth. Though the used car market is dropping it’s still a good time to take advantage before it tanks. The disaster Carvana created (overpaying for used cars) left them stuck with too much inventory they can no longer sell at full retail. Their stock collapsed and many think they’ll be chapter 11 later this year. They’ve already started liquidating inventory for wholesale at auctions. What this does is lowers the national average of what those cars sell for so having a car with 175,000 miles is something you should get out clean while you can.
2023 Accord: The first year of a redesign may have future recalls we don’t know about yet, they will undoubtedly sell for thousands over MSRP because of the redesign hype and slow production. There won’t be any incentives on this car for a while so no honda loyalty, no low interest rates. If you can actually get sticker on a 2022 2.0T this route will save you money in the end.
Yeah it’s a matter of turn rate. The longer it takes to move units, the less you’ll be allocated from the manufacturer. I work at a volume store and even for us, every unit counts.I actually made the deal and came out okay. The dealer I traded with beat the other dealer by about $300. I got out the door at $25,500. Not too bad, in my opinion. In better times I would have most likely saved a couple thousand more, but dealing is tough in this economy and with the inventory. The manager said he’d been instructed to move as many 22s as possible before the 23s arrive.
Put a basic tune on that 2.0T and you will be making 50 more hp and a 100 foot pounds of torque more than either V6. You wont miss that engine anymore. I bought my car new with 12 miles on it and had a tune on it that night I got it. I take it to the dealer for all its service. No issues past inspection with no problems. Tunes work great on stock car. No mods needed. And a tune will actually improve your mpg just a little.....
This sounds great. I thought the MPG would be severely hampered by the Tune.Put a basic tune on that 2.0T and you will be making 50 more hp and a 100 foot pounds of torque more than either V6. You wont miss that engine anymore. I bought my car new with 12 miles on it and had a tune on it that night I got it. I take it to the dealer for all its service. No issues past inspection with no problems. Tunes work great on stock car. No mods needed. And a tune will actually improve your mpg just a little.....
Could you please advise which tune it is and the cost of it? Thanks. I'm assuming getting it installed by an independent local mechanic should work?
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