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One should only buy an intake for its sound. Any performance increase is going to be neglible from my experience. Unfortunately I don't think ANYONE has released a video yet, which is odd.
 

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I personally love the look and sound of the name branded cone filter intake on my NA Scion xB. Sure it sounds great on a turbo car.
 

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Glad to see you got everything installed and working properly! :smile

It's not accurate to make an assumption on these results. There are countless factors that play into effect when drag racing. Were temperatures and DA the same? Were the any driver errors? What was the 60ft like? Or 330 ft? or 1/8th Mile, etc. The dyno does not lie, nor do we, the results speak for themselves. We don't blame anyone for being skeptical, but these "results" are just as accurate as a butt-dyno. We'd suggest taking a look at logs if possible and going from there. It's quite possible that the car compensated for other factors (boost, timing, knock-value, etc) for a variety of reasons as well.

I've seen dyno numbers change by plus/minus several hp with back to back runs of the same car in the same conditions on the same dyno. Do you have any real world experience and track times to back up your dyno numbers?
 

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I've seen dyno numbers change by plus/minus several hp with back to back runs of the same car in the same conditions on the same dyno. Do you have any real world experience and track times to back up your dyno numbers?

I'm suspecting PRL has no real world data to back up their dyno numbers ...
 

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I think some of you are missing the point. The purpose of the intake is to compensate for other harsh/extreme conditions where the stock intake can't. If your environment is good enough for the stock intake, then, of course, you will not see any result differences. Reason aftermarket intakes don't show any real results because the stock ones can basically handle all road conditions you are in. The only way you will see the results is on a Dyno mainly. We can all agree that CAI does not provide drastic HP/TQ gains. CAIs are just to make the car run a bit more efficient and that is all. I rather invest in an intercooler upgrade rather than a CAI. And primarily, I would rather invest in a tune than any other performance mods (intake, intercooler, and exhaust system). Intakes and exhaust systems provide barely any gains and are there to just make the car look and sound more aggressive. Intercoolers are the only one I would say is worth it as it prevents heat soaks and with a tune, it will most likely be needed since your car will be running much hotter.
 

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Fully agree, exhaust and "CAI" are look at me mods with sound. That being said, I like them and always add them, but there are other mods that do more, and one should get those as well if it is important to them.

I looked at the Takeda website, and I'd say their dyno on the CAI was one of the more honest ones I have seen. I just don't believe 15-20hp from a CAI...
 

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Not making any assumptions. I tested the car stock and got a baseline result. I then retested the vehicle with the newly installed Stage 1 intake on an identical night while recreating the exact driving methods.

- Track location was the same
- Track Prep and vehicle prep were both the same
- Time of night was the same
- 93 Octane from the same gas station on both nights
- DA was the same
- 60 fts were the same
- 330 ft the same
- 1/8 mile the same...1/4 mile times the same
- it's an automatic...you step on the gas (I drove it the same)

My conclusion is there was zero difference between the stock intake and the PRL intake. If there was a difference, it was negligible.
I'm not "knocking" PRL. I like your company, I like the intake...You got the sale. But these were my results and these too do not lie.

Bone Stock Times






With Stage 1 Intake


We are talking about a ~8-15 hp mod on a ~215 hp car that is also relatively heavy, so yes the 1/4 miles results may seem "negligible" or difficult to notice. Automatic cars have cars have a tendency to ramp power inconsistently, especially when paired with a factory intercooler. You stated identical night, but this was not the same. Do you have logs of your knock control, boost level(s) and timing? Knock control values can change from day to day, tank to tank of gas, vary depending on driving styles, all affecting multiple tables such as the boost and timing mentioned earlier. We are not advertising this mod as something customers can bolt-on and expect to win races with, hence why it's called the Stage 1. We do, however, advertise that this kit provides notable gains which compete with most intake systems available on the market for a fraction of the cost. This Stage 1 design has been tried and true with the 1.5T Civic platform. 2.0T FK8 CTR platform and now the Accord platform(s). These types of debates do not happen on CivicX, as all claims have been backed up from multiple third party testers.

One should only buy an intake for its sound. Any performance increase is going to be neglible from my experience. Unfortunately I don't think ANYONE has released a video yet, which is odd.
We would not suggest purchasing an intake simply for its sound, especially on a MAF car. There are numerous videos on Facebook on the Accord pages and videos on YouTube.

I've seen dyno numbers change by plus/minus several hp with back to back runs of the same car in the same conditions on the same dyno. Do you have any real world experience and track times to back up your dyno numbers?
These number variances could be for a variety of reasons that can be explained as well. We do have real world experience, our local test cars that were used for fitment and dyno gains have driven the cars and backed up the gains. These cars are not PRL cars, they are customers' cars that were used for R&D and given back to them. It's not as if we recorded top-secret dyno footage and the cars were locked up in a vault never to be seen again.

I think some of you are missing the point. The purpose of the intake is to compensate for other harsh/extreme conditions where the stock intake can't. If your environment is good enough for the stock intake, then, of course, you will not see any result differences. Reason aftermarket intakes don't show any real results because the stock ones can basically handle all road conditions you are in. The only way you will see the results is on a Dyno mainly. We can all agree that CAI does not provide drastic HP/TQ gains. CAIs are just to make the car run a bit more efficient and that is all. I rather invest in an intercooler upgrade rather than a CAI. And primarily, I would rather invest in a tune than any other performance mods (intake, intercooler, and exhaust system). Intakes and exhaust systems provide barely any gains and are there to just make the car look and sound more aggressive. Intercoolers are the only one I would say is worth it as it prevents heat soaks and with a tune, it will most likely be needed since your car will be running much hotter.
Inefficient components such as the intake system will begin to amplify their inefficiencies and choking points as power power is made. However, basic bolt-ons such as the Stage 1 intake system should still be able to provide notable gains even in stock form. Correct, it can be difficult to notice a ~5% gain with the "butt-dyno," with such a heavy car. This is exactly why we rely on dynos for an accurate reading on where the power is applied throughout the RPMs/MPH. 5% here and there begins to add up, though, especially when messing around with engine tuners such as Hondata or KTuner.
Though we are very satisfied with our findings and price-point of the Stage 1 intake system, we would agree with you that the intercooler is one of the biggest keys to unlocking hidden power potential for any of these new turbo Honda platforms. :smile
 

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@PRL Motorsports, thanks for answering and I think this clears a lot of things for people on this thread. However, you will always have a few that don't fully understand the concept of these systems.

I am really looking forward to getting the Stage 1 for my 1.5T once it's available along with the intercooler. For now, I will have to satisfy myself with the drop-in filter.

Do you guys have any plans or dates on when the exhaust system will be available? Are you doing full catbacks or axle backs or both? I plan to go full bolt-on with your brand along with a tune... Not sure if going for Hondata or K-Tuner yet. No one has been able to convince me on which one is best. I am actually looking for an actual pro-tuner who can use either of these tuning systems and custom tune the car with all the mods to get the most gains HP/TQ at safe levels.
 

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Is there any advantage to an aftermarket intercooler if you aren't running at the drag strip and are running the factory turbo?
 

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Is there any advantage to an aftermarket intercooler if you aren't running at the drag strip and are running the factory turbo?
Based on my experience with the Mustang EcoBoost, yes there are a lot of benefits. To name a few...

1. Your air temps will be much lower which means better efficiency and hence better MPG.

2. Added power gains HP/TQ which means the car will be more responsive and when power is needed, you will have it.

3. Prevents heat soaks. This is great not just for drag racing, but for long road trips. Even though the main advantage will be taken on a drag strip.

4. Not important, but it makes the car look meaner and better, ha ha ha.

To be clear, if you plan to just drive normal and not really looking for any gains, then the stock intercooler is just fine. Aftermarket performance parts it's meant mainly for those looking for power gains and/or plan on drag racing. Even though there are others that just go for those parts to sit and look pretty at shows lol.
 

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Thanks. Turbo cars are new to me, and that is some of what I read. It would seem decreasing the air temp on the stock turbo would also be good for turbo longevity, or could be.

I am looking at doing some simple things to improve the fun factor, and intake, intercooler and lighter wheels are on the list.
 

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Thanks. Turbo cars are new to me, and that is some of what I read. It would seem decreasing the air temp on the stock turbo would also be good for turbo longevity, or could be.

I am looking at doing some simple things to improve the fun factor, and intake, intercooler and lighter wheels are on the list.
That is correct. In the end anything you add that improves temps and keeps the engine running healthier whether it be temps or overall efficiency, it will provide longetivity if maintained under normal conditions. Some people just take advantage of these gains and just rip the crap out of the car and that just throws longetivity out the window. Intercooler is the best mod TBH.... Intakes and exhaust like I mentioned previously are just low power gains and don't provide much advantages. My goal is to do intercooler, drop in high flow filter, and a tune. Intake and exhaust are at the bottom of my list unless I get a great deal from @PRL Motorsports.
 

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Is there any advantage to an aftermarket intercooler if you aren't running at the drag strip and are running the factory turbo?
Yes! Upgrading your intercooler promotes increased power potential and engine/turbocharger longevity. These engines are prone to heatsoak and upgrading the intercooler helps reduce heatsoak to allow your Accord to be reliable, retain usable power, and be responsive as possible. Spool and response are also increased due to increased flow. This is all applicable whether you're laying down record setting passes or driving your Accord to work everyday.
 

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I would agree that an Intercooler is one of the best modifications you can do to your car, performance wise.

Lower IATs, flows a higher CFM, less pressure drop, the list really goes on.

Apples to Oranges here - but when I owned my SRT4, i had a AGP FMIC on it, it was crazy big - and while driving if the ambient temp outside was 70 degrees, the IATs were 70 degrees, it was absolutely redicilous...

I live up in the great white north and im not kidding you, one day last winter when it was in the negatives, something like negative 5 degrees outside, my IATs were literally in the negatives as well - Insane difference
 

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Thanks! I think intake, intercooler and lighter Enkei wheels will be the first 3 changes. The car is already fun to drive, but mods are fun too!

I'm still on the fence for the tune, whether I want to deal with it on a car with an 84-month warranty or not.
 

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I placed my order today on eBay with their 15% off coupon! Can't wait to pair this with Hondata and a downpipe! :)
 

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I placed my order today on eBay with their 15% off coupon! Can't wait to pair this with Hondata and a downpipe! <img src="http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
I would have waited. Right now the eBay deal is just $4 cheaper since they charge a higher cost shipping. Supposedly PRL website on Friday will have the filter at 15% off. So if that is the case, then PRL's deal would be best. Anyhow very happy for you. It's a risk, but I am waiting for Friday to get mine.
 

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I placed my order today on eBay with their 15% off coupon! Can't wait to pair this with Hondata and a downpipe! <img src="http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
I would have waited. Right now the eBay deal is just $4 cheaper since they charge a higher cost shipping. Supposedly PRL website on Friday will have the filter at 15% off. So if that is the case, then PRL's deal would be best. Anyhow very happy for you. It's a risk, but I am waiting for Friday to get mine.
Either way, I’ll be happy with the product, I’m sure. The sale just gave me the extra bump I needed to make the purchase. I wasn’t aware of a PRL sale, so it is what it is. With my Flashpro unit arriving Friday, I’m excited to get the mods underway!
 

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I placed my order today on eBay with their 15% off coupon! Can't wait to pair this with Hondata and a downpipe!
I would have waited. Right now the eBay deal is just $4 cheaper since they charge a higher cost shipping. Supposedly PRL website on Friday will have the filter at 15% off. So if that is the case, then PRL's deal would be best. Anyhow very happy for you. It's a risk, but I am waiting for Friday to get mine.
Either way, I’ll be happy with the product, I’m sure. The sale just gave me the extra bump I needed to make the purchase. I wasn’t aware of a PRL sale, so it is what it is. With my Flashpro unit arriving Friday, I’m excited to get the mods underway!
Awesome!!! Yeah it didn't go on sale 😫 @PRL Motorsports. So, you did a great decision.
 
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