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Recently I got a nice minty set of 04ish TSX wheels that look like they never were used on eBay. I've been searching for the last two weeks off and on. So I've really come to the conclusion that I should ask fellow accord drivers their thoughts on tires.
Bare in mind that I live in Maryland, so we do get some snow/ice in the winter. I have the stock 16" wheels that I can toss winter rubber on if needed. I *might* just sell the stockers and put all seasons on the 17's...
For the winter/summer combo,

Summer/all season tires:
Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position
Continental ExtremeContact DWS
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity
Michelin Primacy MXV4
Yokohama AVID ENVigor

Winter (if I decide to keep the 16's):
Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D
Continental ExtremeWinterContact
Michelin X-Ice Xi2
General Altimax Arctic

I currently have the yokohama h4s on the 16's that are very close to needing replacement (next 5-7k miles). While I'm happy with the performance of these tires, I'm not as happy with the hit in gas mileage that I got. With the OE Turanza EL41's I got roughly 32-34mpg depending on how mean I am to the car. Now I get at best 32mpg. That's with ~70-80% highway driving.

I'm not too worried about the winter tires as they will be on the car ~3-5 months out of the year (that is again if I keep the 16's).


I'd like to play the ultimate balancing act here and rate my priorities:

all season performance traction... rain, snow, sunny, hot and cold. I'd like a decent feel of the road as well. I simply can't stand tires that feel like I have a giant marshmallow under each corner of the car.

Mileage... It'd be nice to get a tire on the 17's that got close to what I was able to get MPG wise with the OE set of tires.

Noise/comfort... This is an area I'm not too picky about so long as it's not super intrusive. The yokohama H4S (H rated) I found to be fine noise wise until recently. Also, while I don't want a tire that will jar me on every single bump I hit I again don't want it to feel like a Lincoln town car.

Tread life... So long as they last at least 30-40k I'm happy. Anymore then that it's a bonus. I'm pretty pleased that the H4S lasted the 35k that they have. I have a feeling they will make it to 40k.

My driving style is for the most part pretty average. Though at times I do tend to drive spirited. So I'm leaning in the direction of a good performance tire.
 

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I'm rollin' the Bridigestone Turanza Serenity's right now. Have about 10,000 miles on 'em and really like 'em. Fairly grippy and VERY QUIET, which is what I was going for. Don't notice much change in mileage from the stock Michelins (which would hydroplane if someone spit in the street) or a set of BFG Super Sport A/S that I had on for about 30,000 miles and took off early because I couldn't handle the road noise.
 

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Continental ExtremeContact DWS.
I appreciate the comment, but I'd like a bit more insight on why you're recommending them.

I'm rollin' the Bridigestone Turanza Serenity's right now. Have about 10,000 miles on 'em and really like 'em. Fairly grippy and VERY QUIET, which is what I was going for. Don't notice much change in mileage from the stock Michelins (which would hydroplane if someone spit in the street) or a set of BFG Super Sport A/S that I had on for about 30,000 miles and took off early because I couldn't handle the road noise.
Nice! :thmsup:
Do you remember what modem michelins you had?
Have you had the chance to romp around in the snow with the Turenzas yet?
 

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I have Primacy MXV4's H rated on my 05' and MXM4 V rated on the 06'. I prefer the older M4's for wet and dry grip though they are wider and have a narrower sidewall and softer compound. Can't comment on wear yet but the V4's have not worn spectacularly with normal rotation and mostly sedate driving. Looking at about 22k to the wear bars. I'm not impressed with their wet traction either as was mentioned. Going to try to get some prorating... You should check out tirerack for some tests if you haven't.
 

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I appreciate the comment, but I'd like a bit more insight on why you're recommending them.
I'd go with the Continentals too. I've been recommending them ever since they came out.

They're a great all season tire. And they meet most of your requirements....

- very good all season performance traction
- low noise
- long treadlife

Not too sure how they do in the MPG area though.

Check out Tire Rack's review as well.


I recommended the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS before and the RE970AS are it's replacements and are suppose to be better. Knowing what I know about the DWS's, I'd still go with those.

The DWS are also lighter than the RE970AS so you'll see a MPG increase with the DWS.
 

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I can't really tell you which is best. But I do have 2 of the tires on your list, so I'll give you my impressions of them.

Yokohoma Avid Envigor.
I replaced my Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position's this spring with the Yokohama's. The Envigors have very good wet and dry traction, good on center feel along with good turn in feel. I was put off at first because they felt a lot softer. I was concerned they might not handle as well (mine are H-rated) as I wanted, but I was pleased to find that they gripped well and were perfectly predictable when pushed. An offshoot is that they are quite comfortable. They are not the quietest tire I've owned, but not to the point that I would characterize them as noisy or objectionable. I really bought mine as summer tires so I can't comment on winter traction, but ratings indicate they should be fair to good. Similarly ratings indicate you should get the thread life you're looking for. I've seen no mpg decrease as a result of the tires and of course Yokohama claims they provide good mileage.

General Altimax Arctic
I've had these on my wife's 03 for 3 winters and put a set on mine last winter. That should tell you that I think they are good winter tires. I believe that most winter tires are biased toward either snow or ice performance. The Generals are probably biased toward snow since their performance in the snow is very good in my opinion. I don't have experience with other winter tires but I can't imagine anything being much better in snow. They are also very soft and squishy feeling but ride very well as a result. I found that adding an extra 4 - 5 lbs of pressure seemed to help them. And they are noisy. However I consider these drawbacks as reasonable trade offs for their grip.

To change the subject a bit. Have you considered going with 235/45-17 instead of the 215/20-17 stock size? For your all-season's of course. Presuming the TSX rims are wide enough to support them. I felt the car benefited from a slightly larger tire. Again I didn't note any significant mpg decrease as a result. Your list of choices look well researched and I'd expect that you'll be happy with your ultimate choice.
 

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I have Primacy MXV4's H rated on my 05' and MXM4 V rated on the 06'. I prefer the older M4's for wet and dry grip though they are wider and have a narrower sidewall and softer compound. Can't comment on wear yet but the V4's have not worn spectacularly with normal rotation and mostly sedate driving. Looking at about 22k to the wear bars. I'm not impressed with their wet traction either as was mentioned. Going to try to get some prorating... You should check out tirerack for some tests if you haven't.
Yeeesh! I expected much better then 22k out of the mxv4's. Normally the H rated tires last longer from what I'm lead to believe from reviews and such. I've also read similar comments regarding their wet traction or rather lack there of.

Check out the Nitto Motivo.
They look interesting:
http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6708
However they JUST came out so there aren't too many people that have them on their car yet for more then 1000-3000 or so miles. And very few if any have seen snow yet :(
Though the 60k tread-life warranty does look pretty sweet!

I'd go with the Continentals too. I've been recommending them ever since they came out.

They're a great all season tire. And they meet most of your requirements....

- very good all season performance traction
- low noise
- long treadlife

Not too sure how they do in the MPG area though.

Check out Tire Rack's review as well.


I recommended the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS before and the RE970AS are it's replacements and are suppose to be better. Knowing what I know about the DWS's, I'd still go with those.

The DWS are also lighter than the RE970AS so you'll see a MPG increase with the DWS.
I'm really leaning in the direction of the DWS. They seem to fill pretty much every want/need I have for tires. the only thing I'm fuzzy about is not much info about MPG.
Are you currently running the DWS on your accord?


I would go with all season michelin primacy
Care to elaborate on your experience with them? I'm not looking for a book, just a brief 1-5 sentence explanation on why you're recommending them and how it fits my needs.


I can't really tell you which is best. But I do have 2 of the tires on your list, so I'll give you my impressions of them.

Yokohoma Avid Envigor.
I replaced my Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position's this spring with the Yokohama's. The Envigors have very good wet and dry traction, good on center feel along with good turn in feel. I was put off at first because they felt a lot softer. I was concerned they might not handle as well (mine are H-rated) as I wanted, but I was pleased to find that they gripped well and were perfectly predictable when pushed. An offshoot is that they are quite comfortable. They are not the quietest tire I've owned, but not to the point that I would characterize them as noisy or objectionable. I really bought mine as summer tires so I can't comment on winter traction, but ratings indicate they should be fair to good. Similarly ratings indicate you should get the thread life you're looking for. I've seen no mpg decrease as a result of the tires and of course Yokohama claims they provide good mileage.

General Altimax Arctic
I've had these on my wife's 03 for 3 winters and put a set on mine last winter. That should tell you that I think they are good winter tires. I believe that most winter tires are biased toward either snow or ice performance. The Generals are probably biased toward snow since their performance in the snow is very good in my opinion. I don't have experience with other winter tires but I can't imagine anything being much better in snow. They are also very soft and squishy feeling but ride very well as a result. I found that adding an extra 4 - 5 lbs of pressure seemed to help them. And they are noisy. However I consider these drawbacks as reasonable trade offs for their grip.

To change the subject a bit. Have you considered going with 235/45-17 instead of the 215/20-17 stock size? For your all-season's of course. Presuming the TSX rims are wide enough to support them. I felt the car benefited from a slightly larger tire. Again I didn't note any significant mpg decrease as a result. Your list of choices look well researched and I'd expect that you'll be happy with your ultimate choice.
Those RE050A's are some pretty serious tires. At least in the dry. Your experience with the Envigers sounds very similar to my thoughts on the older H4S. They still do great in the rain even with only 5/32 tread remaining. They even did fairly good on i95 during the snowpocolipse a couple years back. Though at the time they had a full tread.

Thanks for the info on the General altimaxs! I figured they would be a bit squishy they are meant for severe winter conditions after all. How many PSI did you pump it up to? And how's the overall dry traction with them?

215/20-17?! :tongue:
The tsx wheels are 17x7". I'm thinking that overall the best size will be the stock 215/50-17. That's the stock size for the tsx as and the recommended +1 size on tirerack for my accord.
 

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I appreciate the comment, but I'd like a bit more insight on why you're recommending them.


Nice! :thmsup:
Do you remember what modem michelins you had?
Have you had the chance to romp around in the snow with the Turenzas yet?
The Michelins were Pilot HX MXM4. Terrible. Michelin should be ashamed. Oh well. I've done a little snow driving on a roadie to Nebraska in Dec. They seemed pretty good.
 

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The Michelins were Pilot HX MXM4. Terrible. Michelin should be ashamed. Oh well. I've done a little snow driving on a roadie to Nebraska in Dec. They seemed pretty good.
Ahh, those are kinda bad tires. The new primacy revision seems to have made them better, but I think for the price I can find something better.

Thanks also for letting me know your thoughts on the snow driving :)
 

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Ahh, those are kinda bad tires. The new primacy revision seems to have made them better, but I think for the price I can find something better.

Thanks also for letting me know your thoughts on the snow driving :)

Yes exactly... the primacy version mxm4 at least V rated is a much better tire than the pilot. I had those on another vehicle a few years back and was unimpressed as well. As far as my mxv4's I can't figure out the poor mileage, it is driven primarily by my mother and brother and they both drive like they're 70 literally.

I do all the maintenance and rotation every 5k and they have been balanced on a roadforce several times. :dunno:
 

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I'm really leaning in the direction of the DWS. They seem to fill pretty much every want/need I have for tires. the only thing I'm fuzzy about is not much info about MPG.

Are you currently running the DWS on your accord?
MPG for the DWS should be better than the others in your group due to weight.

Comparing 215/50-17 size:

Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position = 25 lbs
Continental ExtremeContact DWS = 21 lbs
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity = 26 lbs
Michelin Primacy MXV4 = 24 lbs
Yokohama AVID ENVigor = 26 lbs

You should also keep in mind that going from 16" to 17" wheels/tires will also decrease your MPG.

I'm not running the DWS. I have the Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's right now. I really wanted the DWS, but at the time they were so popular that they were back-ordered. I waited almost 3 months for them before giving up and going with the Hankook.
 

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Those RE050A's are some pretty serious tires. At least in the dry. Your experience with the Envigers sounds very similar to my thoughts on the older H4S. They still do great in the rain even with only 5/32 tread remaining. They even did fairly good on i95 during the snowpocolipse a couple years back. Though at the time they had a full tread.

Thanks for the info on the General altimaxs! I figured they would be a bit squishy they are meant for severe winter conditions after all. How many PSI did you pump it up to? And how's the overall dry traction with them?

215/20-17?! :tongue:
The tsx wheels are 17x7". I'm thinking that overall the best size will be the stock 215/50-17. That's the stock size for the tsx as and the recommended +1 size on tirerack for my accord.
I really liked the RE050A's which were also really good in the wet, but not surprisingly barely lasted 20,000 miles. The Envigor's are nearly their equal with the advantage of a better ride, no tendency to follow ruts like the Bridgestones and hopefully a longer life.

The Altimax's seem less squishy this winter. I'm not sure if it's just me or that putting some miles on them last winter helped reduce the feeling. I'm putting in about 4 - 5 lbs more than what Honda calls for on the stock tires. So probably about 36/33 front/rear. Dry traction seems ok. It's kind of hard to tell since I don't put them on till it's about 40 degrees or less and I just don't do any spirited driving in cold weather.


Oops, another typo for me. 215/50-17 was my coupe's stock size and using similar logic the 235/45-17 is the stock size tire for the TL wheels I bought. The 215's should be a worthwhile upgrade for you and should go well with he 7" rim width. One of the reasons I went with the TL wheels is that they are 8" wide which I thought was a good improvement over my stock 6.5" wheels which I felt would not allow optimal results with a wider tire.
 

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MPG for the DWS should be better than the others in your group due to weight.

Comparing 215/50-17 size:

Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position = 25 lbs
Continental ExtremeContact DWS = 21 lbs
Bridgestone Turanza Serenity = 26 lbs
Michelin Primacy MXV4 = 24 lbs
Yokohama AVID ENVigor = 26 lbs

You should also keep in mind that going from 16" to 17" wheels/tires will also decrease your MPG.

I'm not running the DWS. I have the Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's right now. I really wanted the DWS, but at the time they were so popular that they were back-ordered. I waited almost 3 months for them before giving up and going with the Hankook.
Have you had to drive in snow with the hankook's yet? Those looked like a nice summer/warm weather only kinda tire.
I'm scouring the web for more reviews on the DWS and they seem like they will be the ones I end up with. They seem to do everything I need them to be able to do. Chances are good if it snows more then a foot or so everything will be shut down regardless of what tires I have on my car. That's just the way it is here in Maryland. so decent all seasons will likely be what I end up with.


I really liked the RE050A's which were also really good in the wet, but not surprisingly barely lasted 20,000 miles. The Envigor's are nearly their equal with the advantage of a better ride, no tendency to follow ruts like the Bridgestones and hopefully a longer life.

The Altimax's seem less squishy this winter. I'm not sure if it's just me or that putting some miles on them last winter helped reduce the feeling. I'm putting in about 4 - 5 lbs more than what Honda calls for on the stock tires. So probably about 36/33 front/rear. Dry traction seems ok. It's kind of hard to tell since I don't put them on till it's about 40 degrees or less and I just don't do any spirited driving in cold weather.


Oops, another typo for me. 215/50-17 was my coupe's stock size and using similar logic the 235/45-17 is the stock size tire for the TL wheels I bought. The 215's should be a worthwhile upgrade for you and should go well with he 7" rim width. One of the reasons I went with the TL wheels is that they are 8" wide which I thought was a good improvement over my stock 6.5" wheels which I felt would not allow optimal results with a wider tire.
Thanks for the info man!! :thmsup:

What wheels exactly are you using from the TL? any pix? :biggrin:
 

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Thanks for the info man!! :thmsup:

What wheels exactly are you using from the TL? any pix? :biggrin:
You're welcome. I hope the input helps you with your decision. It certainly appears you've done your homework already.

I have the standard TL wheels. I don't recall for sure what year - maybe 06?
I have no false illusions about my TL wheels. I like their looks and they did what I wanted for a reasonable price with a perfect fit. There are much better wheels out there in terms of performance and appearance, but you have to be willing to pay the price for them. Or get a real good deal somewhere. :)

I guess my avatar is kind of small. I've exceeded my limit and can no longer post attachments so here's a here's an old picture of my car/wheels.

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?p=140404#post140404
 

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Looks great!! are you lowered at all?
I considered those weels as well, but I wanted OE wheels that were light the lightest I could find was the 2004 TSX wheels. They were supposed to be ~21lbs, but after weighing them it turned out to be 22lbs even. Everything else was ~25-28lbs per wheel :eek:

Anyway, after really considering all the choices I may just grab the DWS tires. I'm not completely 100% happy with them from some of the reviews that I've read about them being a bit squirmy. However, they fit the bill better then any other tire out there at the moment unless someone would like to say something at the last minute :p
 

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I recommended the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS before and the RE970AS are it's replacements and are suppose to be better. Knowing what I know about the DWS's, I'd still go with those.

The DWS are also lighter than the RE970AS so you'll see a MPG increase with the DWS.
I have the RE960AS on my Accord now and have been extremely happy with them other than the higher price, they are quiet, comfortable but still has a good sidewall strength so they do not flex excessively, and they really stick around corners in combination with the TL-S F/R sway bars I put in.

Oops, another typo for me. 215/50-17 was my coupe's stock size and using similar logic the 235/45-17 is the stock size tire for the TL wheels I bought. The 215's should be a worthwhile upgrade for you and should go well with he 7" rim width. One of the reasons I went with the TL wheels is that they are 8" wide which I thought was a good improvement over my stock 6.5" wheels which I felt would not allow optimal results with a wider tire.
Same reason I got the 8" winde TL rims as well (my avatar is still the old rims), I think I might even go for 245 width tires next time around, but I drive less now because I'm closer to the new(er) job so it might be a while before I need to replace these tires.

I also bought the RE970 a few months ago for my summer fun car, however that car will likely only get less than 4,000 miles a year, the tires were not quite as sticky as my RE960 likley because tires haven't been worn-in just yet, have to see what this summer is going to be like driving on these.
 

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Looks great!! are you lowered at all?
I considered those weels as well, but I wanted OE wheels that were light the lightest I could find was the 2004 TSX wheels. They were supposed to be ~21lbs, but after weighing them it turned out to be 22lbs even. Everything else was ~25-28lbs per wheel :eek:

Anyway, after really considering all the choices I may just grab the DWS tires. I'm not completely 100% happy with them from some of the reviews that I've read about them being a bit squirmy. However, they fit the bill better then any other tire out there at the moment unless someone would like to say something at the last minute :p
Thanks, you're too kind. No, it's not lowered. Actually I kind of like the idea that my car should be kind of "invisible". What is sometimes called a Q-Ship. There must be a bazillion silver Honda Accords. Silver is often the most popular color for all cars and the Accord is kind of ubiquitous. Based on the research I did on tires this spring when I was shopping I would also go with the DWS's if I didn't have winter tires. I also had some previous model all season Conti's on my last car and I liked them enough to buy a 2nd set. If you're inclined to do so, I would enjoy reading your impressions of the Conti's after you've had them for a while.

Same reason I got the 8" winde TL rims as well (my avatar is still the old rims), I think I might even go for 245 width tires next time around, but I drive less now because I'm closer to the new(er) job so it might be a while before I need to replace these tires.
You're probably right about the 245's. I thought long and hard about them each time I bought tires. They should grip well and fit fine. I was concerned about weight, mpg, and cost. Ok, ok, mostly cost. :)
 
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