[Renovatio07gsxr]

Here’s the oil report it was filled back up with Castrol Edge Extended 0w-20 with Honda oil filter.

 

[salcuta]

Did you send another report to napa labs as well? From what I've seen, Blackstone rarely shows fuel dilution, while napa and other show a higher percentage. I believe it's because Blackstone uses a different method to check that. A napa kit is 15 bucks. Half the price of the blackstone. It would be good to compare results.

 

[MJ-Sid]

Was this a sample taken from the original oil that your Accord came with from the factory?

 

[salcuta]

Was this a sample taken from the original oil that your Accord came with from the factory?

From the looks of the molly and boron high numbers, I'd say yes.

 

[Renovatio07gsxr]

Did you send another report to napa labs as well? From what I've seen, Blackstone rarely shows fuel dilution, while napa and other show a higher percentage. I believe it's because Blackstone uses a different method to check that. A napa kit is 15 bucks. Half the price of the blackstone. It would be good to compare results.

I did fill up another sample so I could send it else where.

 

[salcuta]

Try Napa and let us know.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FIL4077

 

[Flyinace2000]

Nice, i sent mine in a little over a week ago at 6600 miles

 

[RinconVTR]

Sending in factory fill for UOA is a complete waste of money. It's 100% useless.

Give it at least 1-2 changes for levels to even out and provide a usable baseline.

 

[2Accordz]

Sounds great, but what exactly were you hoping/looking for? Your car has 3,000 miles on it.
It's like sending a brand new watch in for an analysis when it's not running slow, and keeps normal time.

But...ok. I guess.

 

[dusky13]

Sending in factory fill for UOA is a complete waste of money. It's 100% useless.

Give it at least 1-2 changes for levels to even out and provide a usable baseline.

Sounds great, but what exactly were you hoping/looking for? Your car has 3,000 miles on it.
It's like sending a brand new watch in for an analysis when it's not running slow, and keeps normal time.

But...ok. I guess.

I disagree. I can't count how many times there have been "debates" on this forum over whether the factory fill oil is different from normal oil, and thus whether it should be left in until the MM says to change it. Now we know the answer. Now OP has a baseline for what the oil was like brand new, and can track all changes, whether they are from engine operation, refill oil composition, or manufacturing additives. The internet meme notwithstanding, there is no such thing as too much information.

 

[RinconVTR]

I disagree. I can't count how many times there have been "debates" on this forum over whether the factory fill oil is different from normal oil, and thus whether it should be left in until the MM says to change it. Now we know the answer. Now OP has a baseline for what the oil was like brand new, and can track all changes, whether they are from engine operation, refill oil composition, or manufacturing additives. The internet meme notwithstanding, there is no such thing as too much information.

Too much information? No. Factory fill UOA is useless information. You clearly do not understand.

Who cares what oil was used as factory fill, or if it was assembly lube was used during assembly throwing off numbers. That debate has been going since early 2000's and its a pointless debate.

It is illogical to use the break in period of an engine for UOA tracking and monitoring, and that's a fact.

That's why all labs brush off all the high numbers of these super low mile reports and wait for everything to level out with more oil changes before anything is taken seriously.

 

[zroger73]

Who cares what oil was used as factory fill, or if it was assembly lube was used during assembly throwing off numbers. That debate has been going since early 2000's and its a pointless debate.

Furthermore...

When I see Hondas making it past 400K miles on "dealership" (cheap) oil changed only when the Maintenance Minder prompts for an oil change, I can't fathom why anyone would want to waste money and resources by over-maintaining their vehicles using expensive oils that make claims of higher mileage and longer life expectancy more frequently than necessary.

How many people actually keep a vehicle that long, anyway? Very few. Most people I know rarely keep a vehicle more than 100-150K miles and many get traded off long before that.

Even if you changed your oil every 1,000 miles with some magic formulation that would allow your engine to run for a million miles, what good would that do when the rest of the vehicle will have long since disintegrated? Oil changes do nothing for rust, transmissions, air conditioners, brakes, suspension, tires, batteries, upholstery, infotainment systems, headlights, etc.

A dealer couldn't care less how often you changed the oil, if ever - as long as the engine runs smooth, doesn't smoke, and doesn't knock, they'll change the oil and sell it to someone else. The occasional private party buyer might pay a little more for a vehicle that had been over-maintained.

The psychology of marketing is a POWERFUL thing. Companies selling oil and services like to put fear in people and take advantage of their lack of knowledge.

I come from a family of mechanics and grew up maintaining and repairing all kinds of vehicles from mopeds to trucks. I'm not saying to go out and buy no-brand oil from the dollar store and change it only after the engine starts knocking, but there's absolutely no reason for 99.9% of owners to use anything other than the oil recommend by the manufacturer changed at the interval indicated by the oil life monitor.

 

[Flyinace2000]

Just got my results for my 6000 mile oil change. OIl minder was at 20%.

Don't worry about the extra metal and silicon in this sample. Those are both normal finds in factory
oil, just from break-in of new parts and silicone sealers washing out. It'll take a couple oil changes, but wear
should soon resemble averages, which show typical wear after about 6,000 miles of oil use. The viscosity
fell in range of a 0W/20 and the trace of fuel dilution is small enough to be harmless and from normal use.
The TBN is plenty strong at 2.7 since 1.0 or less is low. You should see progress even on a longer run, so
feel free to try 8,000 miles next time. Nice Honda!

 

[cookieman214]

Furthermore...

When I see Hondas making it past 400K miles on "dealership" (cheap) oil changed only when the Maintenance Minder prompts for an oil change...

What is "dealership" (cheap) oil?

I'm confused, please explain.

 

[zroger73]

What is "dealership" (cheap) oil?

I'm confused, please explain.

"Dealership oil" is my term for the lowest-priced, bulk oil available from local suppliers that dealerships use in customers' vehicles that (possibly) meets Honda's minimum specifications.

I don't know of any dealership that actually uses Honda-branded oil unless you specifically request it and pay extra for it. Even then, I wouldn't trust that's what was used unless I personally watched them open sealed quarts and pour it in.

 

[qman]

Furthermore...

When I see Hondas making it past 400K miles on "dealership" (cheap) oil changed only when the Maintenance Minder prompts for an oil change, I can't fathom why anyone would want to waste money and resources by over-maintaining their vehicles using expensive oils that make claims of higher mileage and longer life expectancy more frequently than necessary.

I can. Changing my oil every 15,000 miles is much nicer than doing it at half that. It levels out the idea that I'm using "expensive oils".

 

[zroger73]

I can. Changing my oil every 15,000 miles is much nicer than doing it at half that. It levels out the idea that I'm using "expensive oils".

Oil still needs to be changed due to dilution and contamination no matter what kind you use. I'm sure Honda would love to promote 15K oil changes, but that's not in the best interest of the engine's longevity.

Changing the oil at twice the recommend interval is grounds for warranty denial. The manual does not say, "If you're using a higher-quality engine oil than specified, you may skip every other oil change indicated by the Maintenance Minder".

 

[2Accordz]

"Dealership oil" is my term for the lowest-priced, bulk oil available from local suppliers that dealerships use in customers' vehicles that (possibly) meets Honda's minimum specifications.

I don't know of any dealership that actually uses Honda-branded oil unless you specifically request it and pay extra for it. Even then, I wouldn't trust that's what was used unless I personally watched them open sealed quarts and pour it in.

I'm not sure about my local Honda dealer, but I know when I worked for Acura they did in fact use Honda oil for all the bulk oil in the Acuras(and Honda used cars)..
Now that I'm back working for Audi again, they also use Castrol exclusively because that's what Audi recommends for their vehicles. VW, also.

I agree with your larger point that it's more about changing the oil than worrying what your TBN is...I've got 170K on my '06 coupe and there has been times when I've switched around brands, and weights a bit. Most oil sold(unless it's pure junk)meets the spec for any engine Honda makes.
If you listen to the "new hype" about these "20k" oil changes and the oil manufacturers claim that they'll "warranty or guaranty this or that", I think that's something probably a heck of a lot more risky than using joe blow's oil and changing it when the MM says so.

At the end of the day, I'm going to do what my manufacturer says to do...that way, they can't tell me that I didn't follow "their recommendation", if something happens to my engine.

 

[qman]

Oil still need to be changed due to dilution and contamination no matter what kind you use. I'm sure Honda would love to promote 15K oil changes, but that's not in the best interest of the engine's longevity.

Changing the oil at twice the recommend interval is grounds for warranty denial. The manual does not say, "If you're using a higher-quality engine oil than specified, you may skip every other oil change indicated by the Maintenance Minder".

No, but the manual does say I can go 10,000 miles on oil and 20,000 on the filter. I figure pushing things out to 15,000 on each is no problem when using higher quality engine oil. Plus I don't see the risk when I keep seeing folks post their oil analysis results with 12-13,000 miles on it and Blackstone is telling them they still have 5K more. Anyone doing changes at 7500 is throwing away dough.

Plus, I have three 7th Gens. Warranty isn't something I worry about.

 

[RickBlaine]

Most important: Check your oil level frequently and especially immediately before and after an oil change. New car, used car, regardless if you use Quaker State, Royal Purple, the dealer's conventional oil, etc.....check your oil level.

I've been on DriveAccord for a while and have not read one single post about an engine failure based on this or that brand of oil. But I've read plenty of posts from people with blown engines because they let the oil level get low.