[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

OK, I bought a closeout 2015 in 2016, to follow on my 2013. Nice model. But as I recall the 8th and 9th gen were just about the same to sit in, same greenhouse dimensions.

Be that as it may I just sat in the 10th gen, and it definitely feels different from the 8th gen. Like the hood is higher, or the seating lower, the vertical dimension of the windshield an inch or so less and maybe more inclined. Does that sound right?

I finally managed to get comfortable so I guess the difference isn't huge but it does seem different. Anyone have observations or advice along these lines? Thanks.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

Just revisited the dealer. Opened the hood to see the turbo - and I guess what they needed is another inch or two vertical right at the front, so they raised the whole thing.

So the hood is higher, the bottom of the windshield is higher, and I think the top of the windshield is fractionally lower, too. The only "answer" is to put the seat all the way up and as far forward as you can tolerate, and it's still worse than the previous models.

This is very irritating.

Actually the Civic seems to have slightly better visibility because the seat is closer to the windshield to begin and I didn't look but the hood may be slightly lower, too. That would be a fine kettle of fish, if the Civic (which is mostly the same car anyway) is a better design than the Accord. And the Civic comes in a hatchback.

... and similarly equipped is nearly the same price anyway.

I'm peeved.

 

[tripower]

Honestly, I didn't notice much of difference or am generally indifferent to such things. I can always adjust the seat and telescoping wheel to get comfy. I id notice that the side glass is much narrower than the 8G and the door panel does seem to ride up higher on the 10G.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

I remain peeved, I'm going out there with a yardstick and tape measure.

One of the things that has characterized the Hondas for decades is their open, high-visibility design. They already compromised that a lot in the Acura ILX, I sat in that and could not believe it, walked away and never looked back. They do a lot of wrong things like that in the Acura line, which I take it is next to dead now.

I see no new Accords on the road here in Los Angeles, it's all Civics. I've read that Honda sales are down, Accord sales are down, sedan sales are down. But the Civics seem to be selling like hotcakes.

Y'know, that was basically the death knell for General Motors back in the 1980s, they started using the exact same platform across badges and even across models within a badge, so there were no choices and bad design took down the entire company. Too many bean counters, too few concerns with the product. I suppose it saves some money, but when you're making millions of vehicles the amount saved isn't likely that great, and the sales you lose out of boredom offsets it.

 

[14v6]

Not too much you can do about it if you can't adjust it to get comfortable. At least you are paying attention now before you purchase. My mom had a G37X that I would have to put the seat on the floor to avoid hitting my head on the mirror, it was terrible. I would never think to pay attention to this type of stuff always thinking that there is adjustability but I have learned as the cars get lower and interiors have a tendency to surround the driver more these days.

 

[slimm1469]

The only two cars I've ever been comfortable in were an older Volvo and and much older Mercedes. I'm 6-1 which really isn't THAT tall, and the telescoping steering wheel in the 8th gen doesn't come out far enough.

 

[2018TwoPointOh]

The car is a complete design (for the better, IMO). Comparing it to your existing car with a yardstick just tells me you're currently in the right car, and that the 10th gen isn't for you.

Generally speaking, cars have been moving toward higher beltlines for design and safety reasons for at least 10 years. I don't expect you'll see that direction reverse in the near future.

Have you driven any crossovers or SUVs? I bet they'd be more suitable for you.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

Have you driven any crossovers or SUVs? I bet they'd be more suitable for you.

Well, like everyone, I keep looking at them. I've checked the specs on the HRV and CRV. Lots of nice little crossovers on the market to look at. Would like to sit six inches higher. BUT I know it neither handles as well nor gets the mileage. May or may not ride as well.

Just checking specs, the Kia Optima and Hyundai Sonata are two inches taller than the new Accord. And I think their hoods are not as bloated.

Maybe I can still pick up a new 2017 somewhere cheap, especially if I liked black. Hah.

Looks like the hood is about 38" off the ground at the windshield, and it's hard to know where to measure the front, and hard to measure accurately, but it looks about 33" high where the headlight sits. I'm guessing the new one is more like 39" at the windshield and no lower than 35" at the front. See if I can find a 2018 to measure, drop by a dealer with my yardstick. Must be some way to do this photographically, huh.

Oh, and I thought I saw an actual 2018 Accord drive by, I think it was anyway, do they come in fire engine red? ... maybe it was an Audi or something.

 

[2018TwoPointOh]

Well, like everyone, I keep looking at them. I've checked the specs on the HRV and CRV. Lots of nice little crossovers on the market to look at. Would like to sit six inches higher. BUT I know it neither handles as well nor gets the mileage. May or may not ride as well.

If you're not opposed to driving a Nissan, take a look at the Murano. Surprisingly nice interior, drives nice, and it might be a comfortable height for you.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

If you're not opposed to driving a Nissan, take a look at the Murano. Surprisingly nice interior, drives nice, and it might be a comfortable height for you.

I've admired the Murano for a long time. In some other life I might be driving one. Well, maybe in this life too. It's like four lounge chairs on wheels.

Meanwhile, here's a nice spy shot of the new 2019 two-door Accord:

 

[deadduck]

It's definitely low. I wish the Touring or even EX's came without a moonroof because it would have added 1-1/2 inches to the roof and a higher seating position. But, that said, it's mostly OK once you've driven it awhile.

Sure feels weird at first.

 

[2018TwoPointOh]

I've admired the Murano for a long time. In some other life I might be driving one. Well, maybe in this life too. It's like four lounge chairs on wheels.

Meanwhile, here's a nice spy shot of the new 2019 two-door Accord:

If you ever get a chance to pick one of those up in that condition for the price of an Accord, grab it!!

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

I just went out and measured some random (current model) electric blue Civic that's parked across the street, the hood at the windshield is about 37, an inch lower than my Gen8 Accord, and the hood at the headlight looks like about 31, two inches lower. Figuring the current Accord is *higher* on both of these measurements - why? It's the same engine compartment. If the wheelbase is a little longer you wouldn't think that requires moving the engine further *forward*. Or higher.

Maybe leftover spacing in case they want to drop a turbo-6 in there at some point, hey, but that doesn't excuse where the four is now.

 

[mbk734]

You had a 2013, 2015, and now might get a 2017? Interdasting!
A lot of people are complaining about the 2018 (or maybe the people praising it are quiet) and it's not selling well. Many reviewers say it is still best in class despite the Camry outselling it by a huge margin.
They can't make a car that fits or pleases everyone. A Camry, Sonata, or Mazda 6 may suit you better.
Nothing wrong with keeping a 9th Gen for a long time either.

 

[tripower]

I see no new Accords on the road here in Los Angeles, it's all Civics. I've read that Honda sales are down, Accord sales are down, sedan sales are down. But the Civics seem to be selling like hotcakes.

Oh, and I thought I saw an actual 2018 Accord drive by, I think it was anyway, do they come in fire engine red? ... maybe it was an Audi or something.

C'mon now, I'm in SoCal and I've seen several 18 Accords on the road. I have mistaken a few Civics for Accords as well... LOL Most Civics sold are the mid-range modes so they are cheaper than Accords and get better mileage so it's no wonder there are so many sold. I see way more Corollas than Camrys on the road for the same reason.

Meanwhile, here's a nice spy shot of the new 2019 two-door Accord:

Looks like a 71 or 72...Nice!

 

[meowcat]

I remain peeved, I'm going out there with a yardstick and tape measure.

One of the things that has characterized the Hondas for decades is their open, high-visibility design. They already compromised that a lot in the Acura ILX, I sat in that and could not believe it, walked away and never looked back. They do a lot of wrong things like that in the Acura line, which I take it is next to dead now.

I see no new Accords on the road here in Los Angeles, it's all Civics. I've read that Honda sales are down, Accord sales are down, sedan sales are down. But the Civics seem to be selling like hotcakes.

Y'know, that was basically the death knell for General Motors back in the 1980s, they started using the exact same platform across badges and even across models within a badge, so there were no choices and bad design took down the entire company. Too many bean counters, too few concerns with the product. I suppose it saves some money, but when you're making millions of vehicles the amount saved isn't likely that great, and the sales you lose out of boredom offsets it.

Yes, Honda's were famous for their open, "greenhouse" view. The lower belt line is/was amazing. For many years I couldn't quite put my finger on why I was so attracted to Honda's but I'm thinking it's the "greenhouse" effect.

Platform sharing between models is not what took GM down. As a matter of fact, platform sharing is a good thing. That's why it's become global, now. If it weren't for platform sharing, your Accord would cost about $50k
When you're making millions of vehicles, that's when platform sharing really shines. More profit for the manufacturer, and lower costs to consumers. The more cars you build, the more both parties win.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

Platform sharing between models is not what took GM down.

Of course there were other factors, but it killed off the badges. Same at Ford.

Then it took the Japanese to expand one line into two, Nissan/Infinity, Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura. With Honda being the least successful, by far.

Though the first Acuras, the Legends and Integras, were great. I even liked my 1999 CL. Not to mention the NSX.

People have been saying for years now that the current Honda is so big, they're losing the spirit of the old days. Still doing great stuff but the bean counters keep nibbling away at the fun stuff and sometimes bite a little too deep.

I'm a little peeved at how close the Civic is to the Accord, while we're talking platform sharing. Sure it saves money, every dollar counts, either for the customer or for the manufacturer (or the dealer). But again it nibbles away at the actual amount of choices involved, and then forces them to make some poor decisions about the Accord to pretend to differentiate it. "Make the hood bigger!" has been the design rule to convert a Honda into an Acura, and that's kind of what they now did to differentiate the Accord from the Civic. That's not a functional change at all, it almost has to miss as much as it hits.

 

[meowcat]

Of course there were other factors, but it killed off the badges. Same at Ford.

Then it took the Japanese to expand one line into two, Nissan/Infinity, Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura. With Honda being the least successful, by far.

Though the first Acuras, the Legends and Integras, were great. I even liked my 1999 CL. Not to mention the NSX.

People have been saying for years now that the current Honda is so big, they're losing the spirit of the old days. Still doing great stuff but the bean counters keep nibbling away at the fun stuff and sometimes bite a little too deep.

I'm a little peeved at how close the Civic is to the Accord, while we're talking platform sharing. Sure it saves money, every dollar counts, either for the customer or for the manufacturer (or the dealer). But again it nibbles away at the actual amount of choices involved, and then forces them to make some poor decisions about the Accord to pretend to differentiate it. "Make the hood bigger!" has been the design rule to convert a Honda into an Acura, and that's kind of what they now did to differentiate the Accord from the Civic. That's not a functional change at all, it almost has to miss as much as it hits.

In all fairness, let's be realistic. Although the new Accord does in fact share a platform with the Civic, keep in mind, it also shares one with the CRV. All three of them couldn't be more different.

 

[LXCLEXEXLGuy]

Went to the dealer with a yardstick and - as best I can tell, the hood height is the same as on previous models, so any beltline/visibility issues are strictly with the seating height and windshield dimensions. Which I suspect are also very close to the old ones. But the fractions of an inch here and there still add up for me.

For comparison I sat in a Civic hatchback. Forward visibility seemed slightly better. Visibility out the back, however, is partially obstructed by the wind wing and wiper. Ich. Time for a video rear-view mirror.

Heck, why don't they just do that for the Accord, too, I mean the windshield. Just paint it over and use a video screen, no hood dimension problems at all. Drive your car in VR.