[SteveBurns]

Hi

I'm a new owner of a 2008 Accord Ex V6 Auto

But I am having problems. Early on there was an issue with the transmission, a harsh jumping while going into first gear and lag on other gears. After many trips to the dealer and them denying the problem existed, (the computer doesn't see an issue) I got them to test drive it in the morning after leaving the car over night. Finally it was verified so they replaced it.

Everything is still not well, there is this slight jump, not as harsh as before, and the transmission lags when moving between gear, (you will see the rpms increase before dropping) more like it jumps through them. As well as something new, vibration. After starting the car for about 5 mins or so the whole car vibrates. This happens even after going for drive and parking for 20mins and start it again.. very bizzare.

I haven't had much luck at the dealer, I think they know what the issue is but don't want to deal with it, so I am considering going to a 3rd part to investigate.

If anyone can offer some help it would be appreciated. This is not what I expected from a brand new car of any make/model.


Thanks

Steve

 

[09^CBP^6MT]

Where are you located? Have you went to, or contacted any other dealers for help? How many miles on the car right now?

 

[superballz00]

Hi

I'm a new owner of a 2008 Accord Ex V6 Auto

But I am having problems. Early on there was an issue with the transmission, a harsh jumping while going into first gear and lag on other gears. After many trips to the dealer and them denying the problem existed, (the computer doesn't see an issue) I got them to test drive it in the morning after leaving the car over night. Finally it was verified so they replaced it.

Everything is still not well, there is this slight jump, not as harsh as before, and the transmission lags when moving between gear, (you will see the rpms increase before dropping) more like it jumps through them. As well as something new, vibration. After starting the car for about 5 mins or so the whole car vibrates. This happens even after going for drive and parking for 20mins and start it again.. very bizzare.

I haven't had much luck at the dealer, I think they know what the issue is but don't want to deal with it, so I am considering going to a 3rd part to investigate.

If anyone can offer some help it would be appreciated. This is not what I expected from a brand new car of any make/model.


Thanks

Steve

How much is the RPM increasing between shifts? 200-300 should be normal if you have the throttle wide open. Vibration could be a broken motor mount but that usually lessens once you are in gear.

 

[09^CBP^6MT]

V6 auto, how did I miss that. Your car has the active motor mounts to compensate for the VCM vibrations. They might of screwed up the mounts on the swap. Chances are, for your tranny swap they dropped the front sub frame out of the body.

 

[SteveBurns]

Hey 90 CBP 6MT

I am in the Toronto area. I took the car to my original dealer (3 times), they were no help. Found a better dealer, but still service is still lacking...I only deal with the service manager now. Your motor mount suggestion sounds interesting. I will mention it to the for vibration.

 

[09^CBP^6MT]

I have said before and I will repeat....for the best results with a dealer, sit/stand on the show room floor and bitch about the issues with your BRAND NEW CAR! You are already dealing with management so good job on that. Don't be shy with dealers, they will push you around. Next I would call the regional customer rep and let him know what is going on. Get his name so when you talk to the dealer you can put them on notice it has come to the attention of their boss. TAKE EXCELLENT NOTES! Ask everyone you talk to what there name is and position and write it down. How many miles on the car?

 

[SteveBurns]

Hey Superballz

The rpms jump up to about half (500) but not all the time, this would be normal driving conditions (city driving). For example around 2k rpms, just before shifting it continues up to 2.5 k then jumps down. It seems late and feels late, it creates a rocking motion to the car since it hangs onto the rpm late it pushs the car forward then as it suddenly drops the rpm it pulls the car back... this gets worse when pushing the car.

Any other cars I have driven the rpm just drop when it reaches the shift point not after and is very smooth, this is not.

Thanks

 

[SteveBurns]

Hey 09 CBP 6MT

I have keep very good notes/logs on the car =) My next step is to go to a third party (mechanic) or a transmission shop just to discuss and see what they think.

Yes next after that is to rattle some chains at Honda (believe it or not the head office for Canada is down the street from my house so I can pay them a visit)

I only have 13,000 K's (not sure in miles) the transmission was replaced at about 8000.


Thanks

 

[MSchu]

How is a "Jerk/Jump" when engaging 1st gear NOT normal?

Most Automatic cars "Lurch" or jump when engaging the transmission from neutral.

V6 auto, how did I miss that. Your car has the active motor mounts to compensate for the VCM vibrations. They might of screwed up the mounts on the swap. Chances are, for your tranny swap they dropped the front sub frame out of the body.

All V6 accords(auto and manual) have the active mounts unfortunately, regardless of VCM or lack of it

 

[AznCaliThug09]

i smell a LEMON!!!!!

 

[09^CBP^6MT]

All V6 accords(auto and manual) have the active mounts unfortunately, regardless of VCM or lack of it

Where did you hear that? Common knowledge is the VCM kills power, another reason the 6mt is so much quicker without it.
Incorrect my friend, only v6 autos (VCM equipped cars) get active mounts.:thumbsup:

Coupe specs......http://automobiles.honda.com/news/press-releases-article.aspx?Category=General&Article=4102

 

[Fredsvt]

Steve,

Does the rpm "flare" when it shifts? For example, you're at 2500 in 2nd gear, and as it shifts to 3rd, the rpm climbs, or jumps up momentarily, with no forward motion, then goes into the next gear.

If the original transmission had this issue, and now the new one does, I highly doubt the transmission is the issue. There could be wiring issues, ground issues or a bad PCM, the PCM is what controls the trans.

 

[SteveBurns]

WHAT! I'm sorry that is no way correct. I've driven (owned) enough cars to know, sure some might have different characteristics but mechanically any efficiency you lose will effect preforemance.

This jerk/jump was enough to push you outta the seat a little, and the transfer of a gear shift shouldn't move the car, and should be hardly noticable, this was.

How is a "Jerk/Jump" when engaging 1st gear NOT normal?

Most Automatic cars "Lurch" or jump when engaging the transmission from neutral.



All V6 accords(auto and manual) have the active mounts unfortunately, regardless of VCM or lack of it

 

[SteveBurns]

Hey Fred

Thanks for the feedback. Yes at times when shifting the next gear it holds onto the rpms or the rpms jump then it shift and rpms drop. It's like there is a mis match between the rpms and when the gear should change.

I think you are on to something. The last time I spoke with the service manager he was thinking the computer (I guess this is the PCM) might be the issue since it was not replaced when the transmission was.

I went to a transmission shop and the owner there said I should write down all the symptons, then leave my car with the dealer for a few days so they can drive it like I would.


Thanks

Steve

Steve,

Does the rpm "flare" when it shifts? For example, you're at 2500 in 2nd gear, and as it shifts to 3rd, the rpm climbs, or jumps up momentarily, with no forward motion, then goes into the next gear.

If the original transmission had this issue, and now the new one does, I highly doubt the transmission is the issue. There could be wiring issues, ground issues or a bad PCM, the PCM is what controls the trans.

 

[inspire08]

I have a 2009 Accord Sedan V6EXL with 10k miles, I have the same problem. I took it to the dealer and they could not duplicate the problem, I even went to the shop foreman and we drove the car for half an hour and nothing. Dealer dooesnt know whats going on, I know exactly what you mean when the car jerks or slipping gears on first it feels like its ready to shift into second but jumps/jerks. Do you have the same issue as far as when the car is on P and shift it into other gears, loud noise coming from the transmission.

 

[Blitzfist]

Hey Superballz

The rpms jump up to about half (500) but not all the time, this would be normal driving conditions (city driving). For example around 2k rpms, just before shifting it continues up to 2.5 k then jumps down. It seems late and feels late, it creates a rocking motion to the car since it hangs onto the rpm late it pushs the car forward then as it suddenly drops the rpm it pulls the car back... this gets worse when pushing the car.

Any other cars I have driven the rpm just drop when it reaches the shift point not after and is very smooth, this is not.

Thanks

This is a transmission slip. generally when this starts to occur, its only a matter of time before your tranny is toast. Check the tranny fluid and see if it is pink. If it is brown and/or smells burnt that means the clutches are wearing out and transmission failure is on the way. If your fluid shows these symptoms it may prove to the dealer that your transmission is failing.

The odds are that your transmission isn't toast being that they just replaced it and it has the same issues. I'd have them check/replace your TCM. A bad TCM could be telling the transmission to shift improperly causing your slip.

Hope that helps

 

[benzo]

WRITE (do not call)A LETTER to honda requesting a replacement vehicle. include why you feel that way. The car qualifies for lemon law after 3 attempts to fix the issue at hand. That would be the next step for me.

 

[SteveBurns]

Hi inspire08

I have not been able to get back here.. ok what I did was leave the car over night at the dealer and then meet with them in morning and drive the car when cold. Then they will see the issue. They will also want to put the computer on it and check error codes but he issue is not enough for a warning light to come on so no error to the computer.

I have more issues with this car I will post soon.

Good luck

Steve

 

[SteveBurns]

This is a transmission slip. generally when this starts to occur, its only a matter of time before your tranny is toast. Check the tranny fluid and see if it is pink. If it is brown and/or smells burnt that means the clutches are wearing out and transmission failure is on the way. If your fluid shows these symptoms it may prove to the dealer that your transmission is failing.

The odds are that your transmission isn't toast being that they just replaced it and it has the same issues. I'd have them check/replace your TCM. A bad TCM could be telling the transmission to shift improperly causing your slip.

Hope that helps

Hi Blitzfist

Yes it does, the more info I have the better armed at the dealer I am. They don't seem to tell you much.

Currently my car is in the shop since Monday more issues. They are replacing the PCM, (is this the same as the TCM?) This I am told is the computer controlling the engine and transmission. I am not sure how this will help the jerkiness or slipping.

What worries me is they took a week to figure out what to replace (PCM) They decided to put in a new year model version (2009 PCM) Now they tell me they can't figure out how to program it for my car????

I am trying to make lemonaid but it's not working....

Steve

 

[SteveBurns]

WRITE (do not call)A LETTER to honda requesting a replacement vehicle. include why you feel that way. The car qualifies for lemon law after 3 attempts to fix the issue at hand. That would be the next step for me.

I am moving in that direction now, I have contacted my lawyer. I live in the great white north, Canada and we do not have a lemon law but an arbitration system with the government to bring both parties to the table and find a solution. The letter is a great idea since no on does that these days.

Thanks

Steve