[CANADIANBOY25]

Hi

I got into an accident head on. Someone hit another car then hit me as well.

Head on collision

Other car both airbags.
My car only passenger side.

Can I ask honda why my driver side did not come out? Was the impact not strong enough?

Also believe a lot of damage was prevented because of the ACE Body.

 

[Jlane1291]

I was also in an accident and it was relatively high impact, however neither one of the air bags opened either.

 

[trickbiker121]

Wow looking at the pics it gives me the chills. Glad to see your OK. The airbag should of went off since most of the impact was on the drivers side. This doesn't look right and you should demand an answer by Honda. Your life was on the line.

EDIT: just read this on Honda's website. "All Honda models are equipped with dual-stage, multiple-threshold front airbags (SRS). These airbags are capable of being inflated at different rates depending on crash severity, seat-belt usage and/or other factors. Frontal airbags are designed to supplement the seat belts to help reduce the likelihood of head and upper body injuries in frontal crashes."
So it seems that you didn't jolt forward as much as your passenger.
http://corporate.honda.com/safety/details.aspx?id=technology

 

[II Kings 9:20]

Glad you're OK. Airbag deployment has nothing to do with you jolting forward.

There are sensors that determine the force of the crash.

Looking at the damage, I'm surprised either airbag deployed and would say the impact was not strong enough.

The front structure did it's job and I expect that both front doors could open, there does not even appear to be any rearward movement of the fender.

Looks can be deceiving, p. 45 of the owners manual has the answer to your question and details impact forces that cause deployment.

If you did not have a passenger in the car, the pass airbag should NOT have gone off. It is deactivated with 65 pounds or less in the seat. .

 

[raptors nation]

Hi

I got into an accident head on. Someone hit another car then hit me as well.

Head on collision

Other car both airbags.
My car only passenger side.

Can I ask honda why my driver side did not come out? Was the impact not strong enough?

Also believe a lot of damage was prevented because of the ACE Body.

is this accident in finch ave and steeles? and that looks painful, did the other car came on the opposite road?

 

[CANADIANBOY25]

I was also in an accident and it was relatively high impact, however neither one of the air bags opened either.

Wow looking at the pics it gives me the chills. Glad to see your OK. The airbag should of went off since most of the impact was on the drivers side. This doesn't look right and you should demand an answer by Honda. Your life was on the line.

EDIT: just read this on Honda's website. "All Honda models are equipped with dual-stage, multiple-threshold front airbags (SRS). These airbags are capable of being inflated at different rates depending on crash severity, seat-belt usage and/or other factors. Frontal airbags are designed to supplement the seat belts to help reduce the likelihood of head and upper body injuries in frontal crashes."
So it seems that you didn't jolt forward as much as your passenger.
http://corporate.honda.com/safety/details.aspx?id=technology

Glad you're OK. Airbag deployment has nothing to do with you jolting forward.

There are sensors that determine the force of the crash.

Looking at the damage, I'm surprised either airbag deployed and would say the impact was not strong enough.

The front structure did it's job and I expect that both front doors could open, there does not even appear to be any rearward movement of the fender.

Looks can be deceiving, p. 45 of the owners manual has the answer to your question and details impact forces that cause deployment.

If you did not have a passenger in the car, the pass airbag should NOT have gone off. It is deactivated with 65 pounds or less in the seat. .

Thanks for all your Help guys.

Do you think it will be cheaper to fix the car or would they total it? One airbag deployed front looks like it can easily be fixed. There was leaks as well.

 

[karfreek]

Glad you're OK. Airbag deployment has nothing to do with you jolting forward.

There are sensors that determine the force of the crash.

Looking at the damage, I'm surprised either airbag deployed and would say the impact was not strong enough.

The front structure did it's job and I expect that both front doors could open, there does not even appear to be any rearward movement of the fender.

Looks can be deceiving, p. 45 of the owners manual has the answer to your question and details impact forces that cause deployment.

If you did not have a passenger in the car, the pass airbag should NOT have gone off. It is deactivated with 65 pounds or less in the seat.[\b] .

That is not entirely true. If the air bag "off" light is not illuminated the passengers air bag could deploy, even if no one is in it. I don't understand the logic, I just know it's that way.

Jay

 

[II Kings 9:20]

That is not entirely true. If the air bag "off" light is not illuminated the passengers air bag could deploy, even if no one is in it. I don't understand the logic, I just know it's that way.

Jay

See the last paragraph from the OM.

 

[II Kings 9:20]

Thanks for all your Help guys.

Do you think it will be cheaper to fix the car or would they total it? One airbag deployed front looks like it can easily be fixed. There was leaks as well.

Hard call but I suspect the insurance co will want to fix it.

If it's the other driver's fault, I would see if you can get compensation for reduced value in addition to the repair.

This crash and airbag deployment will show up on Carfax and your pool of buyers will drop by 90% or more. There are people who refuse to buy a car that's been in a wreck especially if hard enough to pop an airbag. Those who are willing to buy, will not pay anywhere close to what you think you should get.

I sold an MDX that had a minor wreck where the wheel was damaged and CarMax used that as their excuse to give me $1,500 less than the Acura dealer.

 

[karfreek]

See the last paragraph from the OM.

Understood. But, I know people with late model Hondas and other makes that got into accidents with no one in the passengers seat and the air bag went off.

A friend just totaled her late model Oddy when someone ran a stop sign on a backroad intersection. No one in the passengers seat, passengers air bag went off.

Another friend had a Silverado that was totaled when someone took a left right in-front of him. No one in the passengers seat, it went off.

I operate in the notion that thing is live and ready to blow at anytime.

Jay

 

[Amar]

shoot, glad your fine, let insurance take its course let them fix it, the leak is probably coolant. It can be fixed don't worry

 

[II Kings 9:20]

Understood. But, I know people with late model Hondas and other makes that got into accidents with no one in the passengers seat and the air bag went off.

A friend just totaled her late model Oddy when someone ran a stop sign on a backroad intersection. No one in the passengers seat, passengers air bag went off.

Another friend had a Silverado that was totaled when someone took a left right in-front of him. No one in the passengers seat, it went off.

I operate in the notion that thing is live and ready to blow at anytime.

Jay

I agree, assume it is live just like assuming a gun is loaded. Any of those stories about the bag going off when it's not supposed to is erroneous deployment and not the way modern day bags are designed.

 

[ltxi]

Assuming you were wearing a seat belt and didn't get hurt I'd be grateful the airbag didn't deploy. As my wife once discovered they can do more damage to a belted in driver than they prevent.

 

[GradyPhilpott]

I agree, assume it is live just like assuming a gun is loaded. Any of those stories about the bag going off when it's not supposed to is erroneous deployment and not the way modern day bags are designed.

I was in an accident in 2003 in my 6th generation Accord in which the passenger's side airbag deployed but the drivers' side did not.

The car was totaled and I was in physcial therapy for 6 months.

Honda said that the passenger's side bag deployed because the seatbelt was not latched.

Of course, I'm not sure what you mean by modern. Perhaps things were different then.

Assuming you were wearing a seat belt and didn't get hurt I'd be grateful the airbag didn't deploy. As my wife once discovered they can do more damage to a belted in driver than they prevent.

Honda did say that the force sensors don't deploy the bag in some cases to prevent injury caused by the bag.

 

[ObsidianEX-L]

Your frame is possibly compromised. Look how the passenger door doesn't look shut tightly. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't total, but you need to call Honda or insurance and have them investigate why your driver air bag didn't inflate. The only thing I could surmise is your impact sensor told the system the air bag would've injured you more had it deployed.

Have the 'black box' checked, the insurance company and Honda can have this done. It'll tell why the air bag didn't deploy.

Good luck and in glad you weren't injured.

 

[II Kings 9:20]

Assuming you were wearing a seat belt and didn't get hurt I'd be grateful the airbag didn't deploy. As my wife once discovered they can do more damage to a belted in driver than they prevent.

Unless a high speed crash. In the Princess Di tragedy, the only survivor was the front passenger who was the only one belted and the airbag saved his life. Here's what happens without the bag while belted. High speed is considered 35MPH and above

Note this is a belted dummy on a modern car unlike below. Things have not changed much in 35 years with belts alone.

One more. Just watch the first 1:40 of this video. The famous "built like a tank" Mercedes with a belted dummy slams the steering wheel at 35 MPH. without an airbag.

Exact same MB 123 with an airbag. Note at 20 sec, the passenger seatbelt pretensioner prevents the passenger from hitting the dashboard but the driver must be saved by the bag because the steering wheel is right in his face. These are at 35 MPH, heaven help you at 40+ MPH. Airbags may cause some injuries no doubt but I'll take a bag over a steering wheel any day. These are not fluke tests. The 123 in the video was not marketed with an airbag. The 124 300E was the first midsize MB with an airbag in 1986, I owned an '87 in 1992.

Scary 1980 Tercel crash test no airbags, MB was better but still not face friendly without the bag.

Airbags save lives. 25-30 years ago, airbags blew out at up to 200 MPH at low speed and did a lot of damage. Todays smart bags are far better but still can do damage. Ever feel an airbag with your fingers? Its like burlap made from nylon. Very abrasive and not skin friendly. I have interviewed dozens of people who have had airbags hit them in the face and every one is glad they had the bag vs slamming their face into a steering wheel (even while belted, you'd think the belt would be enough but it's not.

In 1996, Congress had hearings on airbags after another child was decapitated in the passenger seat of a Jetta in Utah. Then Sen. Dirk Kempthorn was the only one on the committee who understood the issue and the idiot head of NHTSA Ricardo Martinez proved himself to be truly incapable if heading NHTSA.

 

[karfreek]

Unless a high speed crash. In the Princess Di tragedy, the only survivor was the front passenger who was the only one belted and the airbag saved his life. Here's what happens without the bag while belted. High speed is considered 35MPH and above

Note this is a belted dummy on a modern car unlike below. Things have not changed much in 35 years with belts alone.

One more. Just watch the first 1:40 of this video. The famous "built like a tank" Mercedes with a belted dummy slams the steering wheel at 35 MPH. without an airbag.

Exact same MB 123 with an airbag. Note at 20 sec, the passenger seatbelt pretensioner prevents the passenger from hitting the dashboard but the driver must be saved by the bag because the steering wheel is right in his face. These are at 35 MPH, heaven help you at 40+ MPH. Airbags may cause some injuries no doubt but I'll take a bag over a steering wheel any day. These are not fluke tests. The 123 in the video was not marketed with an airbag. The 124 300E was the first midsize MB with an airbag in 1986, I owned an '87 in 1992.

Scary 1980 Tercel crash test no airbags, MB was better but still not face friendly without the bag.

Airbags save lives. 25-30 years ago, airbags blew out at up to 200 MPH at low speed and did a lot of damage. Todays smart bags are far better but still can do damage. Ever feel an airbag with your fingers? Its like burlap made from nylon. Very abrasive and not skin friendly. I have interviewed dozens of people who have had airbags hit them in the face and every one is glad they had the bag vs slamming their face into a steering wheel (even while belted, you'd think the belt would be enough but it's not.

In 1996, Congress had hearings on airbags after another child was decapitated in the passenger seat of a Jetta in Utah. Then Sen. Dirk Kempthorn was the only one on the committee who understood the issue and the idiot head of NHTSA Ricardo Martinez proved himself to be truly incapable if heading NHTSA.

This is much scarier than the Tercel.

http://youtu.be/iobfPN7yWKg

Jay

 

[Flyboy]

Assuming you were wearing a seat belt and didn't get hurt I'd be grateful the airbag didn't deploy. As my wife once discovered they can do more damage to a belted in driver than they prevent.

A few years ago a friend of mine came upon a trailer that had spun out across an icy overpass in the dark.he was going about 60 MPH. He couldn't even get to his brake pedal when he hit the trailer. The airbag caused bruises on his face, upper torso and he had bruising on his pelvis from the seatbelt. However, he had no internal injuries and walked away. Airbags save lives in accidents that otherwise would be fatal.

 

[HondaTechAV6]

passenger bag, any side curtain bag or side impact bag can pop from any collision if the srs system determines it can help save the people inside the car.

i.e. most famous example is passenger curtain airbag blows to prevent glass spraying

anyway - passenger airbag blown means dash replacement, srs unit replacement, blown bags and impact sensors as well as buckles and possibly belts. with the suspension, mechanical and body work needed I'd estimate your insurance repair cost $8k+

 

[II Kings 9:20]

This is much scarier than the Tercel.

http://youtu.be/iobfPN7yWKg

Jay

More scary indeed, but the other crashes were at 35 MPH and this disaster was at 48 MPH. That's huge. Kinetic energy transmitted in a crash is MxV squared. The difference between 35 MPH (NHTSA) and 40 MPH (IIHS) is 30% greater kinetic energy from 5 measly MPH.

35 years and HSS (High Strength steel) makes a difference.
Here is a Yaris at 54 MPH, Impressive.

Citation vs Volvo 240. Both cars held up well structurally. Note the Volvo dummy never hits the steering wheel unlike the citation or other MB videos we saw. On the 2014 MB E Class in the small overlap, the IIHS said that the seat belt allowed the driver to move forward too much and hit the A pillar. Click the upper right pic for the text. It's like the Citation and old MBs without bags. Imagine if there were no airbag. Some dummies have hit the steering wheel through the airbag and the Dodge Neon steering wheel came off in the IIHS test.

Here's the famous Saab 900 at 35 MPH. Dummies hit the dash and steering wheel.

Volvo did something in 1982. They cut 8" off the seat belt so it couldn't spool out as far and kept the passengers from striking the dash/wheel. Even with that, there is some wheel contact. Not as bad as Saab, MB, or Citation.