[shamrock]

Will someone please tell me why I shouldn't sell my 3 year old Accord and buy a spanking brand new Mazda 6 with full options. I wouldn't have to add a cent. In Israel, there is a 12,000 dollar difference between both models when new. Answer me truthfully, are our cars so much better? Don't answer me like avid honda freaks. I am kinda disappointed with my car. I expected it to be built better.

 

[Soul Man]

the accords interior is a lot better quality, past that if your unhappy with your car the mazda will essentially add nothign to $$, then go for it, its a fine car, the 2.3 is a bit coarser then the honda 2.4, but its sitll a fine engine, and the car handles incredibly well, but at the expense of ride quality, overall i think the mazda is a fine car, and if you want sportier handling, IMO better styling, and if the loaded one has a few extra features over oyur accord youd always wanted go for it, but prepare to scarifice a nicer interior, interior room, and the accords good ride quality, also statistically mazda's arent as well reliability wise

 

[samsonskeg]

my friend has a mazda 6 and has gone through 2 trannies on them. And his car is all highway miles.

 

[Greg S]

having come from two Mazdas, a Protege5 and MX-6, you will find that the Mazda engine revs much higher from the lower gearing, has tighter handling with a little loss of comfort, has more engine and wind noise and if you are getting an automatic they definitely do not last as long. I would try to stay with a manual if you go with the Mazda. you basically have to make a choice between better performance with the Mazda but more reliability and comfort with the Honda.

 

[BenjiBoy650]

I'm not going to lie to you...today if you buy any car, you are going to expect to have problems...that's just the state of affairs today in the automotive world. It's just a matter of how big the problems are. With Accords, you get smaller things, and with Mazda you get bigger things. Think about it, Accord = Honda. Mazda6 = Ford = trash. You might be lucky and get a good one, but is that the chance you're willing to take? :dunno:

 

[RTexasF]

I almost bought a 6 instead of the Accord. I liked it more in many ways such as handling, looks, and other areas.

I decided on the Accord and shortly after Consumer Reports removed the 6 from their recommended list due to the many problems owners were reporting aranoid: .

The 2.3 sounds raspy when compared to the smoothness of the 2.4 and mileage is much less than one would expect.

The Mazda 3 seems pretty bulletproof though.

 

[ItsaHonda]

If I'm not mistaken, the Mazda6's V6 engine is a reworked Ford Duratec 3.0 liter... same engine used to power the Taurus, Fusion, etc. I believe the Ford Fusion, Mazda6 and Volvo S60 all use the same platform. I've heard that Mazda's 2.3 isn't as refined or sophisticated as the K24... but is generally reliable. The V6, however, is a different story.

 

[stiller fan]

hey, itsahonda:

don't believe your avatar... :wave:

 

[ItsaHonda]

don't believe your avatar>>>

Pictures don't lie aranoid:

 

[stiller fan]

on dyno???

 

[Soul Man]

benji: i cant quite agree with your theory of mazda=ford=rubbish, i mena i know jags used to haev that equation but today jag=ford=one of the highest reliability rating from jd power (if i remember this correctly)


i feel both the accord and mazda are great cars, and ive already put in my .02 but it really comes down to what car you desire. if you dislike your accord, evne if its trouble (large troubles) free, it wont be an enjoyable experience just becuas eits not the car you desire, while if you really love the mazda, even if it suffers a few more problems (though hopefully smalls tuff, liek one or two extra times of having to bring it in because the engine check light comes on for no apparent reason) then i say go for it, i think having to spend a little more time on a car you love is way better than having to spend less time on a car you dislike, just my .02, now .04 i guess

 

[VTECaddict]

Pictures don't lie aranoid:

they do when theyre photoshopped :lmao:

first of all, the car is speed limited to like 126 or so mph.

plus, if you have a V6:
~6500 rpm = 220 mph
160 mph = ~4700 rpm

if you have an I4:
~6500 rpm = 197 mph
160 mph = ~5300 rpm

:biggrin:

 

[MajorDad]

honda is a honda yet mazda is a ford to some degree. the longevity before failure will be short and repair history potentially long with the Mazda because of Ford's involvement. Having said that, if you keep the Mazda as long as you are keeping the honda you should be essentially fine.

RNC

 

[BenjiBoy650]

Hey really I don't care what car you guys buy. If you ask me nicely at the right time, I can show you videos of people who are fed up with their 2.3L I4's in the Mazda3. $20K worth of car with a blown engine at 10K miles hehehe so funnny (no really...that's not a joke, there was really a guy on video talking about his birthday present that blew up). I laugh at them when I drive my 131K Accord. I've driven the Mazda3/5/6 on an autocross course. They're not that cool...

You can ask SSMV6 about his friend or relative's Mazda6. You can look at Consumer Reports. You can go over to a Mazda6 forum yourself. My friend's new Mazda3 with under 5K on it has intermittent stalling problems. I thought that our '90 Caravan that wouldn't move sometimes when u stepped on the gas was pretty bad. Heck, this thing won't just not move, the engine will die completely! Wowwww. I drove it and I wasn't impressed. The engine is buzzy and it just feels cheap all the way around. You could beat me to death and I wouldn't buy a Mazda3/6.

Don't think I'm a defender of Honda just cause. I'm not all that thrilled with my car, especially compared to our '86. It's not that much faster, and not screwed together better at all. It has much more rattles, and the seats aren't as comfy. It's not really well built. But I tell ya it's better than the Mazda, and of that I am sure, sure enough to bet my money on it.

 

[Soul Man]

well on the same front i can show you a distraught honda customer who lost their tranny early in the vehicles life. as i and others (including youself) have said statistics point to the honda being the better car reliability wise, but if were goign to base it off of well, my friend has one.. or my friends friends car... or a video... i mean it cna go to both sides of the coin.

 

[BenjiBoy650]

well on the same front i can show you a distraught honda customer who lost their tranny early in the vehicles life. as i and others (including youself) have said statistics point to the honda being the better car reliability wise, but if were goign to base it off of well, my friend has one.. or my friends friends car... or a video... i mean it cna go to both sides of the coin.

Like I said, really I don't care what car you buy :thumbsup: But I really don't know how else you determine how reliable a car is besides for looking at cases you heard of...maybe using Consumer Reports, but since I don't trust them well...anyways. Honda auto's have problems, everybody knows that. If you don't and you bought a Honda, caveat emptor. But I haven't seen any Honda manual's outright FAIL, unlike so many Mazda engines. :dunno:

By the way don't take my word for it, go with the word from a real pro :thmsup:

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4939

Works for a Mazda/Nissan dealer...drive's a Honda :yes:

And everyone should know that shamrock is really driving a TSX since he's from Israel...but with Accord interior and minus the hot motor.

 

[kosherbacon]

I bought my 2005 Accord in August, and the Mazda 6 was also high on my list. It seemed like it would be more fun to drive, but the decision came down to quality for me--Consumer Reports rated it high in all categories, but terrible in reliability. It came down to choosing much better predicted reliability over what i thought was only slightly better handling.

 

[ItsaHonda]

on dyno???>>

http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5220

 

[SSMV6]

don't believe your avatar>>>

Pictures don't lie aranoid:

It'll be scary making that turn at those speeds! aranoid:

I don't defend Honda out of hearsay either. My cousin's '93 Accord 10th Anniversary Edition with 170K+ is still running strong (same car as Stiller Fan, but different color). My Civic with its high strung engine only had 1 problem with a FR wheel bearing ($220 to replace by Honda). Fiancee's mom's '99 Civic EX, 0 problems over 77k+ miles. Current Accord, almost 12k miles and not one problem with it other than scheduled maintenance...

My Mom's '98 Camry has problems with brakes (repeatedly), suspension, steering, water pump and has its timing belt replaced twice in the past 98.5k miles. Sister's '03 Corolla STALLED for no reason on the highway and has its front brakes (rotors and pads) replaced under 45K miles. Fiancee's brother's Matrix drains its batteries within 3 days if not used (under 25K miles).

Fiancee's sister's Mazda6S with under 2500 miles has a new A/C compressor and control unit replaced (2 separate visits to the service dept). I'm just waiting to see what other things fall apart in the next few years.

Can you tell which car I'm going to try to get my mom to trade in her Camry for when it's time?? :naughty:

BTW, you can add me to the "almost got a Mazda6" crowd. I actually placed the 6 higher than the Accord until my fiancee's sister got one. In a way I'm glad I didn't get one first. :yes:

 

[ItsaHonda]

It'll be scary making that turn at hose speeds! >>>

What's funny was that the car was actually in park :lmao:

Here is the original picture -

Atleast I remembered to put her in drive!