[Bimmer74]

Our HAH is just over 10,000 miles, the 15% MM warning has been on for the last couple hundred, and the missus is coming home tomorrow, so tonight I'm changing the oil.

Basically, it's easy.

1. Jack up the front of the car. Slide ramps under front wheels.

2. Remove the obvious big metal cover under the motor. It's 4 philips screws and 4 half-turn flathead retainers. Slide the metal cover rearwards (also obvious).

3. The drain plug and filter are right there...

Nice of Honda to aim the drain plug rearwards (not downwards), so jacking up the front of the car makes the oil drain even better. Position catch pan. Remove both.

Note that the filter is on way too tight, or the dry o-ring has welded itself to the oil pan. Use the fantastic Lisle tool to remove it, and put big dents in the filter in doing so.

4. Realize that Fumoto's 106N fits, but won't thread in without an M14 adaptor, because the drain plug is recessed. (Fumoto's website is very clear about this.)

Verbally abuse self. Order ADL-106 adaptor for next time...

5. Reuse the OEM drain plug. I tightened to 20 ft-lbs.

6. Fill oil filter with oil. Hand tighten new oil filter.

7. Add oil... Mine took right about 4 qts.

8. Confirm that nothing is leaking, and reinstall the metal cover. Put a dab of anti-seize on each of the philips screws. Install them first, loosely, and the position the cover so that the quarter turn fasteners are lined up. Then tighten the philips screws.

9. Pull out ramps, lower car.

10. Reset MM... Done.

 

[PetitFrereAccord]

Thanks for sharing. Definitely very useful. I wish you had time to take some pictures of things and share.

I think I will do mine also at 10,000 miles.

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

If you have ramps, why not drive up them?

 

[Eth_an8]

Changing the oil in your HAH is a simple task, and it seems like you know exactly what you're doing.

 

[ShayRay]

If you have ramps, why not drive up them?

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he means jack stands and not ramps cuz I used my ramps the other day and the car isn't too low that u can't drive up on them.

 

[Bimmer74]

I wish you had time to take some pictures of things and share.

Time, yes, but there's really no need for photos. It's all quite obvious once you're under the car.

A photo might help explain the issue with the recessed drain plug and the Fumoto, and I took one (preparing to lash out at the Fumoto people) before I realized that Fumoto already explains this...

If you have ramps, why not drive up them?

I hate driving up ramps.

It usually takes me 2-3 fraught attempts, and by the time I adjust the ramps so they're perfectly straight and work up the courage to do it, it's quicker and easier to lift the car with trolley jacks (I have two) and slide the ramps underneath. So, I really use the ramps as wheel cribs...

Finally, I did this in my garage on a dark and stormy night, and there isn't really room to (1) keep the garage door down, (2) have enough space to drive up the ramps, and (3) have enough space in front of the car to easily crawl underneath.

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

At that point just use stands and you can rotate the tires while you're doing an oil change with a minor increase in effort.

 

[jal142]

The 2023 and beyond come with Honda Service Pass. You get free oil changes for 2 years. 0W-20 (the only oil viscosity recommended by Honda) is guaranteed to be synthetic. Honda branded oil filters are not terrible.

Just sayin'...

 

[Bimmer74]

The 2023 and beyond come with Honda Service Pass.

No thanks...

It's not that I don't want Honda's oil or filters, it's that it's a minor PITA to take the car in (it's faster to DIY), and I don't trust the grease monkey at the dealership to touch my car.

I've heard too many bad stories about dealerships overfilling, underfilling, over- and under-tightening drain plugs, wrong filters, filters loose, and never mind all the fasteners that hold on that metal plate (or having the same kind of plate simply missing).

So, I'll DIY, and I'll sleep well at night...

 

[paintmann111]

Also, its common knowledge that dealerships use bulk priced oil for their oil changes. A lot of them use non-OEM oil that they get at a very competitive price. They aren't walking to the parts room to grab 4 quarts of Honda oil. I'm not saying all do this, but the vast majority do based off my work experience.

 

[Bimmer74]

Really, I don't worry about the oil that Honda would use... It's the other aspects that irk me.

Even if it went perrrrfectly, I'd need to call ahead and make an appointment for the middle of a weekday.

Then it's an extra 10-minute drive to go there, one way. Then I sit in their waiting room for 30-45 minutes as they change my oil and futz with my car.

Then I fend off the attempts to upsell me a new air cleaner or grease for my muffler bearings or fluid for my blinkers...

And then, once I'm home, I need to check the oil as well as the tires and anything else that they may have messed with.

It's a lot quicker and easier to just DIY...

 

[Dudley]

Really, I don't worry about the oil that Honda would use... It's the other aspects that irk me.

Even if it went perrrrfectly, I'd need to call ahead and make an appointment for the middle of a weekday.

Then it's an extra 10-minute drive to go there, one way. Then I sit in their waiting room for 30-45 minutes as they change my oil and futz with my car.

Then I fend off the attempts to upsell me a new air cleaner or grease for my muffler bearings or fluid for my blinkers...

And then, once I'm home, I need to check the oil as well as the tires and anything else that they may have messed with.

It's a lot quicker and easier to just DIY...

I agree with all of your points, however while it is free I'm gonna go with that. I don't mind puttering around the dealer every 10 months or so and snacking on their cookies while I look at the latest vehicles. Once they don't do it free I'll very happily do it myself.

 

[jeremyp969]

How did you jack up the front or did you do it twice, once at each tire? I've looked and I think the central jacking point(frame) is under the plastic cover.

 

[datechbpss101]

Glad your went with the DIY even though you have the free oil change and tire rotations from Honda directly. The OEM Honda oil is eh at best.

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

The OEM Honda oil is eh at best.

What makes you say that?

 

[datechbpss101]

What makes you say that?

Ran it on my MDX whenever Honda did my oil change. I haven’t changed my driving habits from using Castrol and it needed to be changed earlier. For the price of 6 bottles of the thing, one would expect to get equal or better quality than the best stuff from store shelves (i.e: Pennsoil Ultra Plat).

 

[TheOriginalTwoTone]

Ran it on my MDX whenever Honda did my oil change. I haven’t changed my driving habits from using Castrol and it needed to be changed earlier. For the price of 6 bottles of the thing, one would expect to get equal or better quality than the best stuff from store shelves (i.e: Pennsoil Ultra Plat).

So based on price and nothing scientific.

 

[FattiesGoneWild]

Refuse to do 10k oil changes. And Honda won’t do the free maintenance for that until it reaches it. I will continue at every 6 months or 5k which ever comes first.

 

[Accord_Mike]

I’m definitely not going 10k on my 1.5T. I’m thinking about 5-6k miles. I’m getting close to a 1k right now so I think I‘ll change it at around 1.5k and then go 5-6k there after. I‘m going to do it myself like Bimmer.

I know some people like to trust the dealership and think they’re getting a deal by having it done for free. However, I’ve heard and read too many horror stories of dealers screwing stuff up. Also, I actually enjoy doing it as well. It feels like I accomplished something rather than sitting in some stupid dealership waiting room thinking about what they could be goofing up on my car. Thanks, but no thanks. I‘ll do it myself unless it’s a warranty repair.

 

[mtts60]

So based on price and nothing scientific.

Right. ConocoPhilips brews the oil for Honda, so it's hardly junk, I'd say.