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So, I have been driving a 2013 G37 Sedan from probably 30k to almost 190k now with no real major issues (shockingly). I love the car to death; the sound system is superb, it's fast as hell, and it has basic stuff a luxury sedan has.

It's coming to the point where I'm feeling like it's going to start getting more expensive to repair things, so I'm going to be getting rid of it soon, and was considering the Accord 2.0t (could be 2018-2022, but 2022 for the refresh..if it's even worth it). I have found a 2022 2.0t touring with 25k miles for about 30k in all black (black rims included, not the rims that normally come with the touring model), and I've read reviews of what comes with the touring, and some say it's great, others say it's shit and not worth it.

I'm going to be replacing the audio system anyways because I don't hear anything good about it, and the dampening suspension system appears to get very mixed reviews from people of all year (18'-22') models. Is it worth it to even get the 2022 accord 2.0t touring over the 2022 Accord 2.0t sport trim? I'm tempted to get it just for the resale value years down the road, but it just seems like more to potentially break and cost to fix. Is there real THAT BIG of a difference between the two besides just the touring badge?

ALSO, is there any sort of speed difference from anything between touring and sport models? Maybe from added weight?

I know this is a long winded question, but I appreciate any answers!
 
To clarify... are you hypothetically asking about a Sport with the base 1.5T engine, or with the upgraded 2.0T?

Anything that upgrades you from 1.5T to 2.0T engine alone would be worth it, but if all else is equal, that takes the question in a different direction.
 
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To clarify... are you hypothetically asking about a Sport with the base 1.5T engine, or with the upgraded 2.0T?

Anything that upgrades you from 1.5T to 2.0T engine alone would be worth it, but if all else is equal, that takes the question in a different direction.
A 2022 Honda Accord 2.0T Touring vs. A 2022 Honda Accord 2.0T Sport.



The touring is the higher model, but I wanted to see if anyone has any opinions on either of the cars (from driving or owning either) and can tell me their experiences, and if paying extra for a Touring 2.0T model is worth it for what I would be getting vs. The Sport 2.0T.
 
The consideration would be between a 2022 Accord 2.0T Touring trim, or the 2.0T Sport trim.
I miss the HUD from my 2.0 Touring. Whether it's "worth it" to you is a question only you can answer. Personally, I think the price is great, assuming you like the aftermarket black wheels. A Honda with the 2.0 engine isn't even broken in yet at 100K.
 
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I miss the HUD from my 2.0 Touring. Whether it's "worth it" to you is a question only you can answer. Personally, I think the price is great, assuming you like the aftermarket black wheels. A Honda with the 2.0 engine isn't even broken in yet at 100K.
How was the suspension on your touring in your opinion? I hear it's only really good in Sport mode and floaty in every other mode, as opposed to the Sport trim that just has the same suspension throughout the car at all times
 
If you are comparing between the two 2.0t models, I would personally go with the Touring. Especially when it comes to pre-owned pricing, I'd imagine the price difference probably isn't as great as it used to be. But what it comes down to is your preferences. Do you even care to have the extra options on the Touring, HUD, navigation, leather, adaptive dampers, "premium" (not so premium) sound system? To me, it was worth it, but not everyone thinks that way. I would probably test drive the two, play around the options in the car before making that decision.

As far as speed difference, I don't think there's much difference to my knowledge. Most publications got between 5.3-5.5s to 60 (the 10AT version) as far as I know. C&D got 5.4 for the Sport, and I believe I saw 5.3 on a test from TOV (now defunct site), I believe that was the Touring version. There was also an article somewhere about the 2.0t Accord beating the last gen. Camry TRD and it was one of the featured articles on that site years ago. In short, you'd get good performance (for a family sedan) either way.
 
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So, I have been driving a 2013 G37 Sedan from probably 30k to almost 190k now with no real major issues (shockingly). I love the car to death; the sound system is superb, it's fast as hell, and it has basic stuff a luxury sedan has.

It's coming to the point where I'm feeling like it's going to start getting more expensive to repair things, so I'm going to be getting rid of it soon, and was considering the Accord 2.0t (could be 2018-2022, but 2022 for the refresh..if it's even worth it). I have found a 2022 2.0t touring with 25k miles for about 30k in all black (black rims included, not the rims that normally come with the touring model), and I've read reviews of what comes with the touring, and some say it's great, others say it's shit and not worth it.

I'm going to be replacing the audio system anyways because I don't hear anything good about it, and the dampening suspension system appears to get very mixed reviews from people of all year (18'-22') models. Is it worth it to even get the 2022 accord 2.0t touring over the 2022 Accord 2.0t sport trim? I'm tempted to get it just for the resale value years down the road, but it just seems like more to potentially break and cost to fix. Is there real THAT BIG of a difference between the two besides just the touring badge?

ALSO, is there any sort of speed difference from anything between touring and sport models? Maybe from added weight?

I know this is a long winded question, but I appreciate any answers!
I had a 2019 Accord Sport 2.0t and upgraded to a 2021 Accord Touring 2.0t. I really liked the additional features that the Touring had- and thanks to the crazy car market during the pandemic, I was able to upgrade for a pretty reasonable amount thanks to the fact that the resale value of my 2019 was incredibly high while my local dealers were offering $4000 discounts on the 2021 Touring.

First- regarding the speed issue- if both vehicles have the 2.0t motor- they both will have the same speed specs. While I'm sure that the Touring is 100-150lbs heavier, it's not really going to make much difference in terms of 0-60 time.

You get quite a bit more stuff with the Touring- enough that I though that it was worth it:
-Side mirrors with turn signals and reverse tilt-down
-Parking sensors front & rear, low-speed automatic rear low-speed braking
-Heated and ventilated seats (front), heated rear outboard seats (rear)
-Memory seats for the driver
-Heads up display
-Full leather
-Auto-dimming rearview mirror w/ Homelink
-Factory Navigation
-Honda "premium" 450 watt audio system... it's okay- not award-winning but not horrible either.
-Wireless charger
-Interior ambient lighting
-Automatic windshield wipers
-Power passenger seat

Styling:
-Different 19" alloy wheels (warning- avoid curbs- as the tires offer zero protection against curb scrapes on either the Sport or Touring trim.
-Bright chrome accents everywhere
-Slightly different taillights: On the touring, the trunk-mounted lights illuminate when you put your foot on the brake pedal. On other trims, only the outer lights illuminate with the brakes.
-Fake wood trim on the inside of the Touring, it's like a silverish-gray on the Sport.

Suspension:
The Sport 2.0t has the sport suspension. The Touring has an adaptive suspension. Owning both, I actually liked the Sport's suspension better. The main reason was because the way that Honda allows you to adjust the Touring's adaptive suspension is through the Sport/Normal/Eco button. The trouble is- when you press that button- it's not just the suspension that gets changed. When you put it in 'sport' mode so you get sportier handling, you also get a significantly more aggressive throttle response and tighter steering. I loved keeping it in sport mode for the suspension-but didn't like how aggressive the throttle response was in sport mode. I wish you could just put the suspension into sport mode, but nope... The 2.0t Sport model, however, just has the sporty suspension as the only option. It has an eco/sport/normal button too- but it doesn't adjust the suspension- so it's possible to get the sporty handling while keeping the 'normal' throttle and steering response. I wish you could just have the sport suspension in the Touring rather than the adaptive feature.

If you have the means, I think that you would like the Touring's features.

Unfortunately, I think that my 2021 Touring was a victim of the whole quality decline during the Covid epidemic. While my 2019 Sport 2.0t was great in terms of build quality, my 2021 Touring was very un-Honda-like in terms of build quality. Bits and pieces felt cheap (exterior door handles, for example, seemed like they were pretty fragile, the knobs/switches on my power driver seat fell off, my glove box broke, and the car overall seemed like it was built to a lesser standard compared to the 2019. Mechanically, my 2021 Touring suffered from the loud rear brake issues that make it so that the entire neighborhood can hear your car back out of your garage on a cold morning. Adding insult to injury, my local Honda dealers (5) refused to fix those issues- other than the broken glove box. After multiple visits to different dealerships complaining about the brakes (all dealers stated that "this is just the way that they all are", I traded the car in and went back to Toyota after just 12,000 miles. The brake problems can apparently be resolved by swapping the brake pads to aftermarket ones- but that's a ridiculous thing to have to do with a car that only had about 4,000 miles on it when the problem started. I will say, I like the fact that I've had zero quality problems with my Toyota since ditching my Honda- but I really miss the way that my Accord drove... it was a very nice car to live with on a day-to-day basis... other than the quality issues of my particular vehicle.

Again- this might all have to do with the Covid pandemic- it seems like quality in many brands/models suffered in 2021/2022. My wife's 2021 Passport has also been very un-Honda-like in terms of quality issues and other problems.

Lastly, if you can find a 2022 Touring that you like- you might want to buy it. Honda stopped building the Touring trim about halfway through 2022 as the generation ended. After about April of 2022, it became nearly impossible to find a Touring anywhere- probably a mix of the generation ending and the supply shortages with microchips given the additional electronics on the Touring trim.

In terms of resale value down the road- the longer you own it, the smaller the difference will be between the two trim levels. After about ten years and 100,000 miles, the difference might be a few hundred bucks. If the 2022 Touring you found is in good shape- you might want to go for it. I would probably have it inspected by an independent mechanic before you buy it though- just to be on the safe side. Also- again about those wheels- the black accessory wheels on the Touring that you are looking at are just as vulnerable to curb scrapes as the 19" wheels that come on it from the factory- worse though- any scrape will stand out like a sore thumb. Honda has offered black wheels on a lot of different models over the past five or six years- and any cosmetic damage really stands out... stay away from curbs... and if you drive somewhere that gets snow- be aware that the factory Michelins are pretty awful in snow. There's a thread in the wheels/tires subforum that talks about the different options for winter setups. I used a set of 17" wheels from an EX with more snow-friendly tires in winter.


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I had a 2019 Accord Sport 2.0t and upgraded to a 2021 Accord Touring 2.0t. I really liked the additional features that the Touring had- and thanks to the crazy car market during the pandemic, I was able to upgrade for a pretty reasonable amount thanks to the fact that the resale value of my 2019 was incredibly high while my local dealers were offering $4000 discounts on the 2021 Touring.

First- regarding the speed issue- if both vehicles have the 2.0t motor- they both will have the same speed specs. While I'm sure that the Touring is 100-150lbs heavier, it's not really going to make much difference in terms of 0-60 time.

You get quite a bit more stuff with the Touring- enough that I though that it was worth it:
-Side mirrors with turn signals and reverse tilt-down
-Parking sensors front & rear, low-speed automatic rear low-speed braking
-Heated and ventilated seats (front), heated rear outboard seats (rear)
-Memory seats for the driver
-Heads up display
-Full leather
-Auto-dimming rearview mirror w/ Homelink
-Factory Navigation
-Honda "premium" 450 watt audio system... it's okay- not award-winning but not horrible either.
-Wireless charger
-Interior ambient lighting
-Automatic windshield wipers
-Power passenger seat

Styling:
-Different 19" alloy wheels (warning- avoid curbs- as the tires offer zero protection against curb scrapes on either the Sport or Touring trim.
-Bright chrome accents everywhere
-Slightly different taillights: On the touring, the trunk-mounted lights illuminate when you put your foot on the brake pedal. On other trims, only the outer lights illuminate with the brakes.
-Fake wood trim on the inside of the Touring, it's like a silverish-gray on the Sport.

Suspension:
The Sport 2.0t has the sport suspension. The Touring has an adaptive suspension. Owning both, I actually liked the Sport's suspension better. The main reason was because the way that Honda allows you to adjust the Touring's adaptive suspension is through the Sport/Normal/Eco button. The trouble is- when you press that button- it's not just the suspension that gets changed. When you put it in 'sport' mode so you get sportier handling, you also get a significantly more aggressive throttle response and tighter steering. I loved keeping it in sport mode for the suspension-but didn't like how aggressive the throttle response was in sport mode. I wish you could just put the suspension into sport mode, but nope... The 2.0t Sport model, however, just has the sporty suspension as the only option. It has an eco/sport/normal button too- but it doesn't adjust the suspension- so it's possible to get the sporty handling while keeping the 'normal' throttle and steering response. I wish you could just have the sport suspension in the Touring rather than the adaptive feature.

If you have the means, I think that you would like the Touring's features.

Unfortunately, I think that my 2021 Touring was a victim of the whole quality decline during the Covid epidemic. While my 2019 Sport 2.0t was great in terms of build quality, my 2021 Touring was very un-Honda-like in terms of build quality. Bits and pieces felt cheap (exterior door handles, for example, seemed like they were pretty fragile, the knobs/switches on my power driver seat fell off, my glove box broke, and the car overall seemed like it was built to a lesser standard compared to the 2019. Mechanically, my 2021 Touring suffered from the loud rear brake issues that make it so that the entire neighborhood can hear your car back out of your garage on a cold morning. Adding insult to injury, my local Honda dealers (5) refused to fix those issues- other than the broken glove box. After multiple visits to different dealerships complaining about the brakes (all dealers stated that "this is just the way that they all are", I traded the car in and went back to Toyota after just 12,000 miles. The brake problems can apparently be resolved by swapping the brake pads to aftermarket ones- but that's a ridiculous thing to have to do with a car that only had about 4,000 miles on it when the problem started. I will say, I like the fact that I've had zero quality problems with my Toyota since ditching my Honda- but I really miss the way that my Accord drove... it was a very nice car to live with on a day-to-day basis... other than the quality issues of my particular vehicle.

Again- this might all have to do with the Covid pandemic- it seems like quality in many brands/models suffered in 2021/2022. My wife's 2021 Passport has also been very un-Honda-like in terms of quality issues and other problems.

Lastly, if you can find a 2022 Touring that you like- you might want to buy it. Honda stopped building the Touring trim about halfway through 2022 as the generation ended. After about April of 2022, it became nearly impossible to find a Touring anywhere- probably a mix of the generation ending and the supply shortages with microchips given the additional electronics on the Touring trim.

In terms of resale value down the road- the longer you own it, the smaller the difference will be between the two trim levels. After about ten years and 100,000 miles, the difference might be a few hundred bucks. If the 2022 Touring you found is in good shape- you might want to go for it. I would probably have it inspected by an independent mechanic before you buy it though- just to be on the safe side. Also- again about those wheels- the black accessory wheels on the Touring that you are looking at are just as vulnerable to curb scrapes as the 19" wheels that come on it from the factory- worse though- any scrape will stand out like a sore thumb. Honda has offered black wheels on a lot of different models over the past five or six years- and any cosmetic damage really stands out... stay away from curbs... and if you drive somewhere that gets snow- be aware that the factory Michelins are pretty awful in snow. There's a thread in the wheels/tires subforum that talks about the different options for winter setups. I used a set of 17" wheels from an EX with more snow-friendly tires in winter.


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This is probably about as thorough of a review as it gets haha! I had noticed a few of the 2022 models having multiple owners while the car only had about 28k miles or a bit over. Some of the reasons you named were probably why. It almost makes me want to get a 2018 or 2019 honestly. If I could find any of those with low miles..which seems almost unlikely for a 6-7 year old car.

I had been looking at 21'-22' mainly because I thought the refresh they did on the cars would be better as the years passed; quality control would've been better, any problems with previous years would be ironed out to an extent..but it doesn't sound like all that really happened with the credit primarily leading to Covid. The sporty suspension wouldn't be as much of an issue for me all the time because that's about how it always has been driving my G37, but I feel like getting it fully loaded with yield a better resale value years down the road as well. Now I'm a bit undecided about whether I want one of these or not because of all the problems..
 
This is probably about as thorough of a review as it gets haha! I had noticed a few of the 2022 models having multiple owners while the car only had about 28k miles or a bit over. Some of the reasons you named were probably why. It almost makes me want to get a 2018 or 2019 honestly. If I could find any of those with low miles..which seems almost unlikely for a 6-7 year old car.

I had been looking at 21'-22' mainly because I thought the refresh they did on the cars would be better as the years passed; quality control would've been better, any problems with previous years would be ironed out to an extent..but it doesn't sound like all that really happened with the credit primarily leading to Covid. The sporty suspension wouldn't be as much of an issue for me all the time because that's about how it always has been driving my G37, but I feel like getting it fully loaded with yield a better resale value years down the road as well. Now I'm a bit undecided about whether I want one of these or not because of all the problems..
There are benefits to the 2021/2022 Accord model years- at least if you are looking at the Touring trim (and the Sport 2.0t trim too in some cases). Honda improved the HondaSensing system- it was better on my 2021 than it was on my 2019. They also updated the instrument cluster a bit- I can't remember the details, but I remember it was different and slightly improved on my 2021. Cosmetically, I think the 2021/22 Accord Tourings look better because of the alloy wheel design that Honda used in 2021/2022 compared to the 2018-2020 Tourings- but that's a matter of personal preference.

I also have to mention- it's possible that I just got two bad Hondas during the pandemic- my 2021 Accord and my wife's 2021 Passport. Every single one of my Hondas before those two were excellent. It's possible that I just have bad luck... but from some of the posts on this forum, it seems like at least the brake issue is pretty common on 2021/2022 Accords.

If a 2021 or 2022 Accord has multiple owners after just three years, that's a red flag. You should hopefully be able to find one that's a lease return that's three years old with 36,000 miles. There are probably a few 2021s around that are off-lease and the 2022s should slowly be coming back as they hit the three year mark.
 
Yes. I hate having to constantly adjust intermittent wipers in drizzle. And the one and only adaptive(electronic) dampers in non-luxury mid-size sedan.
And if people can claim touring tail lights enhance safety, HUD does even more so.

Sound system itself isn't bad (for a Honda) but the insulation is. CLD, MLV, and CCF all panels.

Oh touring also has laminated front SIDE glasses for noise control.
 
A 2022 Honda Accord 2.0T Touring vs. A 2022 Honda Accord 2.0T Sport.



The touring is the higher model, but I wanted to see if anyone has any opinions on either of the cars (from driving or owning either) and can tell me their experiences, and if paying extra for a Touring 2.0T model is worth it for what I would be getting vs. The Sport 2.0T.
I have the sport, I think the only reason to get it is if you want the 6MT, otherwise I would have went w/ the Touring trim. It wasn't that much more. I'm at 66k miles. Nothing major besides maintenance and recalls. Otherwise its been pretty cheap to own.
 
Would u peeps trade in your 22 sport special edition sonic gray....with 23k miles for a 2022 2.0 sonic gray ..with 36kmiles?
That all depends on pricing. How much are they going to give you for your 2022- and how much are they charging for the 2.0t with 36k miles? Would you finance the 2.0t... and are you currently financing your existing car? (I only ask because if you are currently financing your existing car- odds are it's at a better APR that what you would get today on a used 2022, so the interest rate could potentially add a decent amount to the overall cost)

How much are they asking for that 2022 Sport 2.0t? KBB indicates that a 2022 2.0t Sport with 36,000 miles has a retail value of $25,700 right now. Just for comparison, my local Acura dealership currently has a Sonic Gray 2022 Touring 2.0t with 15,000 miles listed for $31,900:
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Yep- that's a $6200 difference, but you'd be getting a much better-equipped car with lower miles. You also wouldn't be losing the leather seats that your current Sport Special edition has. The leather seats that Honda uses are much nicer than the seats that come with the 2.0t Sport trim. The only drawback of the Touring trim IMO is all of the bright chrome on that trim- especially the front grille.
 
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