[Tsaini]

Hello, I'm looking to install K&N CAI, cat-back exhaust, and an RV6 downpipe and tune the car with the stage 2 Ktuner setup. The car is a 2013 Honda Accord Sedan i4 CVT (pls don't roast me) Right now the car is stock and so how much horsepower gains can I expect from all the mods I listed? right now the car is around 185-190 hp, what can I expect after the modifications?

 

[DARKART]

Not much. Focus on suspension upgrades.

 

[Tsaini]

Not much. Focus on suspension upgrades.

I usually see people recommending the mods I listed above, how much HP do you think it would give though because 'not much' to you might be good enough for me. Will suspension upgrades give me more bang for buck? What can I expect from suspension upgrades? The upgrades I listed would cost around $2000 for me.

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[emeron]

I usually see people recommending the mods I listed above, how much HP do you think it would give though because 'not much' to you might be good enough for me. Will suspension upgrades give me more bang for buck? What can I expect from suspension upgrades? The upgrades I listed would cost around $2000 for me.

Not the answer you want to hear but if you're looking to spend few large ones, the best return for your buck is to dump your I4 while it's still stock and get a V6. The price difference between a used I4 and a used V6 gets so little as the cars grow older, it makes little sense to bother with the I4. Especially taking the limitations of the cvt in consideration.

 

[Tsaini]

Not the answer you want to hear but if you're looking to spend few large ones, the best return for your buck is to dump your I4 while it's still stock and get a V6. The price difference between a used I4 and a used V6 gets so little as the cars grow older, it makes little sense to bother with the I4. Especially taking the limitations of the cvt in consideration.

Not the answer you want to hear but if you're looking to spend few large ones, the best return for your buck is to dump your I4 while it's still stock and get a V6. The price difference between a used I4 and a used V6 gets so little as the cars grow older, it makes little sense to bother with the I4. Especially taking the limitations of the cvt in consideration.

The deal I got for my car however was very good and If I want to replace it with a V6, I'd have to pay up to 3k also paying taxes, so almost 5k. Not only that, I can't seem to find any EX-L sedans that come in V6, only coupes which I don't want. I don't want to replace my car anyways, and I'd rather mod the i4 engine making it a little stronger. I'm just wondering, how much horsepower do you think the modifications I listed above would add to my car? I comp[letely understand though that the best way to go is to just replace my car with a v6, but that's not an option for me.

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[emeron]

I'm just wondering, how much horsepower do you think the modifications I listed above would add to my car?

You're looking to gain 10hp if you do all that and put 2 stickers on the car. You will also be annoying the light sleepers in the neighborhood and generally contribute to the ricer honda boy stereotype.

 

[Tsaini]

You're looking to gain 10hp if you do all that and put 2 stickers on the car. You will also be annoying the light sleepers in the neighborhood and generally contribute to the ricer honda boy stereotype.

damn, okay your right. No point in wasting money on an i4. Ill definitely do some cosmetic changes though such as chrome delete, aftermarket taillights, led headlights, and maybe the oem lip spoiler the sport model has. Maybe in a couple of years ill switch to a v6, but for now I'm pretty happy

 

[Steve16Accord]

Speaking from personal experience (‘16 Accord Sport CVT), performance upgrades get expensive real quick and don’t leave you with much to write home about at the end of the day. If the V6 isn’t an option now, and you really want to do something on the car, I’d go with a mild suspension and audio upgrade, if the latter is something that peaks your interest. I’ve done the CAI, Ktuner, and axle back, and while it sounded great and added pep, the power to cost ratio isn’t worth it. At most, with those mods, plus a cat delete, better flowing mid pipe, and custom tune, you MIGHT see 205-210 hp tops. The CVT, as you might know, doesn’t play well for long once you start adding more power anyway. The 205-210 is my best estimate. I’m probably overstating it, so don’t take that to heart. You may only get 200-205 hp.


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[lappo428]

I never understood why people want to Jap up a perfectly good family sedan..

 

[Steve16Accord]

I never understood why people want to Jap up a perfectly good family sedan..

We all enjoy the car in different ways I guess. No different than why some people fix up a perfectly good truck or a perfectly good sport coupe. [emoji2375] The car modification culture started the moment the very first automobile rolled off the line decades ago. Some people just prefer to “personalize” their vehicles over keeping it stock.


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[lappo428]

We all enjoy the car in different ways I guess. No different than why some people fix up a perfectly good truck or a perfectly good sport coupe. [emoji2375] The car modification culture started the moment the very first automobile rolled off the line decades ago. Some people just prefer to “personalize” their vehicles over keeping it stock.


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I'm this day in age your way better off buying one with performance from the factory.

 

[Steve16Accord]

I'm this day in age your way better off buying one with performance from the factory.

Very true indeed considering the cost of upgrades, but for a lot of people that just isn’t in the cards at times. Hindsight is always 20/20. If I could go back and do it again, I’d of waited a little longer to find a Touring model 9th gen with the features I wanted for something that fit my budget, or got a 10th gen with the turbocharged 2.0.


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[2Accordz]

There's nothing wrong with tuning a car, but it's been discussed ad nauseam here about the limitations of the CVT.

Unless you're going to change that out, that's the biggest obstacle.
Any yet, many modders still think they can heap loads more torque onto it, much more than the Honda engineers who designed it.

 

[overlord]

You're looking to gain 10hp if you do all that and put 2 stickers on the car. You will also be annoying the light sleepers in the neighborhood and generally contribute to the ricer honda boy stereotype.

Not necessarily. My 2.0T 6MT has KN intake and Borla catback - it's completely quiet unless I want to wake it up and hammer on it. During normal drive/commute, it looks and sounds stock. Borla catback is compatible with factory fake tips so it looks just like any other appliance Honda. That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with others that these upgrades are worthless (no offense) on the 2.4L CVT. I would use those $2K and add a bit more and just get the V6. Not only you'd get a much faster motor, you'd get a far better transmission (6AT vs CVT). It's a no brainer if you're already committed to spending that money. And there's no way tax is $2K if you're trading up to a car with a $3K difference. Most states, pretty much all of them, charge you on the difference which would be 7-10% of that $3K or whatever the gap is between two cars.

 

[Tsaini]

Speaking from personal experience (‘16 Accord Sport CVT), performance upgrades get expensive real quick and don’t leave you with much to write home about at the end of the day. If the V6 isn’t an option now, and you really want to do something on the car, I’d go with a mild suspension and audio upgrade, if the latter is something that peaks your interest. I’ve done the CAI, Ktuner, and axle back, and while it sounded great and added pep, the power to cost ratio isn’t worth it. At most, with those mods, plus a cat delete, better flowing mid pipe, and custom tune, you MIGHT see 205-210 hp tops. The CVT, as you might know, doesn’t play well for long once you start adding more power anyway. The 205-210 is my best estimate. I’m probably overstating it, so don’t take that to heart. You may only get 200-205 hp.


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Yea that doesn't seem worth spending thousands. Thanks for the reply.

Very true indeed considering the cost of upgrades, but for a lot of people that just isn’t in the cards at times. Hindsight is always 20/20. If I could go back and do it again, I’d of waited a little longer to find a Touring model 9th gen with the features I wanted for something that fit my budget, or got a 10th gen with the turbocharged 2.0.


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Yea I agree. If I was able to go back, I would have gotten the manual model, maybe even the v6. To be honest though I'm completely satisfied with my car, I just had some questions about modifying it, and if it's worth it or not.

Not necessarily. My 2.0T 6MT has KN intake and Borla catback - it's completely quiet unless I want to wake it up and hammer on it. During normal drive/commute, it looks and sounds stock. Borla catback is compatible with factory fake tips so it looks just like any other appliance Honda.

Does it make a difference though? I hear so many mixed opinions on adding an intake and exhaust system. Some people say the difference is day and night, and the upgrades are worth the power gain. Some people say it's a waste of money, and it won't make a difference. I don't know what to believe.

There's nothing wrong with tuning a car, but it's been discussed ad nauseam here about the limitations of the CVT.

Unless you're going to change that out, that's the biggest obstacle.
Any yet, many modders still think they can heap loads more torque onto it, much more than the Honda engineers who designed it.

The upgrades I listed though shouldn't add much strain to the CVT though would they? I've seen many others do the stage 2 ktuner upgrade along with an intake and exhaust system on an i4 CVT, is it really too much for the CVT?

 

[overlord]

Does it make a difference though? I hear so many mixed opinions on adding an intake and exhaust system. Some people say the difference is day and night, and the upgrades are worth the power gain. Some people say it's a waste of money, and it won't make a difference. I don't know what to believe.

I edited my comment after you replied, I apologize. To answer your question, I'll just copy what I said in the edited post: "That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with others that these upgrades are worthless (no offense) on the 2.4L CVT. I would use those $2K and add a bit more and just get the V6. Not only you'd get a much faster motor, you'd get a far better transmission (6AT vs CVT). It's a no brainer if you're already committed to spending that money. And there's no way tax is $2K if you're trading up to a car with a $3K difference. Most states, pretty much all of them, charge you on the difference which would be 7-10% of that $3K or whatever the gap is between two cars."

 

[Tsaini]

I edited my comment after you replied, I apologize. To answer your question, I'll just copy what I said in the edited post: "That being said, I wholeheartedly agree with others that these upgrades are worthless (no offense) on the 2.4L CVT. I would use those $2K and add a bit more and just get the V6. Not only you'd get a much faster motor, you'd get a far better transmission (6AT vs CVT). It's a no brainer if you're already committed to spending that money. And there's no way tax is $2K if you're trading up to a car with a $3K difference. Most states, pretty much all of them, charge you on the difference which would be 7-10% of that $3K or whatever the gap is between two cars."

Ok thanks for the reply. Seems like everyone has convinced me that the best 2 options from here are to trade for a V6, or keep my car stock. I think for now I'm going to stick with my car and keep it stock, and in the future when I feel like I want more power, ill trade for a v6 instead of modding the i4.

 

[overlord]

Ok thanks for the reply. Seems like everyone has convinced me that the best 2 options from here are to trade for a V6, or keep my car stock. I think for now I'm going to stick with my car and keep it stock, and in the future when I feel like I want more power, ill trade for a v6 instead of modding the i4.

Honestly, that would probably be a best option, keep your car (and your money).

 

[slimm1469]

After 7 years on the forum, one lesson I've learned (among many others) is never mod a car that doesn't have decent stock power and a strong tranny. A V6 will have 270 or more HP and a tranny built to handle it. My suspension mods are below, but I wouldn't spend all that money. I'm not criticizing your ride at all, it is a fine sedan just not one to trick out for the money it will cost.

 

[emeron]

If you trade up to a V6, the money that you spend (minus tax and fees) becomes your equity. You can buy a V6 today and sell for what you paid for it tomorrow. But if you spend on mods, that money is spent. You can't spend x dollars on mods and expect to sell the car for it's stock value + x. With cosmetic mods, the car is worth its stock value less what it would cost to bring the car back to stock appearance. Unless it's a 10K set of hre rims...