[Accordable]

I decided to do another drain & fill.

The orange wrench icon came on the dash & code A, oil life 15%.
Just before that, I decided to pick up a jug of Supertech Synthetic 0W30 at Wallymart and an oil filter. Good timing, huh? I read that Supertech oil is decent and it was under $20 - that's a good price here. I knew an oil change was due or coming but didn't forsee it being this soon.

The problem or question, though, is regarding the washers (& drain plug). I got a pair for the drain/fill and one for the oil change. Huh? Plus, total $ was $20!!!! Why?!? Do you trust any online sites for ordering those? I'm in a bad mood now. I thought I did well buying the fluids and filter in advance but now the dealer is wiping out the savings.
I probably should have ordered the washers online but my mechanic is fitting me in this week.

Why is there 2 washers for the tranny? I don't remember that.

Signed, Confused and Angry. :-(

 

[JTCJTC]

My dealer has them for about $1.50 or so for each. There should only be one on the transmission plug. I'm sure many simply reuse the old ones, but for me, it helps prevent over-tightening.

 

[Accordable]

Bought:
(2) 90471-PX4-000 washer plug
(1) 94109-14000 drain washer
(2) 94109-20000 drain washer

I bought 2 pairs of the transmission parts and the 1 oil drain washer.
2ND EDIT!
[EDIT: 94109-14000 is the engine oil washer. The other parts are for the transmission - but, not sure why I have 2 parts - one is 14mm (the one I'm familiar with - engine oil) whereas the other one is 20mm ( as you can recognize) - but, why do I need that one? I can't find info]
Total: approx. $25!!! (incl. taxes)

EDIT #2: REALLY CONFUSED - ppl call it the fill plug but honda parts vendors online - call it the drain plug. Anyway, I searched the part number in the search field on the forum - some threads - contain discussions of drain & fills - on MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS - 5MT - so, is this 20mm washer/drain plug only needed for 'stick' cars?

I hope someone can answer soon - I was going to take these parts to my mechanic but I don't want to look like a dummy (just feel like one right now).

I should have just bought the one set of transmission parts and then buy future/subsequent ones online? It's just that ppl have said that the measurements/dimensions of online parts aren't always as accurate as the dealer parts so I was hesitant to do that. However, that cost is outrageous when ppl often say they spent $.50 - $2.00 on these washers and plugs!

 

[KW2004Accord]

Bought:
(2) 90471-PX4-000 washer plug
(1) 94109-14000 drain washer
(2) 94109-20000 drain washer

I bought 2 pairs of the transmission parts and the 1 oil drain washer.
2ND EDIT!
[EDIT: 94109-14000 is the engine oil washer. The other parts are for the transmission - but, not sure why I have 2 parts - one is 14mm (the one I'm familiar with - engine oil) whereas the other one is 20mm ( as you can recognize) - but, why do I need that one? I can't find info]
Total: approx. $25!!! (incl. taxes)

EDIT #2: REALLY CONFUSED - ppl call it the fill plug but honda parts vendors online - call it the drain plug. Anyway, I searched the part number in the search field on the forum - some threads - contain discussions of drain & fills - on MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS - 5MT - so, is this 20mm washer/drain plug only needed for 'stick' cars?

I hope someone can answer soon - I was going to take these parts to my mechanic but I don't want to look like a dummy (just feel like one right now).

I should have just bought the one set of transmission parts and then buy future/subsequent ones online? It's just that ppl have said that the measurements/dimensions of online parts aren't always as accurate as the dealer parts so I was hesitant to do that. However, that cost is outrageous when ppl often say they spent $.50 - $2.00 on these washers and plugs!

Shipping & handling charges when buying online making buying at the dealer parts dept. cheaper. I bought a bag of 10 through Amazon, call your local Honda dealer parts dept. for proper mm size.

 

[Accordable]

Shipping & handling charges when buying online making buying at the dealer parts dept. cheaper. I bought a bag of 10 through Amazon, call your local Honda dealer parts dept. for proper mm size.

Ok. So, just ask the dealer about the one part (#)? The Hondapartsnow website shows that one part 94109-20000 not fitting my car - is it because it's for 5MT cars? Mine is AT.

Maybe the parts guy at the dealer thought I had a manual transmission car? I'll have to inquire - I have a bunch of washers in a sandwich baggie - I assume my mechanic will know which one is for which job?

 

[visionguru]

Ok. So, just ask the dealer about the one part (#)? The Hondapartsnow website shows that one part 94109-20000 not fitting my car - is it because it's for 5MT cars? Mine is AT.

Maybe the parts guy at the dealer thought I had a manual transmission car? I'll have to inquire - I have a bunch of washers in a sandwich baggie - I assume my mechanic will know which one is for which job?

The parts guy definitely made error. You only need 1 each of the following:
Oil:
Amazon.com: 50 Pieces Aluminum Engine Oil Crush Washers Drain Plug Gaskets Compatible with Part 94109-14000 Fits Civic, Accord, CR-V/CRV, and More : Automotive
ATF:
Amazon.com: 20-Pack Transmission Fluid Drain Plug Crush Washer compatible with Honda Replacement for Part #90471-PX4-000 works with Accord Acura Civic Ridgeline Odyssey CRV CR-V Pilot Fit Element : Automotive

Why bother to buy washers if you are asking a mechanic to do the job? He most likely already have those washers for free.

 

[midnight witch]

why are you buying oil and a filter just to take it to a mechanic anyway?

 

[Accordable]

The parts guy definitely made error. You only need 1 each of the following:
Oil:
Amazon.com: 50 Pieces Aluminum Engine Oil Crush Washers Drain Plug Gaskets Compatible with Part 94109-14000 Fits Civic, Accord, CR-V/CRV, and More : Automotive
ATF:
Amazon.com: 20-Pack Transmission Fluid Drain Plug Crush Washer compatible with Honda Replacement for Part #90471-PX4-000 works with Accord Acura Civic Ridgeline Odyssey CRV CR-V Pilot Fit Element : Automotive

Why bother to buy washers if you are asking a mechanic to do the job? He most likely already have those washers for free.

Hmmmmmmm.... they have ones for Honda? I guess I screwed up then.

At least, I can return the 20mm washers.

 

[visionguru]

Hmmmmmmm.... they have ones for Honda? I guess I screwed up then.

At least, I can return the 20mm washers.

Washers...are just washers, nothing special or specific about Honda. For those common drain washers, what matters is mostly the inner diameter. I'll be surprised that a mechanic doesn't have those, because they are dirty cheap to buy in bulk and there are only that many sizes.

Washers are just something to help the drain bolts to form a tight seal. As long as they are not crushed badly (probably by more torque than necessary), a washer can be reused. When I did ATF drain/fill a month ago, I didn't bother to change the washer because it still look perfect and I was lazy, even though I have a bag of those.

 

[qman]

I buy them on Amazon. You can get a pack of 20 for less than $10.

Just do a search on "Honda 94109-14000" and it will lead you to a bunch of these.

Amazon.com: Honda OEM 94109-14000 Oil Crush Washers/Drain Plug Gasket (10) : Automotive

Buy Honda OEM 94109-14000 Oil Crush Washers/Drain Plug Gasket (10): Drain Plug - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

 

[ckev70]

I remember buying 2 trans crush washer for my 91 Accord. Just for curiosity the 7th Gen Autos also have it. There's a fill plug crush washer - Part #12. Everyone uses the dipstick tube for filling. Drain crush washer #13.

 

[visionguru]

Only V6 has the filler bolt/washer. He has a 4 cylinder. The stick tube is the filler hole by design.

 

[Arontbt]

There's absolutely no reason to buy crush washers (or any generic items for that matter) from the dealership. You're just flushing money down the toilet IMO. You just need to know the internal diameter of the plug and pick up crush washers from your local parts store. Even a nylon washer from Home Depot will work perfectly fine.
My 2013 Accord has two plugs on the transmission. The second one is for checking the fluid level i.e. you open it to release excess fluid after fill up. There should only be one drain plug if your transmission has a dipstick though.

Good luck!

 

[mtts60]

There are two different sizes for the oil and transmission crush washers. As qman said, you can get a bag of them online for a few dollars and be set for life. I don't know where I got mine, but for most other parts I'd go to the dealer. If they didn't have them, they'd be shipped to the dealer in a day or two for free as part of their normal parts resupply runs. Amazon and other places can't say that. Nothing makes less sense than paying more for shipping than the item sells for.

 

[greg1c]

Simplicity is the key here, everything you need to know


Oil drain plug washer is id 14mm
Honda part # 94109-14000

Automatic Transmission drain plug washer is id 18mm
Honda part # 90471-PX4-000

The 4cyl Automatic Transmission filler plug has no washer it is called a cap and is made of rubber with a metal piece in the middle (it does not need to be replaced normally)
Honda part # 25615-RCL-003

V6 transmission fill plug is id 24mm washer
Honda part # 90441-PK4-000








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[Dr. Acula]

By far… I never thought I’d see such a great discussion about copper discs… god I love this site!

Honda 94109-14000

this 4 or 6 cyl?? Askin for a friend… he has some driblets…

I totally just reuse “crush” washers over and over again… yes the opportunity for leaks (read driblets) can occur but if you check your fluids (AAALLLLLLLL OF THEMMMMM) with each petrol fill up or if you are in a certain system recently and check daily or each trip for the first week after performing the work, you’ll find they are almost reusable for many many trips into that system.

yes, there is a small chance of catastrophic fluid loss through a crummy crush washer… but it is slim.. but why risk it???

There is a reason why the good book says to change ‘em each time… I’m just a dirty heathen and only reference the good book for torque specs and processes and colorful pictures…. don’t be like me and get driblets

Driblets

 

[Accordable]

Washers...are just washers, nothing special or specific about Honda. For those common drain washers, what matters is mostly the inner diameter. I'll be surprised that a mechanic doesn't have those, because they are dirty cheap to buy in bulk and there are only that many sizes.

Washers are just something to help the drain bolts to form a tight seal. As long as they are not crushed badly (probably by more torque than necessary), a washer can be reused. When I did ATF drain/fill a month ago, I didn't bother to change the washer because it still look perfect and I was lazy, even though I have a bag of those.

I buy them on Amazon. You can get a pack of 20 for less than $10.

Just do a search on "Honda 94109-14000" and it will lead you to a bunch of these.

Amazon.com: Honda OEM 94109-14000 Oil Crush Washers/Drain Plug Gasket (10) : Automotive

Buy Honda OEM 94109-14000 Oil Crush Washers/Drain Plug Gasket (10): Drain Plug - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

Only V6 has the filler bolt/washer. He has a 4 cylinder. The stick tube is the filler hole by design.

There's absolutely no reason to buy crush washers (or any generic items for that matter) from the dealership. You're just flushing money down the toilet IMO. You just need to know the internal diameter of the plug and pick up crush washers from your local parts store. Even a nylon washer from Home Depot will work perfectly fine.
My 2013 Accord has two plugs on the transmission. The second one is for checking the fluid level i.e. you open it to release excess fluid after fill up. There should only be one drain plug if your transmission has a dipstick though.

Good luck!

Thanks everyone. Yes, the car's a 2007/4-dr sedan/I4 or 4-CYL.
I think I can answer everyone here. I thought they weren't generic - but, it seems they are - but, on Amazon - if you read the reviews, lots of people complain about the dimensions/measurements being off - so, QC doesn't seem to be good with a lot of manufacturers.

I'm returning the 2 that are 20mm - and I could try to return the extra I have? I'll get a bit of money back from that. I should have known not to go to the dealer for such parts.

The problem now - after the jobs have been done (there was a tire problem as well - so, I tried to get everything done) - is the Engine Oil Life Indicator won't reset. I'll search the forum but this doesn't seem to be a common problem? Not sure what I'll find here on that. I know I've done it the last oil change but this time, it doesn't reset.

 

[Accordable]

Update: I was able to reset the Oil Life Indicator/MM - pretty strange. I held it down longer than the 15-20 seconds (in total), I think. But, I thought I did that the first time. LOL! I also, made sure the key was on 'Run' - all the way without turning on the car. I thought I did that, too. Anyway, it went to 100%.

I was asked why I went to a mechanic for the maintenance.
A) My mechanic is reasonable in rates/cost - everything done came to under $100.
B) I park in an underground garage and although I might get away with doing some maintenance down there - I have to go through a lot to make sure spills/fluid doesn't get all over the ground there - kind of a hassle - worse, the low light conditions are pretty bad.
C) I still don't have all the necessary tools - I posted about that previously - older posts.
D) I lack the $ - to invest in B) and C)
E) it's convenient.

 

[qman]

this 4 or 6 cyl?? Askin for a friend… he has some driblets…

Mine is the 4 cyl.

I too use the washers a few times. They keep on crushing.

 

[Accordable]

I'm taking my car in to do a Tranny drain and fill again - I am afraid if I waited too long in between service. I bought used bottles - so I was going to get it done and then bring the car back in (with brand new bottles from the dealer) in 3 weeks.
Is there reason to be concerned? I guess there's not much I can do now. I had the last one done months ago.
I guess I should have ordered a few crush washers. I think the mechanic uses a torgue wrench or I should just ask him to and then replace it next time?