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Ok, MY particular opinion is.... if I lease a car ever three years, I have to give it back, I don't "own" it after the lease is up, and I'm not going to have any iota of a return on my money. I financed because, I gain ownership in the vehicle, I can at least sell it for something one day, or I can give it to my son. :D

I'd like to read different opinions though, very curious.:)
 
Lease - Good if you own business so you can right off interest. Also a way to drive more expensive cars for less monthly payments.

Purchase - Better bang for your buck but lacks the advantages of lease for above situations.

I always prefer purchasing over leasing since I like to own my $hiT! :D
 
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Lease - Good if you own business so you can right off interest. Also a way to drive more expensive cars for less monthly payments.

Purchase - Better bang for your buck but lacks the advantages of lease for above situations.

I always prefer purchasing over leasing since I like to own my $hiT! :D
I know what you mean, good points about the lease advantages "IF" one owns a business.
 
i would much rather buy. leasing is just paying for the privledge to drive someone else's car. plus you get mileage restrictions which kind of suck.
 
"Buying vs. Leasing" all depends on the individuals needs/requirements/preferences/objectives/etc'. There's always a rhyme to the reason, or madness! :D

I haven't had the need yet in life to lease. If the situation presented itself in the future, of-course I'd consider it!

Here's an interesting example...

My friend is considering a brand-new Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster lease for $1700/month w/ $3.5k down (36month total: ~$61k). So, after 3yrs lease, he'd be $61k less in the pocketbook, but no more responsibility/liability.

If he bought it, it'd be ~$135K + gas-guzzler tax (~$3k) + state sales tax (~$11k), totaling $149k out-of-his-pocket + 7.5% financing (~$11k), meaning he'd owe $160k. The 3yr residual value is $82.5k (even that is optimistic, sighhh). So $160k - $82.5 = $77.5k in money for him to own for 3yrs.

So, in this case, leasing saves $16.5k over the span of 3yrs vs. outright ownership.

(I believe leasing also includes scheduled maint'/service, not entirely sure).

If he plans to keep it for more than 3yrs, then the depreciation starts to taper off & the ownership numbers improve.

Make'th sense? :cool:
 
I just leased my first vehicle about 2 months ago, and am content with my decision. It was leased through our LLC. It was a terrific deal.

It was leased right before the current meltdown, and Nissan had just introduced it's first (and maybe only for a while) subvented lease on the 2009 Murano.

We have never leased a car before, and only financed one in all the years we've been married (18+ years)... and even then we only did it because Nissan offered basically free money (0.9%) for 36 months (on top of a $1500 rebate for the first and only time on the Pathy). This allowed us to leave the money in savings, have NMAC payed each month through auto bill-pay, but still have the cash there in case of an emergency. We actually paid it off early before we moved to our new house in 2006... just wanted to start off fresh again. We have never considered leasing before simply because we have always assumed we would keep the car longer than a lease term... even though that didn't always happen.

I plan on keeping the Murano through it's 39 month lease (obviously)... no longer. It will always be under warranty and all sched. maint. is included in my deal. I am too old and busy to have any interest in making the Murano "my own"... aka mods of any kind. My Murano has every feature available. I just drive it, fill it with gas, and enjoy the ride. I still will keep it as spotless as the cars we own just because we are very clean and organized people. It will be a great car for someone when I turn it in, for sure.

That's it for me!:)
 
"Buying vs. Leasing" all depends on the individuals needs/requirements/preferences/objectives/etc'. There's always a rhyme to the reason, or madness! :D

I haven't had the need yet in life to lease. If the situation presented itself in the future, of-course I'd consider it!

Here's an interesting example...

My friend is considering a brand-new Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster lease for $1700/month w/ $3.5k down (36month total: ~$61k). So, after 3yrs lease, he'd be $61k less in the pocketbook, but no more responsibility/liability.

If he bought it, it'd be ~$135K + gas-guzzler tax (~$3k) + state sales tax (~$11k), totaling $149k out-of-his-pocket + 7.5% financing (~$11k), meaning he'd owe $160k. The 3yr residual value is $82.5k (even that is optimistic, sighhh). So $160k - $82.5 = $77.5k in money for him to own for 3yrs.

So, in this case, leasing saves $16.5k over the span of 3yrs vs. outright ownership.

(I believe leasing also includes scheduled maint'/service, not entirely sure).

If he plans to keep it for more than 3yrs, then the depreciation starts to taper off & the ownership numbers improve.

Make'th sense? :cool:
MOST high end premium cars are leased, probably 75% or so.........:yes:
 
I just leased my first vehicle about 2 months ago, and am content with my decision. It was leased through our LLC. It was a terrific deal.

It was leased right before the current meltdown, and Nissan had just introduced it's first (and maybe only for a while) subvented lease on the 2009 Murano.

We have never leased a car before, and only financed one in all the years we've been married (18+ years)... and even then we only did it because Nissan offered basically free money (0.9%) for 36 months (on top of a $1500 rebate for the first and only time on the Pathy). This allowed us to leave the money in savings, have NMAC payed each month through auto bill-pay, but still have the cash there in case of an emergency. We actually paid it off early before we moved to our new house in 2006... just wanted to start off fresh again. We have never considered leasing before simply because we have always assumed we would keep the car longer than a lease term... even though that didn't always happen.

I plan on keeping the Murano through it's 39 month lease (obviously)... no longer. It will always be under warranty and all sched. maint. is included in my deal. I am too old and busy to have any interest in making the Murano "my own"... aka mods of any kind. My Murano has every feature available. I just drive it, fill it with gas, and enjoy the ride. I still will keep it as spotless as the cars we own just because we are very clean and organized people. It will be a great car for someone when I turn it in, for sure.

That's it for me!:)
Even if it wasn't such a good deal, you bought it through your business, and the writeoffs are good for business use vehicles........:thmsup:
 
FWIW, my friend in MA just leased a new '08 EX-L Pilot back in Jan/Feb for the interest rate of 0.72% (Money Factor of .0003) w/ zero-down for an out-the-door monthly-payment of $439 for 12k miles per year, blah-bla-bah. . .

He's one of the sharpest/stingiest guys I know in terms of deals/etc', so I'm sure there's some reasoning/rationale` to this actions. . .

(perhaps the post-lease residual value will be 'bunk, making it favorable for re-acquisition?)

bluestars80 said:
MOST high end premium cars are leased, probably 75% or so.........
And then there's people like me who wait till those very vehicles (premium/luxury-cars & high-end sports-cars) bottom-out in terms of initial depreciation & let the original owners take the hit on the uber-pricey high-end spec'd model w/ the additional tasty options/accessories... :D

(waiting for the MB CLS or Acura '09 RL 'tech' to drop like their 'hot! :naughty:)
 
FWIW, my friend in MA just leased a new '08 EX-L Pilot back in Jan/Feb for the interest rate of 0.72% (Money Factor of .0003) w/ zero-down for an out-the-door monthly-payment of $439 for 12k miles per year, blah-bla-bah. . .

He's one of the sharpest/stingiest guys I know in terms of deals/etc', so I'm sure there's some reasoning/rationale` to this actions. . .

(perhaps the post-lease residual value will be 'bunk, making it favorable for re-acquisition?)
Maybe, do you know the residual pecentage number? I remember my last least, a 2003 Buick Rendevous. I got a 1% money factor, a 50% residual, got security deposit and down payment waived, and applied a $3000 GM card rebate to the cap cost of invoice less dealer cash of $1500. My payment was $249 + tax for a loaded AWD Rendevous, 15,000 miles a year. Friends of mine thought I was lying.........:lmao:

Unfortunately, the bottom dropped off of their resale value, so I didn't buy it out, because overpaying for my own trade seems foolish.......:yes:

And then there's people like me who wait till those very vehicles (premium/luxury-cars & high-end sports-cars) bottom-out in terms of initial depreciation & let the original owners take the hit on the uber-pricey high-end spec'd model w/ the additional tasty options/accessories... :D

(waiting for the MB CLS or Acura '09 RL 'tech' to drop like their 'hot! :naughty:)[/QUOTE]
 
^ on new-car leases, why is the MSRP value negotiated/discounted (you mentioned your GM rebate, the dealer cash-incentive, and other applicable discounts from the list-price, etc')?

Isn't the monthly lease-payment what matters (what they've advertised, ie. $299/month, $399/month, $1699/month, etc')?

I'm totally new to the finesse's of negotiating leases, I just know of the tax-benefits in certain scenarios. . .
 
^ on new-car leases, why is the MSRP value negotiated/discounted (you mentioned your GM rebate, the dealer cash-incentive, and other applicable discounts from the list-price, etc')?

Isn't the monthly lease-payment what matters (what they've advertised, ie. $299/month, $399/month, $1699/month, etc')?

I'm totally new to the finesse's of negotiating leases, I just know of the tax-benefits in certain scenarios. . .
The ads you see on TV are for most but not all cars are "loss leaders". You get the base model of something for a low lease payment. Of course, most folks want more goodies, so the price escalates quickly. Typically dealers will "ballpark" you at $15 per $500 of higher MSRP, or $30 per $1000 of higher MSRP car. That ia a good-sized bump.

Dealers will close on payment on a lease, and then work the terms to fit. When I used to be an F&I manager eons ago, we would "desk" a lease deal at $3000 over MSRP for 30 months, and work from there. Then, you can back into the lease with rate reductions, longer term, or money down.

Pretty much ALL leases can be negotiated, although it's harder on the low price loss leaders because all th gross for the dealer is gone.........:yes:

About 60% of all folks I know leased NEVER negotiated, they were pure payment buyers. One Jeep dealer in town used to push 60 month leases, and they made a killing on them........:paranoid:
 
Ahhh'... I see, I see! So the $399 TL lease or some-other somewhat attractive lease advertised ($XXX/month w/ $X,XXX down for 36months / 12k miles) are for specific models in-stock. Gotcha.

Some peoples want their sports & winter-package, premium-sound, active/adaptive cruise-control, parking-assist, and so forth... lol!

So, if the '08 TL 'base' has MSRP of $35k, and lease is $399/month (36months) + $3,500 down. What can actually be negotiated? I'm just curious! Busting-heads over the MSRP can lower the lease-payment (ie. if the discounted/negotiated price is $27.5k)? I know down-payments can be negotiated/discounted.
 
Leasing is not going to be around for much longer IMO so if it fits your lifestyle and you don't mind essentially tossing $ into something you will never own, go for it! There are some definite pros to leasing but some definite cons also, and for many people, the cons will outweigh the pros at the end of the day (whether they choose to acknowledge that may be another story, though).

Like others have said it all depends on your lifestyle and what you are looking for in a vehicle.
 
We always buy our cars since we keep them for a long time. Actually, our 02 sedan and 06 sedan were both two year old lease returns when we bought them. I'm thinking that this is a pretty good way to buy cars.
 
Ahhh'... I see, I see! So the $399 TL lease or some-other somewhat attractive lease advertised ($XXX/month w/ $X,XXX down for 36months / 12k miles) are for specific models in-stock. Gotcha.

Some peoples want their sports & winter-package, premium-sound, active/adaptive cruise-control, parking-assist, and so forth... lol!

So, if the '08 TL 'base' has MSRP of $35k, and lease is $399/month (36months) + $3,500 down. What can actually be negotiated? I'm just curious! Busting-heads over the MSRP can lower the lease-payment (ie. if the discounted/negotiated price is $27.5k)? I know down-payments can be negotiated/discounted.
You can negotiate any lease, the ones that are manufacturer's specials have no gross left in them for the dealers, so you won't have much luck. If you find the car you really want, the dealer will try to make up the "loss leader" gross by sticking you with a MUCH higher lease payment.

A simple way to get their attention is to say: "If I can get the car I want for those same terms, I'll buy it. Then the negotiation begins. Stick to your guns on term, the EASIEST way for the dealer to make a lot of money is to extend the term 6 months to a year........:yes:
 
I'm leasing my car, I have 5 months left. I dont feel its a bad deal at all. I got 2.19 money factor, every month my buyout is lower. Feels like financing to me, with financing you dont own the car either until the last payment. I have a buyout of 16,xxx dollars next March, going to buy it out.
 
personally, the only benefit of leasing is that you get a spiffy, brand new car every 2 or 3 years. if you have some money to burn, it makes sense because you are forced to lease a new car (which you want) every 3 years, and don't have to deal with trading your old car in.
 
I personally like to buy rather then lease even though its not advantages to how I go through cars. Sense November 05' This is my 3rd car each time I was upside down on my previous car because zero down and the APR of 4.9 % and less I was able to secure. So leasing would be better however I have a hard time buying a lease as its an expensive car rental w/ strict and expensive limits ie: Mileage why have it if you cant drive it? I will not buy a used car as I don't know how the prior owner treated it as I can only think of how I drive my cars the term" Drive it like you stole it comes to mind." But all and all I doubt I will change my opinion of Lease Vs. Buying even if I loose my @$$ call me crazy......
 
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